This Thread Is To Be Used For All Discussions About HAL's On Board Smoking Policies

[taxmantoo]

KNOWING that there Eurodam casino is off limits for smoking, why bring on angst by bringing on the non-update information from the web?

 

Most people fighting a losing battle are willing to reach for any straw to justify their point of view. :rolleyes: Everyone knows smoking in the Casino is on the way out. I don't think waving a little piece of paper with outdated rules in their face is going to make anyone on board change a rule implemented by Head Office.

Edited March 4, 2016 by taxmantoo

[Lizzie68]

Most people fighting a losing battle are willing to reach for any straw to justify their point of view. :rolleyes: Everyone knows smoking in the Casino is on the way out. I don't think waving a little piece of paper with outdated rules in their face is going to make anyone on board change a rule implemented by Head Office.

 

Exactly. It would appear that as updates are done, casino smoking is being phased out. Pieces of paper with outdated info is not going to sway on board rules.

[sail7seas]

I heard on news today that U.S. Airlines have banned e-cigarettes be brought on planes as safety measure due to some exploding/catching on fire.

 

I wonder if HAL will follow suit and ban them from being on their ships?

 

[SLOTheta]

If HAL is using their pro-smoking veranda and casino policy to entice passengers, do they really make any money? The costs the clean up and replace rooms that have been smoked in (you know the smoke floats into the cabins) and casino areas (carpets, chairs, wall paper, etc) must be more than the traffic smokers bring. Factor in all the people who stopped upgrading to verdandahs or even taking the cruise all together, HAL has got to be on the loosing side of this.

 

 

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[HamOp]

I heard on news today that U.S. Airlines have banned e-cigarettes be brought on planes as safety measure due to some exploding/catching on fire.

 

I wonder if HAL will follow suit and ban them from being on their ships?

 

This from Bloomberg Business may be what you are thinking of:

 

The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which regulates dangerous goods on aircraft, issued an interim rule forbidding passengers from carrying the devices in checked baggage or charging the devices on aircraft. The lithium batteries used in e-cigarettes have been linked to fires.

[cruz chic]

Exactly. It would appear that as updates are done, casino smoking is being phased out. Pieces of paper with outdated info is not going to sway on board rules.

 

What difference does taking the paper on board make to you? If it makes Hal update their website to reflect proper smoking information how is that a bad thing?

[IRL_Joanie]

According to that, smoking is allowed in the Eurodam casino. In reality, it is not. Yes, they have erred in not updating that information BUT you now know from those who have sailed since the drydock that there is NO SMOKING in the casino. They have put in new carpeting, furniture, wall coverings, etc. in the Gallery Lounge adjacent to the casino, as well as new carpeting throughout the area. They wisely have decided not to have it infused with cigarette smoke.

 

KNOWING that there Eurodam casino is off limits for smoking, why bring on angst by bringing on the non-update information from the web?

 

I will use the information as posted on my documents ONLY in the case of ALL outdoor areas of the ship being closed, which includes verandahs.

 

IF that happens I WILL use the printed info to Smoke while playing a slot machine in the Casino!! And ONLY in that instance, no other.

 

Joanie

[LMaxwell]

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I will use the information as posted on my documents ONLY in the case of ALL outdoor areas of the ship being closed, which includes verandahs.

 

IF that happens I WILL use the printed info to Smoke while playing a slot machine in the Casino!! And ONLY in that instance, no other.

 

Joanie

 

I think you'll be explaining your case to security. Why set yourself up for failure? You know the online documentation is outdated.

[taxmantoo]

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I think you'll be explaining your case to security. Why set yourself up for failure? You know the online documentation is outdated.

 

Exactly. It shouldn't be very hard for Security to track down the only person in the Casino with a cigarette in one hand and a little piece of paper in the other :D

[cruz chic]

Exactly. It shouldn't be very hard for Security to track down the only person in the Casino with a cigarette in one hand and a little piece of paper in the other :D

 

That's if Hal decides to grow a pair. It's easy to see after one cruise on Hal they don't like to offend anyone. One thing to keep in mind is that there has been no reports of smoking in the casino being banned on any ships other than the eurodam and Noordam so smoking is allowed at the present time on other ships. The way Hal moves on banning smoking it will be 2090 before the fleet is done and likely none of us will be around.

[Aquahound]

I'm taking this with me next month when we cruise again.

 

I will use the information as posted on my documents ONLY in the case of ALL outdoor areas of the ship being closed, which includes verandahs.

 

IF that happens I WILL use the printed info to Smoke while playing a slot machine in the Casino!! And ONLY in that instance, no other.

 

Why? You're cruising Nieuw Amsterdam next month. That's not 1 of the 2 ships that banned casino smoking.

 

But even if it was, you would really do that? Seriously? :confused:

[Blue Mudshark]

I will use the information as posted on my documents ONLY in the case of ALL outdoor areas of the ship being closed, which includes verandahs.

 

IF that happens I WILL use the printed info to Smoke while playing a slot machine in the Casino!! And ONLY in that instance, no other.

Even if your piece of paper doesn't say, "Holland America Line reserves the right at any time to modify the smoking policy onboard or alter the locations where smoking is permissible," ship's security will know about that wording in the rules.

[mightycruisequeen]

Could it be that they're abolishing smoking in the casinos on ships as they install new soft goods in those areas?

If that's the case, I really wish they'd install new soft goods on the passenger balconies next. :D

[cruz chic]

Could it be that they're abolishing smoking in the casinos on ships as they install new soft goods in those areas?

If that's the case, I really wish they'd install new soft goods on the passenger balconies next. :D

 

Never mind the casino, start of balconies first :D.

[Dusty Wren]

According to that, smoking is allowed in the Eurodam casino. In reality, it is not. Yes, they have erred in not updating that information BUT you now know from those who have sailed since the drydock that there is NO SMOKING in the casino. They have put in new carpeting, furniture, wall coverings, etc. in the Gallery Lounge adjacent to the casino, as well as new carpeting throughout the area. They wisely have decided not to have it infused with cigarette smoke.

 

KNOWING that there Eurodam casino is off limits for smoking, why bring on angst by bringing on the non-update information from the web?

 

All this "allowed" smoking is so stupid! Carnival Corp needs to get on the band wagon like on their ships & princess. No Smoking anywhere except outside small areas ONLY. NO Smoking on ANY Veranda. It's hazardous & very dangerous to others health & fire code. What if ashes blow in the wind & a fire starts, not to mention polluting the oceans with butts. NO CIGAR smoking should be allowed anywhere. What about people with asthma, allergies, sinus or migraine issues? Aren't we to respect each other anymore? Such an outdated & antiquated policy

[chrispb]

What difference does taking the paper on board make to you? If it makes Hal update their website to reflect proper smoking information how is that a bad thing?

 

 

Quite right, it's not a bad thing. It's unprofessional to have a website that is not kept updated.

[Lizzie68]

Even if your piece of paper doesn't say, "Holland America Line reserves the right at any time to modify the smoking policy onboard or alter the locations where smoking is permissible," ship's security will know about that wording in the rules.

 

As per my post in the "What to Bring to Prove you purchased....." thread, a piece of paper, even a confirmation email from HAL, means nothing once onboard. It took a week for them to get my issue sorted, so the poster likely wouldn't have much luck waving her piece of paper around.

[IRL_Joanie]

Why? You're cruising Nieuw Amsterdam next month. That's not 1 of the 2 ships that banned casino smoking.

 

But even if it was, you would really do that? Seriously? :confused:

 

Yes I would ONLY if ALL outdoor areas are closed.

 

If ALL outside areas of the ship are closed, been there, done that Zuiderdam 2011, That means there are no other smoking areas except the casino.

 

As long as HAL has it listed on my cruise documents (which is what I copied and pasted yesterday) then that tells me I AM ALLOWED to do so:)

 

Joanie

[CHOPPERTESTER]

That's if Hal decides to grow a pair. It's easy to see after one cruise on Hal they don't like to offend anyone. One thing to keep in mind is that there has been no reports of smoking in the casino being banned on any ships other than the eurodam and Noordam so smoking is allowed at the present time on other ships. The way Hal moves on banning smoking it will be 2090 before the fleet is done and likely none of us will be around.

 

Cruz Chic can you point me to the post reporting no smoking in the Noordam casino (other than elegant nights of course like all the other DAM ships)? Or am I mixing up my cruise lines about the elegant night smoking ban?

 

I thought Noordam was reported different because they have the indoor Oak Room for smoking and were recommending using it (not ban, not discourage) instead of the verandahs.

Edited March 4, 2016 by CHOPPERTESTER

[sail7seas]

Yes I would ONLY if ALL outdoor areas are closed.

 

If ALL outside areas of the ship are closed, been there, done that Zuiderdam 2011, That means there are no other smoking areas except the casino.

 

As long as HAL has it listed on my cruise documents (which is what I copied and pasted yesterday) then that tells me I AM ALLOWED to do so:)

 

Joanie

 

Let's hope the ship does not encounter such rough wind, rain, weather that the Captain has to order all doors closed. Better you don't have to argue about where you would be permitted to smoke and that all on the ship remain safe.

 

[cruz chic]

Cruz Chic can you point me to the post reporting no smoking in the Noordam casino (other than elegant nights of course like all the other DAM ships)? Or am I mixing up my cruise lines about the elegant night smoking ban?

 

I thought Noordam was reported different because they have the indoor Oak Room for smoking and were recommending using it (not ban, not discourage) instead of the verandahs.

 

I believe it was poster erewhon that posted it. I went back and looked at the posters posts for the last month and they have a lot of posts. It's seems to me it was posted a few months or more ago. I hope that poster happens by. I was on the Noordam in April 2015 and you could smoke at that time so it has to be after that date. It went into dry dock right after that so maybe that's when it changed. I don't recall non smoking nights being on gala nights but I may not have clued into it.

[Lizzie68]

Yes I would ONLY if ALL outdoor areas are closed.

 

If ALL outside areas of the ship are closed, been there, done that Zuiderdam 2011, That means there are no other smoking areas except the casino.

 

As long as HAL has it listed on my cruise documents (which is what I copied and pasted yesterday) then that tells me I AM ALLOWED to do so:)

 

Joanie

 

I wanna be there!:D I take it you have read the fine print that says that HAL reserves the right to change whatever they choose......

[kjw869]

I wanna be there!:D I take it you have read the fine print that says that HAL reserves the right to change whatever they choose......

 

Including more smoking in in other areas of the ship! ;)

[kjw869]

That's if Hal decides to grow a pair. It's easy to see after one cruise on Hal they don't like to offend anyone. One thing to keep in mind is that there has been no reports of smoking in the casino being banned on any ships other than the eurodam and Noordam so smoking is allowed at the present time on other ships. The way Hal moves on banning smoking it will be 2090 before the fleet is done and likely none of us will be around.

 

Cruz, when did they stop smoking in the casino on the Noordam. We were on it in May for a B2B and I had to find one of our traveling partners who was playing the slots with many other in the smoking section. We just got off an 11-day trip on the Zuiderdam, had a Pinnacle Suite and saw no one smoking on the balconies. In fact, on the full eleven days we only saw our neighbors twice and one couple of below us. Never smelled and smoke nor heard one peep the entire cruise.

 

I never went into the casino as I'm not foolish enough to gamble, so I have no idea if pupping away was off limits.

 

Only time I saw smoking is when we were gifted the Behind the Scenes tour and the crew was smoking in their games, TVs and refreshment areas. Many of the crew left the ship on ports and the first thing they did was light fire that bear up! :D

[CHOPPERTESTER]

I believe it was poster erewhon that posted it. I went back and looked at the posters posts for the last month and they have a lot of posts. It's seems to me it was posted a few months or more ago. I hope that poster happens by. I was on the Noordam in April 2015 and you could smoke at that time so it has to be after that date. It went into dry dock right after that so maybe that's when it changed. I don't recall non smoking nights being on gala nights but I may not have clued into it.

 

 

Cruz Chic I found it!

 

You brought up the Noordam in post 2551 (12 Oct 2015) that someone had reported no smoking in the casino. Then in post 2554 you said you found the original post at Post 2483 (30 Sep 2015) by tyler919 on a cruise leaving from Vancouver. Noordam moved to Australia in Oct 2015 where none of the cruise lines have smoking in the Casino anymore so there would be no smoking in the Casino down under. It has been down under ever since. Maybe when the left Vancouver for the TPAC they were getting ready for the inside smoking ban in Australia. Maybe that's why the Oak Room with its renovation meets Aussie regs.