InTheWASide Posted December 23, 2013 #1 Share Posted December 23, 2013 What does this mean for the Aquaspa? Good? Bad? No difference? http://www.seatrade-insider.com/news/news-headlines/steiner-shares-tumble-15-on-loss-of-celebrity-spa-concession.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted December 23, 2013 #2 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Interesting. Wonder if RCI will follow? Big blow to Steiners. As far as this being good or bad will depend on the company replacing Steiners. Edited December 23, 2013 by cruisingator2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted December 23, 2013 #3 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Wow! I hope they pick someone great. I'd love Canyon Ranch, but I wouldn't put a bet down on it happening. I think it will be a positive and hopefully whoever it is will not have the hard sell tactics that Steiner had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mferranti Posted December 23, 2013 #4 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Will this "divorce" last as long as the one with Park West did? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALKER1313 Posted December 24, 2013 #5 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Money talks. Be right back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ghstudio Posted December 24, 2013 #6 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) The only reason for this divorce is that Steiner was not generating enough profit for celebrity.. and celebrity wants more $'s for that large space. I would expect higher prices, perhaps some new priced options and more pressure behind sales pitches. It's all about the $s. Edited December 24, 2013 by ghstudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwcruisers Posted December 24, 2013 #7 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Wow! I hope they pick someone great. I'd love Canyon Ranch, but I wouldn't put a bet down on it happening. I think it will be a positive and hopefully whoever it is will not have the hard sell tactics that Steiner had. Canyon Ranch would get my vote, too! I went to their spa in the Venetian (Las Vegas), the year they opened -- fabulous! :cool: Although the spa products can be pricey, you just don't encounter that "hard sales / snake oil pitch" (that Steiner is infamous for) anywhere in Vegas. I think any spa that tried it probably wouldn't be in business for long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted December 24, 2013 #8 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Canyon Ranch would get my vote, too! I went to their spa in the Venetian (Las Vegas), the year they opened -- fabulous! :cool:Although the spa products can be pricey, you just don't encounter that "hard sales / snake oil pitch" (that Steiner is infamous for) anywhere in Vegas. I think any spa that tried it probably wouldn't be in business for long! I go to Canyon Ranch in Tucson and it is fantastic. I think they have spas on a few cruise ships. I've had them suggest products, but never a hard sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USVI-4-me Posted December 24, 2013 #9 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) I wish I could remember the spa name at the Hyatt Regency Kauai (Lotus Spa?), now that was heaven, even in the bottles I brought home and re-ordered by 800# printed on the products. It wasn't Canyon Ranch like the Venetian, LVgs, or at Gaylords in Orlando, CR has high prices, cafes, well, an environment that goes with the name. At Steiner, I'd resist the hard-sell and go for the 20-20-20 packages. They'll probably make a comeback like the art auctions as they have a cruise ship network. -Marisa Edited December 24, 2013 by USVI-4-me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenniebnyc Posted December 24, 2013 #10 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Canyon Ranch, BLISS or Exhale would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Poodle Posted December 24, 2013 #11 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I will not miss them at all. I love to do Yoga. To be a certified Yoga teacher requires hours of study. These gym rats from Steiner know nothing of Yoga and I've seen them putting people into dangerous positions. Just calling it "elements of Yoga" is not, IMHO, sufficient to get away with teaching something they know little about. They teach a dangerous and error-filled course and then have the chutzpa to charge for it. Same for Pilates, but I think they get to read a book on it. Most of the spa people are good at their jobs (and better at trying to sell you stuff :D), but the gym rats would never be hired by any gym I'd belong to. On one cruise, a gym rat was watching me go through my personal Yoga routine. After I was done he came over and asked me questions on some of the positions. He seemed to be interested by the flow of one position to another which, he said, was something he never considered. He told me that Steiner gave him a pamphlet about Yoga when they hired him and that was his training. I have asked Celebrity to put certified Yoga and Pilates instructors on the ships. They've done it with Zumba. Off my soap box. Thanks for the opportunity to spout a little. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miched Posted December 24, 2013 #12 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Canyon Ranch would get my vote, too! I went to their spa in the Venetian (Las Vegas), the year they opened -- fabulous! :cool:Although the spa products can be pricey, you just don't encounter that "hard sales / snake oil pitch" (that Steiner is infamous for) anywhere in Vegas. I think any spa that tried it probably wouldn't be in business for long! Is the the same as the Bunny Ranch? 🎅🎄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted December 24, 2013 #13 Share Posted December 24, 2013 The only reason for this divorce is that Steiner was not generating enough profit for celebrity.. and celebrity wants more $'s for that large space. I would expect higher prices, perhaps some new priced options and more pressure behind sales pitches. It's all about the $s. I'm surprised they say it's only worth 24c/share of earnings. It's not like they were earning a lot of money out of it. Too many discounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheWASide Posted December 24, 2013 Author #14 Share Posted December 24, 2013 As far as this being good or bad will depend on the company replacing Steiners. So that raises the question... Besides Steiner and Canyon Ranch... are there other spa brands with a larger "at sea" presence? And even between those two, Canyon Ranch has a MUCH smaller footprint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellfree Bat Posted December 24, 2013 #15 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I will not miss them at all. I love to do Yoga. To be a certified Yoga teacher requires hours of study. These gym rats from Steiner know nothing of Yoga and I've seen them putting people into dangerous positions. Just calling it "elements of Yoga" is not, IMHO, sufficient to get away with teaching something they know little about. They teach a dangerous and error-filled course and then have the chutzpa to charge for it. Same for Pilates, but I think they get to read a book on it. Most of the spa people are good at their jobs (and better at trying to sell you stuff :D), but the gym rats would never be hired by any gym I'd belong to. On one cruise, a gym rat was watching me go through my personal Yoga routine. After I was done he came over and asked me questions on some of the positions. He seemed to be interested by the flow of one position to another which, he said, was something he never considered. He told me that Steiner gave him a pamphlet about Yoga when they hired him and that was his training. I have asked Celebrity to put certified Yoga and Pilates instructors on the ships. They've done it with Zumba. Off my soap box. Thanks for the opportunity to spout a little. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all.:D I feel the same way about the Cycle classes on board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecs ado rojo Posted December 24, 2013 #16 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I will not miss them at all. I love to do Yoga. To be a certified Yoga teacher requires hours of study. These gym rats from Steiner know nothing of Yoga and I've seen them putting people into dangerous positions. Just calling it "elements of Yoga" is not, IMHO, sufficient to get away with teaching something they know little about. They teach a dangerous and error-filled course and then have the chutzpa to charge for it. Same for Pilates, but I think they get to read a book on it. Most of the spa people are good at their jobs (and better at trying to sell you stuff :D), but the gym rats would never be hired by any gym I'd belong to. On one cruise, a gym rat was watching me go through my personal Yoga routine. After I was done he came over and asked me questions on some of the positions. He seemed to be interested by the flow of one position to another which, he said, was something he never considered. He told me that Steiner gave him a pamphlet about Yoga when they hired him and that was his training. I have asked Celebrity to put certified Yoga and Pilates instructors on the ships. They've done it with Zumba. Off my soap box. Thanks for the opportunity to spout a little. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all.:D I've been doing Pilates for years and was watching a 20 something gym rat on the ship rip off crunches and suggested a much slower approach, as he was only engaging the fast twitch muscles, and a form change for his oblique work. A couple days later he told me how sore his abs were from those slight changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxnAquarian Posted December 24, 2013 #17 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Canyon Ranch, BLISS or Exhale would be great! Yes!!!! BLISS would be a great fit for Celebrity. Especially since X seems to be following the W Hotel-style with it's Solstice Class ships. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozark74 Posted December 24, 2013 #18 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I go to Canyon Ranch in Tucson and it is fantastic. I think they have spas on a few cruise ships. I've had them suggest products, but never a hard sell them. Canyon Ranch is on Oceania Cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaireP Posted December 24, 2013 #19 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Canyon ranch on QM2 is lovely and they have the products in the rooms as well. Elemis would also get my vote, or Morton brown or the sanctuary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drarill Posted December 24, 2013 #20 Share Posted December 24, 2013 What does this mean for the Aquaspa? Good? Bad? No difference? http://www.seatrade-insider.com/news/news-headlines/steiner-shares-tumble-15-on-loss-of-celebrity-spa-concession.html Thanks for the link. Hope Celebrity gets a good company to replace Steiners. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare uktog Posted December 24, 2013 #21 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Sorry for the staff who will be impacted, but please boot them off Azamar as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deise17311 Posted December 24, 2013 #22 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Sorry for the staff who will be impacted, but please boot them off Azamar as well The staff on Quest was rude and aloof... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoBe2010 Posted December 24, 2013 #23 Share Posted December 24, 2013 It can only get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowshoeCat Posted December 24, 2013 #24 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) The article says the contract won't be renewed after the end of 2013. That's next week. Does anyone know how long the current contract is good through? It can't just end next week, can it, unless something else is already lined up? I'm just wondering if how/if this impacts January's cruises. Edited December 24, 2013 by SnowshoeCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet987 Posted December 24, 2013 #25 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I wonder too since boarding Jan 11th. :confused: As mentioned it makes sense to go with a company that already manages other cruise ship spas, knows the drill with staff contracts, etc. That would be Canyon Ranch, already on Queen Mary 2, Oceania Cruises, and Regent Seven Seas Cruises, and would be good news indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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