Hey Celebrity !!! Loud Music Does NOT Equal Younger Demographic

[dln929]

People like different levels of music. What is loud to you, is not necessarily considered loud by everyone. I have to disagree with you with regard to the type of music. Go back over many of the posts on the music and people say it was rap, metal, screeching ladies, techno, etc. that they don't like.

 

No, people are not stupid, it is just that we all have different tastes as far as how we like to listen to music. I for one, don't want to hear the conversations around me, I want to hear the music. I've never been to a venue on Celebrity where I thought the music is loud and, believe me, I've been to some really, really concerts and there is no comparision between them and Celebrity's music.

 

You'd be singing a different tune--no pun intended--had you been on the Reflection pool deck last week. Loud is fine but when loud is so loud that you can't hear the music, then it's not fine. Don't understand what I'm saying? Stand with your eyeballs an inch away from a painting. Can you see it? No, you can't, because you're too close to it. Back away and the painting comes into view. Music is the same. When it's too loud it becomes noise and noise is not music.

[rodan]

Who said people are stupid? I certainly never said that; I've only said that some prefer louder music than others, just as some prefer different genres of music.

 

I obviously enjoy the music at a louder volume than you do. What you consider overly loud music, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way. We all have different tastes - I guess Celebrity should do a fleetwide survey and see if the loudness and types of music are a problem or not.

 

Sorry NLH Arizona but you are in the minority and a tiny one at that. A cruise is not a place where people expect to have their eardrums blown out or at the very least not being able to carry on a normal conversation without screaming. If you were unhappy with the noise levels of Celebrity cruises from the past before this new insane policy was adapted then perhaps cruising is the wrong venue for you. Think of the word cruising-it implies relaxation and a slower pace to life's anxieties and problems. Loud music no matter what the music does not go along with the ambience that is expected of a cruise and I feel that most people would agree.

[fridaythe13th]

Dear Celebrity,

 

I really hope you're looking at the loud music issue. Celebrity is my favorite cruiseline and I'd like it to remain so.

 

Here are my thoughts from my recent Celebrity cruises:

 

Reflection. The live music or Zumba or any other activities in the atrium area spill over to other areas which should be quiet, such as the library. This is a design flaw, and probably not much can be done about it. But please think about this in designing future ships.

The Martini Bar surprisingly did not suffer from loud music. This leads me to believe that there is some local (ship) control going on.

 

The dining room. Most of us look forward to a lovely dinner in the dining room and the opportunity to converse with our tablemates. This is NOT enhanced by having music piped in. The music is loud, people have to shout to be heard over the music, and the noise level becomes unbearable. Please, please rethink this.

 

Century. The music in the Martini Bar was unbearable. Same comments on dinner--it was exceedingly difficult to converse with our dinner companions. We had lovely tablemates, and they all commented on this.

 

Love Rob Ondras. More please. We were thrilled to see him again after sailing with him on the Infinity last spring.

 

I think that could be and should be fixed. The atrium music, while horribly loud, carries up to the library which is supposed to be a quiet spot. CELEBRITY needs to enclose the library with soundproof glass, or anything for that matter, in order to alleviate the noise problem there. THANK YOU!

[wallie5446]

I think that could be and should be fixed. The atrium music, while horribly loud, carries up to the library which is supposed to be a quiet spot. CELEBRITY needs to enclose the library with soundproof glass, or anything for that matter, in order to alleviate the noise problem there. THANK YOU!

 

Let's think about this~~~~~~~~ OK, thinking done, think long, think wrong:D

Trying to remember past sailings, OK, now stop that:rolleyes: the Library has been empty most every time we walked by, but on the Reflection last Nov there seemed to always be people, all thru the day and evening, sitting, chatting, or just looking over the rail at all the activity going on, on the other decks. Where the Hideaway always was empty. We were on deck 9, so we walked past both areas many times each day.

So if the library was enclosed would it revert to the dust filled space it is on other Ships?

[JTSpitfire]

Does the current Miami-based decision (evidently) on music volume also apply to specialty restaurants? I seem to recall the music in those locations was present but not intrusive. I'm unlikely to book a romantic meal in Murano if we'll be blasted by bass-thumping techno "songs" or for that matter, any form of music that is excessively loud.

 

Just encountered similar issue at the very nice Fix restaurant at Bellagio in Vegas. Was a great spot a year ago, but this year the volume of music was overwhelming. Staff responded that it was a corporate decision. Sound familiar? Fix is now off our list as a dining spot, sadly.

[baldercash]

People what is required to resolve this issue is a few cruisers to be proactive on their next cruise.

 

If a few people taking near future cruises on Reflection or other S class ships would purchase a Decibel meter and they post the readings we would no longer be wondering if loud is subjective or real.

The meter can be purchased purchased from Amazon for as little as $18.00.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=decibel+meter&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=30910142781&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=20757442841002120694&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_4eczejzvt_e

 

If they encounter an unacceptable volume level ask for it to be lowered if refused document the date and time and who in the command chain refused to lower it.

If they posted this information on CC while on the ship I believe that would expedite a response by X head office.

 

If you are Elite start a petition on the ship. Survey Elite members at the nightly get together and at any CC gatherings to be sent to head office.

 

This will eliminate speculation on the volume being too loud as just an individuals opinion.

 

We encountered loud music in Blu on our most recent Millie cruise my wife and I did not notice but our friends pointed it out to us on a number of dinning occasions and we agreed it did not need to be as loud as it was. I thought they might be doing it as an attempt at white sound.

 

If X staff is monitoring these threads on volume which have been going on for awhile now the genie is out of the bag.

Will head office act before a CC cruiser does?

 

I will post this on the other thread as well.

Edited March 5, 2014 by baldercash

[NLH Arizona]

You'd be singing a different tune--no pun intended--had you been on the Reflection pool deck last week. Loud is fine but when loud is so loud that you can't hear the music, then it's not fine. Don't understand what I'm saying? Stand with your eyeballs an inch away from a painting. Can you see it? No, you can't, because you're too close to it. Back away and the painting comes into view. Music is the same. When it's too loud it becomes noise and noise is not music.

I don't think I would change my mind. I know what loud is and have never heard what I would call loud music on any ship I've been on.

[Ma Bell]

Who said people are stupid? I certainly never said that; I've only said that some prefer louder music than others, just as some prefer different genres of music.

 

I obviously enjoy the music at a louder volume than you do. What you consider overly loud music, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way. We all have different tastes - I guess Celebrity should do a fleetwide survey and see if the loudness and types of music are a problem or not.

 

My question to you is how many Celebrity cruises have you been on? The noise levels are not bad on every one but when you get one you know it. We all get that you consider yourself an expert and what you prefer, but doesn't it seem reasonable to you that if there is a large group of people on a certain sailing complaining that the music is too loud, it might have some validity.

 

Is it possible that music could ever be too loud for you?

[wallie5446]

Does the music volume also apply to specialty restaurants? I seem to recall the music in those locations was present but not intrusive. I'm unlikely to book a romantic meal in Murano y.

 

We had a very nice experience at Murano last Nov, and the Lawn Club grill. We easily had conversation with our table mates and friends at the table next to us.

[NLH Arizona]

Sorry NLH Arizona but you are in the minority and a tiny one at that. A cruise is not a place where people expect to have their eardrums blown out or at the very least not being able to carry on a normal conversation without screaming. If you were unhappy with the noise levels of Celebrity cruises from the past before this new insane policy was adapted then perhaps cruising is the wrong venue for you. Think of the word cruising-it implies relaxation and a slower pace to life's anxieties and problems. Loud music no matter what the music does not go along with the ambience that is expected of a cruise and I feel that most people would agree.

Show me where there is a survey of all Celebrity customers, not just the few on here that have a problem. If it were such a problem with the majority, don't you think Celebrity would have reacted? No, I don't think I'm in the minority. Perhaps, if you don't like the volume of music on Celebrity, cruising is the wrong venue for you. Many, many go on vacation to have fun, not sleep with their mouths open around the pool.

 

This music genre and volume is an easy fix for Celebrity. First I have to say, you couldn't have it all your way nor could I have it all my way - it is called compromise, something many on here don't want to do. Have different venues playing different music at different levels. Celebrity could then see what venues attract the largest crowds and the issue could be put to bed - majority rules. Otherwise, they could play a variety of music at a variety of different levels at different venues, so that if someone doesn't like the music or volume in one venue, they can go to another. I certainly don't want Celebrity to always play the kind of music I enjoy or at the level I enjoy listening to music because I think that would be selfish, but they also can't just do it for those that don't want to listen to music and I think that is the biggest problem....some don't want to listen to music, they want to talk and others want to listen to music. There needs to be some kind of compromise, but alast, I doubt some on here would ever want to compromise, as they only want it their way.

Edited March 5, 2014 by NLH Arizona

[JTSpitfire]

"Show me where there is a survey of all Celebrity customers, not just the few on here that have a problem. If it were such a problem with the majority, don't you think Celebrity would have reacted? No, I don't think I'm in the minority. "

 

It is apparent there are even fewer that support your position.....just sayin'.

Edited March 5, 2014 by JTSpitfire

[kitty9]

While some people have diminished hearing capabilities as they age, some individuals like myself have a very strong sense of hearing. Anything at a loud volume, music, a TV, etc. I find annoying and disruptive.

 

My sister is the same way. She has overly sensitive hearing and loud sounds, even music, is actually painful to her. We've had to leave shows on board because of the high volume.

[dodger1964]

this is interesting...especially the last line.

 

(5:45 a.m. EST) -- Sir Richard Branson has revealed he is planning to launch his own cruise line by 2019.

 

In an interview with Abu Dhabi-based newspaper, The National, Sir Richard said he would start the $1.7 billion project with two new-build ships, operating in the Caribbean and the Mediterranean initially. The line would be based in Miami.

 

The ships would be aimed at a younger market, offering more entertainment and leisure, according to a spokeswoman for the Virgin Group. "We believe we can supply the Virgin ‘touch' on cabins, leisure and dining facilities. Virgin is exploring a number of opportunities within the leisure sector including hotels and cruises. We believe both markets lend themselves to creating a new proposition based on Virgin's history of doing things differently," she added.

 

Branson told the newspaper: "When I was in my 20s I thought about a cruise ship for the under 20s, when I was 30 I thought about one for under 30s."

 

Branson uses an Abu Dhabi investment vehicle for its space project Virgin Galactic. He is believed to be looking to raise $1.7 billion in a mix of debt and equity for the venture and has hired a New York-based investment bank that specialises in media and leisure projects to help him search for partners.

 

Virgin's current involvement in the cruise industry extends to Virgin Holiday's Cruises, a cruise specialist travel agent.

 

Branson's move -- if it happens -- would be in keeping with his typical strategy of entering a market dominated by a handful of major players, whether it be aviation, energy, media or banking. The cruise industry is 80 per cent controlled by three lines -- Royal Caribbean, Carnival and Norwegian Cruise Line.

 

However, the last line which tried to shake up the sector was launched by another serial entrepreneur -- Stelios Haji-Iaonnou -- who launched easyCruise in 2005, aimed at a younger market. It was sold four years later after failing to attract a market.

[wallie5446]

People what is required to resolve this issue is a few cruisers to be proactive on their next cruise.

 

If a few people .

 

Again, I ask, what % of 2500+ would need to complain, for the Co you own or work for, need to complain for you to make wholesale changes? 10% ? You you alienate the other 90 %?

[NLH Arizona]

My question to you is how many Celebrity cruises have you been on? The noise levels are not bad on every one but when you get one you know it. We all get that you consider yourself an expert and what you prefer, but doesn't it seem reasonable to you that if there is a large group of people on a certain sailing complaining that the music is too loud, it might have some validity.

 

Is it possible that music could ever be too loud for you?

I've been on enough Celebrity cruises. I've sat and listened to the music during the Zumba class, where the lady next to me was so red in the face complaining about how loud it was, but funny think is, she wouldn't go somewhere else where she would be comfortble, she just kept complaining and complaining and complaining. BTW, I didn't have a problem with the music. Not an expert, just know what I like and what many others like as well, just as you know what you like and what many others like. I think if the majority of the customers complain about the loudness of the music, then I would think that there would be a point. But from what I've seen and heard on here and on the ships, it really doesn't seem like that large of a group, but that is just my observation.

 

Music can definitely be too loud to me; ever been to a Grand Funk Railroad concert....now that is loud. Well, I saw them in the late 60's at Winterland in San Francisco and came out with my ears ringing. So, yes music can be too loud for me.

 

My point is that everyone can't have it their way. Celebrity needs to find a balance so that everyone can enjoy their cruise. I like to listen to music, I don't want to have to strain to hear it or have to listen to the conversations around me when I listen to it. Some people want to talk and they are not interested in listening to music, I get that, but what they want shouldn't always supersede what others want. There needs to be a compromise. Are you willing to compromise?

[NLH Arizona]

"Show me where there is a survey of all Celebrity customers, not just the few on here that have a problem. If it were such a problem with the majority, don't you think Celebrity would have reacted? No, I don't think I'm in the minority. "

 

It is apparent there are even fewer that support your position.....just sayin'.

On here, but then you have to remember that there are only 1 or 2 percent of Celebrity customers on Cruise Critic. Celebrity would not be a very smart company if they changed anything for 1 or 2 percent of their customers. Just sayin'!

Edited March 5, 2014 by NLH Arizona

[kitty9]

Show me where there is a survey of all Celebrity customers, not just the few on here that have a problem. If it were such a problem with the majority, don't you think Celebrity would have reacted? No, I don't think I'm in the minority. Perhaps, if you don't like the volume of music on Celebrity, cruising is the wrong venue for you. Many, many go on vacation to have fun, not sleep with their mouths open around the pool.

 

What about overly loud music makes it more enjoyable? When you really crank it up, does distortion not come into effect? And you say you love loud music, and have attended many concerts. So, maybe you like it loud because you do have a hearing problem, especially at certain levels?

 

I also have to ask, do you really like super loud music where you are unable to speak normally to the people around you? Do you not agree that when the sound us so loud that you have the squealing of feedback, that the volume is too high?

 

Believe me, when I cruise I don't sit at the pool sleeping with my mouth open (and I find that comment to be disparaging) I am a social person, and I want to talk to those around me. But when music in any venue prevents conversation, especially when those venues are MEANT for social interaction, then the music IS too loud.

 

It's one thing to have loud music at a concert venue, but it's a different story when music is for background purposes.

[JTSpitfire]

Consumer surveys, political polling, Nielsen, Gallup, etc. don't survey everyone...they sample. I'm glad to hear that Celebrity is listening and will respond to what is clearly a consensus on this board/sample.

 

Oh, and yes, I'm willing to compromise. I'm glad you are too. Now we wait--the ball is in Celebrity's court.

[Algebralovr]

People what is required to resolve this issue is a few cruisers to be proactive on their next cruise.

 

If a few people taking near future cruises on Reflection or other S class ships would purchase a Decibel meter and they post the readings we would no longer be wondering if loud is subjective or real.

The meter can be purchased purchased from Amazon for as little as $18.00.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=decibel+meter&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=30910142781&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=20757442841002120694&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_4eczejzvt_e

 

If they encounter an unacceptable volume level ask for it to be lowered if refused document the date and time and who in the command chain refused to lower it.

If they posted this information on CC while on the ship I believe that would expedite a response by X head office.

 

If you are Elite start a petition on the ship. Survey Elite members at the nightly get together and at any CC gatherings to be sent to head office.

 

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The problem I see here is that just complaining on CC isn't enough. Also, how many of the people at the Elite gathering are as apt to complain about the type of music as the volume.

 

The decibel meter suggestion is a good one, though. If this is still an issue on my next couple of cruises, I'll use the decibel meter app on my phone, and if too loud, complain, then if nothing happens or it keeps creeping louder, email ContactMichael while on board. Next Feb, we'll be in PR and St Thomas, so I'll be able to use my cell phone to email for free.

[Ma Bell]

I've been on enough Celebrity cruises. I've sat and listened to the music during the Zumba class, where the lady next to me was so red in the face complaining about how loud it was, but funny think is, she wouldn't go somewhere else where she would be comfortble, she just kept complaining and complaining and complaining. BTW, I didn't have a problem with the music. Not an expert, just know what I like and what many others like as well, just as you know what you like and what many others like. I think if the majority of the customers complain about the loudness of the music, then I would think that there would be a point. But from what I've seen and heard on here and on the ships, it really doesn't seem like that large of a group, but that is just my observation.

 

Music can definitely be too loud to me; ever been to a Grand Funk Railroad concert....now that is loud. Well, I saw them in the late 60's at Winterland in San Francisco and came out with my ears ringing. So, yes music can be too loud for me.

 

My point is that everyone can't have it their way. Celebrity needs to find a balance so that everyone can enjoy their cruise. I like to listen to music, I don't want to have to strain to hear it or have to listen to the conversations around me when I listen to it. Some people want to talk and they are not interested in listening to music, I get that, but what they want shouldn't always supersede what others want. There needs to be a compromise. Are you willing to compromise?

 

Obviously, you just don't want to get it. We're not talking about having the music at a level where you have to strain to hear it or can hear everyone's conversations. We're talking about not being able to give the waiter an order unless he is right next to you or not being able to speak to the person right next to you. How sad it is be to be in the Martini Bar with everyone just staring into space while being bombarded with ear splitting music. If you want to be alone with the music, I'd suggest a player with a great set of ear buds.

[NLH Arizona]

What about overly loud music makes it more enjoyable? When you really crank it up, does distortion not come into effect? And you say you love loud music, and have attended many concerts. So, maybe you like it loud because you do have a hearing problem, especially at certain levels?

 

I also have to ask, do you really like super loud music where you are unable to speak normally to the people around you? Do you not agree that when the sound us so loud that you have the squealing of feedback, that the volume is too high?

 

Believe me, when I cruise I don't sit at the pool sleeping with my mouth open (and I find that comment to be disparaging) I am a social person, and I want to talk to those around me. But when music in any venue prevents conversation, especially when those venues are MEANT for social interaction, then the music IS too loud.

 

It's one thing to have loud music at a concert venue, but it's a different story when music is for background purposes.

See that is the difference, I don't think it is overly loud. You might, but I personally don't. With a good sound system, distortion is not a factor. Nope, just had my hearing check and I have no hearing loss at all....even after over thousands of concerts....thank God.

 

I've really never had a problem talking at a concert, restaurant or club. I hate feedback and feel that if that is happening, then they need to look at their soundboard or tech, it doesn't not necessarily mean that it is too loud, even soft music can have technical problems.

 

Sorry, you didn't like my comment about the pool, but believe me I would be one of those with my mouth open sleeping if they were only playing soft easy listening music that I couldn't hear and that is not how I want to spend my vacation. So, where do you think they can play music so people can have some fun. Don't you think the pool area is a place where people want to have fun and enjoy themselves or is everyone talking to their neighbors? What bars or lounges would you allow music at a party level, so people can listen to it and have fun? I say there should be a compromise, so that everyone can enjoy their vacation. What do you say?

[NLH Arizona]

Obviously, you just don't want to get it. We're not talking about having the music at a level where you have to strain to hear it or can hear everyone's conversations. We're talking about not being able to give the waiter an order unless he is right next to you or not being able to speak to the person right next to you. How sad it is be to be in the Martini Bar with everyone just staring into space while being bombarded with ear splitting music. If you want to be alone with the music, I'd suggest a player with a great set of ear buds.

You don't understand...since I don't feel that the volume is too loud, much lower would be straining to listen to the music. As it is now, you have to tune out people's conversations, because you can still hear them over the music. While you think it is sad for people to be in a bar being bombarded with ear splitting music, I see it as a venue where people an actually enjoy the music.

 

Quite a rude comment about the player and ear buds. I'm willing to compromise, are you?

 

Q

Edited March 5, 2014 by NLH Arizona

[wallie5446]

Big picture,

JC Penny made changes for 5% of their customer base! the 95% punished them brutally. Radio Shack made changes for 5% of their base! just announced they are closing 1100 stores, again, the 95% quit coming in larger numbers. Darden Restaurants made changes to Red Lobster and have been punished to the point they are thinking about selling the concept off.

The history of business proves out that if a business makes changes for the minority, the majority will punish them brutally. Sadly, We here on CC are a even smaller % of the minority.

Edited March 5, 2014 by wallie5446

[Ma Bell]

You don't understand...since I don't feel that the volume is too loud, much lower would be straining to listen to the music. As it is now, you have to tune out people's conversations, because you can still hear them over the music. While you think it is sad for people to be in a bar being bombarded with ear splitting music, I see it as a venue where people an actually enjoy the music.

 

Quite a rude comment about the player and ear buds. I'm willing to compromise, are you?

 

Q

 

Let's see. I have no problem with many different kinds of music, don't even mind if it's loud, I just don't want it obnoxiously loud. What more is there to compromise.

[NLH Arizona]

Let's see. I have no problem with many different kinds of music, don't even mind if it's loud, I just don't want it obnoxiously loud. What more is there to compromise.

People have to realize that there is a difference in what you might feel is obnoxiously loud and what others feel is obnoxiously loud. Don't you feel that there could be a compromise where everyone is happy, not just have it at the level that you feel is not obnoixously loud. How about different music types at different levels in the various venues? How about it be lower in the afternoon and louder at night? How about at the pool it be lower until 1pm and then louder after that? How about turning off the music in the MDR, so everyone could converse? There has to be a compromise other than you don't want it obnoxiously loud, when others might not feel the same way you do. Shouldn't everyone be able to enjoy their vacation, the way they want to enjoy it.

 

I was always taught that I couldn't always have it my way and if I wanted to have it my way some of the time, I would have to make concessions so the others could have it their way some time as well. On here, I almost always hear that it has to be someone's way or they will go somewhere else or the only right way is my way (not in anyway saying you have said or implied this). Boy, I sure wish everything in life was my way, but it is not and I have to live through what others like even if I don't like it, but then that is what I call getting along with others.