Can you still smoke in...........?

[penlee31]

Oooh, a word play argument! I like those.

 

 

I think "entitled" implies more that it is someone's right, which in turn implies that it can't be taken away easily. The word comes of course from the Middle Ages and refers to giving someone a title, which was essentially a claim on some land.

 

"Allowed" on the other hand to me suggest more of a "tolerance," as in "we'll allow that for now." This implies more of a favor or privilege that could easily be taken away.

 

So I would guess that smokers would prefer to use the word entitled, and non-smokers allowed.

 

 

LOL

 

Collins English Dictionary:

entitle (ɪnˈtaɪt ə l) — vb 1. to give (a person) the right to do or have something; qualify; allow

 

word play;

 

Entitlement can certainly be taken away also. if Royal Caribbean gives you a ticket which "entitles" you to enter the crown and anchor party but you misbehave or don't follow the rules they can take away your entitlement. never the less you are "entitled" to enter where others individuals are not. entitlement and rights are not the same. "rights" are lawful entitlement isn't necessarily. it can however mean you qualify or are allowed to do something not merely to be tolerated but in fact "Allowed" regardless of others presumption against.

Edited March 20, 2014 by penlee31

[Langley Cruisers]

Oooh, a word play argument! I like those....

 

Ooo, two doctors discussing semantics in a smoking thread! Well coat my bum with jelly and sit me on an ant hill, I think I've seen everything now! LOL (j/k)

 

:D :D :D

.

[itching2cruiseagain]

Fair enough. Name one place, other than your own property, where you are entitled to smoke.

 

Entitle - give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something.

"employees are normally entitled to severance pay"

synonyms: qualify, make eligible, authorize, allow, permit; More

 

If smoking is allowed somewhere then the smoker is entitled to smoke there. Seminole Casinos in Florida allow smoking in their casinos, ergo a smoker is entitled to smoke there.

Smoking is allowed on the streets, ergo a smoker is entitled to smoke on the streets.

Smoking is allowed in cars, ergo a smoker is entitled to smoke in his or her car.

Some restaurants allow smoking at outdoor tables, ergo a smoker is entitled to smoke at those outdoor tables.

[DrD]

Ooo, two doctors discussing semantics in a smoking thread! Well coat my bum with jelly and sit me on an ant hill, I think I've seen everything now! LOL (j/k)

 

:D :D :D

.

 

Yeah, gotta get my post count up.

[Ourusualbeach]

Ooo, two doctors discussing semantics in a smoking thread! Well coat my bum with jelly and sit me on an ant hill, I think I've seen everything now! LOL (j/k)

 

:D :D :D

.

 

Cloth please,

 

I need to wipe the sprayed coffee off the I Pad.:D

[DrD]

 

Just seems like a really stupid thing for the poster to start an argument about, and accuse the one who used it of using the wrong word. :rolleyes:

 

Sent from my Galaxy S4 via Tapatalk

 

Probably, unless said person was trying to play on the difference between a right vs. a privilege. Not a small point when it comes to smoking. Certainly could have been more clear about it and perhaps more pleasant.

[penlee31]

Ooo, two doctors discussing semantics in a smoking thread! Well coat my bum with jelly and sit me on an ant hill, I think I've seen everything now! LOL (j/k)

 

:D :D :D

.

 

 

Haha lol. it beats bun fights

[Two 2 Tango]

Any point in this, better getting back to the point of the thread

[cello56]

 

Smoking is allowed in cars, ergo a smoker is entitled to smoke in his or her car.

 

Not if you live in Ontario, Canada and have a child 16 or younger in the car with you! :)

 

http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/smoke-free/simv/default.asp

[NavarreCruiser]

Let me start by apologizing. I was offered a "free" cruise by Carnival and I accepted it. Afterall, who can't pass on a "free" 8-night Southern Caribbean cruise - regardless of cruise line?? That noted, I just posted the below on the Carnival forum:

Just returned from Carnival Freedom yesterday morning. Did an 8-night Southern Caribbean and it was wonderful except…………..yep, the smoking was abundant throughout. I really don’t know if it was even regulated - as it was rampant throughout the inside and outside of the ship. The Promenade smelled of cigar smoke (one of the lounges) and cigarette smoke from the casino. It was rather common to see folks smoking walking down the Promenade. Long story short, it was rather overwhelming to us but obviously not to all. To top it off, the folks next to us and below us were also smokers on their balconies.

Now, before all the smokers jump up and thump their chests and tell me what an awful person I am for voicing my opinion (not complaining), let me explain a couple of things. My parents were chain smokers my entire childhood – to the point that I was often asked by my teachers, “where are your cigarettes?” because I smelled so much of the smoke. I lost my Father to lung and brain cancer, both caused by his excessive smoking. Today, my Mother is nearly bedridden and on 24-hour oxygen due to severe COPD, a pacemaker, and extreme emphysema (again, all caused by her earlier days of smoking). I throw it out there not looking for sympathy or argument, but simply as a fact. My Father died and my Mother is dying all from the excessive smoking they did in their lives.

Now, I’m also not trying to take away your “right” to smoke. I retired as a United States Army officer. I certainly know about “rights” as I have fought for your freedom to “light one up” whenever and virtually wherever you want. I just simply ask that you respect my "rights" too.

Finishing my rather lengthy post, I will also add one more little tidbit. I was one of the fortunate ones to receive a “free” cabin for this cruise. It truly is difficult to pass up on a “free” cruise. However, I haven’t sailed with Carnival for nearly 6 years. I didn’t gamble a great deal in the past, and I certainly didn’t stand out in the crowd to get the “free” cabin. I was just fortunate I guess. Regardless of the “free” aspect of this cruise, I will choose to cruise with other cruise lines in the future – preferably those who are either smokeless or that actually regulate when and where you can smoke. Carnival just didn’t impress me this trip and I truly contribute that to the amount of smoke throughout the ship. And yes, that is my “right” to choose other cruise lines. I can only hope that those of you who do smoke will also do so respectfully of those of us who choose not to smoke – regardless of whether you are on a “free” cruise or one that you paid $5k to cruise.

I have 58 Carnival cruises and 26, soon to be 27, RCI cruises and I have never seen anyone walking the promenade while smoking a cigarette. But I have seen someone light up in the wrong side of the pool deck on a RCI ship.

One of the problems with Carnival is that the casino is on the promenade deck.

[itching2cruiseagain]

Not if you live in Ontario, Canada and have a child 16 or younger in the car with you! :)

 

http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/smoke-free/simv/default.asp

 

You and I both live in Florida, so it doesn't really apply to either one of us :)

[tserface]

What he said...

 

 

If smoking is allowed somewhere then the smoker is entitled to smoke there.

[Langley Cruisers]

Any point in this, better getting back to the point of the thread

 

Nah, this thread derailed pages ago. :D

[cello56]

You and I both live in Florida, so it doesn't really apply to either one of us :)

 

I am from Ontario. :D

[gemsm]

I'm a musician who worked smoky bars and now suffer from lung problems. It is not the stench, but the chemicals which make some people truly sick. Times are changing, countries, states...the minority of smokers cannot freely foul the air. I have empathy for smokers and watched my father try to quit over and over. It is not a war on smokers, it's the reality check that tobacco smoke kills. When you cannot breathe, you have no freedom at all. Peace!

 

I don't disagree with your assessment but why ban e-cigarettes to the smoking area? Majority of people I know using e-cigarettes (including myself) no longer smoke cigarettes so why should we be subjected to tobacco smoke that kills when e-cigarette vapor harms noone

[LetsGetWet!]

I don't disagree with your assessment but why ban e-cigarettes to the smoking area? Majority of people I know using e-cigarettes (including myself) no longer smoke cigarettes so why should we be subjected to tobacco smoke that kills when e-cigarette vapor harms noone

I would agree that in all probability, e-cigarette vapor is - at a minimum - much less harmful than cigarette smoke. But its not factual at this point in time that it "harms no one." There are studies underway, but nothing definitive. Having pointed that out, I wouldn't object at all to e-cigarettes being allowed on balconies and in other outdoor locations. I'm somewhat ambivalent about whether they should be allowed without restriction in all (indoor) locations at this point.

[gemsm]

I would agree that in all probability, e-cigarette vapor is - at a minimum - much less harmful than cigarette smoke. But its not factual at this point in time that it "harms no one." There are studies underway, but nothing definitive. Having pointed that out, I wouldn't object at all to e-cigarettes being allowed on balconies and in other outdoor locations. I'm somewhat ambivalent about whether they should be allowed without restriction in all (indoor) locations at this point.

 

http://blog.casaa.org/2013/08/new-study-confirms-that-chemicals-in.html

 

A new study by drexel university confirms that chemicals in e-cigarettes pose minimal health risk

[ReneeFLL]

No smoking on the balconies of any of the staterooms?

 

Although the policy states no smoking on the balcony, has anyone experienced guest smoking out on the balcony? Just wondered?

 

Yes. I highly dislike cigarette smoke and the smell so I reported them. If someone wants to break the rules regarding the smoke then don't do it near me.

[LetsGetWet!]

http://blog.casaa.org/2013/08/new-study-confirms-that-chemicals-in.html

 

A new study by drexel university confirms that chemicals in e-cigarettes pose minimal health risk

Minimal isn't "none." And meanwhile, from the FDA:

E-cigarettes have not been fully studied so consumers currently don’t know:

 

• the potential risks of e-cigarettes when used as intended,
  

 

• how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, or
  
• if there are any benefits associated with using these products.

As I said, I think its inconclusive at present. Some studies indicate "minimal risk", some claim more of a risk, FDA says unknown quite yet.

[jstraw20]

Minimal isn't "none."

 

I don't think you'll ever find a report that says none since there is always a chance of an allergic reaction or an asthmatic attack in someone who is highly, highly sensitive. But when you get to that level it becomes a matter of where to sanely draw the line. There are people that are highly allergic to peanuts, even to the point of reacting to residue yet there is no drive to ban nuts "just in case". If that were the standard then the ships would end up looking like floating hospitals.

 

Time will tell.

[LetsGetWet!]

I don't think you'll ever find a report that says none since there is always a chance of an allergic reaction or an asthmatic attack in someone who is highly, highly sensitive. But when you get to that level it becomes a matter of where to sanely draw the line. There are people that are highly allergic to peanuts, even to the point of reacting to residue yet there is no drive to ban nuts "just in case". If that were the standard then the ships would end up looking like floating hospitals.

 

Time will tell.

Exactly - time will tell...

 

And again, I'm not a user but would be in favor of the cruise lines allowing e-cigarettes everywhere outdoors now, balconies included.

 

Sent from my Galaxy S4 via Tapatalk

[seaquester]

Boleros too. :)

 

Agreed. You couldn't even go to Starbucks without smelling it from Bolero's.

YUK.

[ReneeFLL]

Yup :D

+1

 

For those who don't like the smoking policies on a ship they are on, below is a link to smoking policies on the different cruise lines. Feel free to find one to your liking and jump ship.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=225

 

As for the person who said they would seek a smoke or vape in the elevator, all I have to say is SERIOUSLY? That is a major problem if you can't wait for 20 minutes to get somewhere where you are allowed to smoke.

 

To the person who made the comment about people getting to drunk and unruly, then report it to the staff. They are also acting against the rules.

 

For those who feel like they are being a snitch, no need to feel this way and don't let others make you feel this way either. Reporting something that is against the rules and it is bothering you is simply standing up for yourself.

[SunEyedGirl]

+1

 

 

 

As for the person who said they would seek a smoke or vape in the elevator, all I have to say is SERIOUSLY? That is a major problem if you can't wait for 20 minutes to get somewhere where you are allowed to smoke.

 

 

For those who feel like they are being a snitch, no need to feel this way and don't let others make you feel this way either. Reporting something that is against the rules and it is bothering you is simply standing up for yourself.

 

 

From a vaper's perspective:

 

Many of us are going to avoid the smoking areas altogether if we can. Think about it - we were addicted to cigarettes for years and we smelled like a wet ashtray the whole time. We're proud we were able to quit, and the last thing we want to do is go sit in a haze of smoke and listen to people cough.

 

I'm particularly sensitive to the smell, because it used to smell like relief. Now that part of my brain is satisfied, so cigarettes smell like something horrendously toxic is on fire. (Sorry, smokers. I ain't mad at ya.)

 

I realize I could avoid vaping on the ship altogether, because the rules are in place for a reason. And I will keep it minimal.

 

However - to address the snitching comment:

 

Snitching is the only way a careful vaper would be caught breaking the rules. It's about as smelly as briefly spraying hairspray or cologne, and the vapor dissipates in around 11 seconds (unlike cologne). Studies show most of the nicotine is absorbed by the vaper and is only in the exhaled vapor in minimal amounts. http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.ro/2013/12/anti-smoking-advocates-are-scaring.html

 

What the people around the vaper are breathing is a tiny amount of flavored propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin - ingredients commonly found in asthma inhalers and packaged foods. Many vapers make it a point to avoid blowing clouds around, because that *does* bother people. And we're not trying to get our nicotine all over you, for sure.

 

But if I take a quick vape of something honeysuckle-scented and hold it in my mouth until the steaminess is gone...you guys won't even notice. If you didn't watch me vape it, you'd walk by and be like, "Do I smell honeysuckle? Nevermind, it's gone now."

 

So if you see a vaper doing that *outside* and it bothers you, I find that difficult to understand. I probably extended my life by 20 years, and you're worried about a passing whiff of honeysuckle-nicotine. It's just odd. But because further study is needed on how harmful second-hand vapor is, and because I'm a mostly well-behaved lady, I'll do my best to make sure you aren't bothered enough to snitch. :-)

 

 

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Gopher1934]

Smokers need to take their blinders off. While smoke is certainly an offensive nuisance to non-smokers, that is not the primary reason cruise lines have banned smoking on balconies. The primary reason is fires. There have been a number of fires on cruise ships, and many of them have been traced back to discarded cigarettes. Fires at sea are not a laughing matter, and in my opinion smokers who violate the rule should be disembarked at the next port.

 

If banning smoking was because of fires onboard why do they not allow

vaping their is no fire at the end of it. I used to smoke for 47 years no longer smoke cigarette's but sometimes use the e cig no smell, no fire but is now being banned. My Doctor told me it was a great switch It's just like going outside in the cold weather and you see a vapor come from your mouth.