DaveFr Posted November 22, 2014 #1 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I boarded Mariner in Los Angeles and obtained the Complimentary Wine List. No NZ Sauvignon Blanc but a number of decent wines. Although the list is shown by restaurant, you can ask for any wine in any restaurant. Here's the list: Compass Rose White Pinot Grigio - USA - Trinity Oaks Trebiano, Malvasia - ITALY - Frascati Candida Sauvignon Blanc - CHILE - Tributo Caliterra Macabeo/Chardonnay - SPAIN - Bodegas Castaño Alicante Chardonnay - AUSTRALIA - Jackaroo Grechetto/Procanico/Verdello Canaoilo Bianco - ITALY - Ruffino Orvietto Classico Insolia - ITALY - Insolia Corvo Chardonnay - CANADA - Pelee Island Compass Rose Rosé Granache, Syrah - FRANCE - Chateau Minuty Compass Rose Red Cabernet Sauvignon - CHILE - Santa Gloria Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - Hess Select Merlot - USA - Passo Creek Pinot Noir - USA - Backhouse Zinfandel - USA - Cline Ancient Vines Shiraz - AUSTRALIA - Weighbridge by Peter Lehmann Syrah, Grenache & Carignan - FRANCE - M. Chapoutier Bila-Haut Malbec/Syrah - CHILE - Etnico L.E. Reserve Nero D'Avola - ITALY - Nero D'Avola Corvo Malbec - ARGENTINA - Reto Cabernet Sauvignon - ARGENTINA - Reto Mariner/Voyager Signatures Chardonnay - FRANCE - Macon-Lugny Saint Pierre Sauvignon Blanc - FRANCE - Sancere Le Grand Buis Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Petit Verdot - FRANCE - Chateau Haut-Bourcier CV Bordeaux Grenache, Syrah, Mourvedre - FRANCE - Chateauneuf de Pape Les Grama Chais de France La Veranda Pinot Grigio - ITALY - Santa Margherita Cortese di Gavi - ITALY - Principessa Gavia Gavi Sangiovese - ITALY - Placido Chianti Corvina, Molinara, Rondinela - ITALY - Valpolicella Classico Superiore Prime 7 Chardonnay - USA - Hogue Genesis Sauvignon Blanc - USA - Rodney Strong Meritage - USA - Robert Mondavi Private Selection Champagne & Sparkling HP Champagne - FRANCE - Montaudon In Suite Champagne - FRANCE - Jacquart Brut Mosaique HP Sparkling - FRANCE - Phillipe Dublanc Sparkling Setti Mari - ITALY - Prosecco Val Doca Other Wines Alcohol free White Wine - USA - Ariel Chardonnay Alcohol free Red Wine - USA - Ariel Cabernet Sauvignon Riesling - GERMANY - Piesporter Riesling Deinhaed Riesling - AUSTRALIA - Grand Barossa Tanunda Chardonnay - USA - La Terre White Zinfandel - USA - Woodbridge White Zinfandel Muscatel - CHILE - Santa Gloria Late Harvest Merlot - FRANCE - Côté Soleil IGP Merlot - USA - Murphy-Goode Côte du Rhone - FRANCE - De Beauchene Marselan, Cab Franc, Petit Verdot, Merlot - ITALY - Eccomi Super Premium Red Wine Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - Paripaso Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - La Terre Carignane, Mourvedre, Syrah - FRANCE - Domaine Ligneres Aric Blend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted November 22, 2014 #2 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Thank you for taking the time to post the list. Really appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANDYAPPLE Posted November 22, 2014 #3 Share Posted November 22, 2014 We,ve tried a few and have settled in with th piesporter Riesling and the trinity Oakes Pinot. Keep both in our room fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomie1 Posted November 22, 2014 #4 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I am not a wine drinker so do not follow the offerings that closely. However, we have shared tables with people who really seem to know their stuff, including a gentlemen who is the owner of a very fine restaurant in the states. I heard a number of groans when it was mentioned that the complimentary wine for the evening was from Canada (note - I am only reporting my experience, I am not making any comments on the quality of the wine or the ability of Canada to produce wine). I can recall at least three instances on the previous segment when the wine was from Canada, each one a different selection so it surprises me to read the list and see only one Canadian wine listed. I did ask on the previous segment and their was no wine available from New Zealand, as it is again on this segment. gnomie :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuguley Posted November 23, 2014 #5 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The Backhouse pinot noir is one step above paint thinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted November 23, 2014 #6 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Wine is so subjective. We like the Hess Cabernet Sauvignon which ranges in price, depending upon the year, from $22/27 bottle. We also like Murphy-Goode Estate Merlot which can be found for as little as $12/bottle (depending upon the year). While we have not tried Trinity Oaks Pinot Noir, BevMo members can get it for $5.99/bottle ($8.99 for non-members). Backhouse has a suggested retail of $7.99/bottle. IMO, you are not going to find a wine connoisseur that approves of wines the included wine list. However, we find some perfectly drinkable wines on the list. We tend to like wines from California, Washington, France and South Africa. We find the less expensive wines from Australia, Italy and Chile not to our taste. There are many people who love wines from the specific countries that we do not care for. Fortunately, there are choices:) Edited November 23, 2014 by Travelcat2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjflowers Posted November 23, 2014 #7 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I boarded Mariner in Los Angeles and obtained the Complimentary Wine List. No NZ Sauvignon Blanc but a number of decent wines. Although the list is shown by restaurant, you can ask for any wine in any restaurant. Here's the list: Compass Rose White Pinot Grigio - USA - Trinity Oaks Trebiano, Malvasia - ITALY - Frascati Candida Sauvignon Blanc - CHILE - Tributo Caliterra Macabeo/Chardonnay - SPAIN - Bodegas Castaño Alicante Chardonnay - AUSTRALIA - Jackaroo Grechetto/Procanico/Verdello Canaoilo Bianco - ITALY - Ruffino Orvietto Classico Insolia - ITALY - Insolia Corvo Chardonnay - CANADA - Pelee Island Compass Rose Rosé Granache, Syrah - FRANCE - Chateau Minuty Compass Rose Red Cabernet Sauvignon - CHILE - Santa Gloria Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - Hess Select Merlot - USA - Passo Creek Pinot Noir - USA - Backhouse Zinfandel - USA - Cline Ancient Vines Shiraz - AUSTRALIA - Weighbridge by Peter Lehmann Syrah, Grenache & Carignan - FRANCE - M. Chapoutier Bila-Haut Malbec/Syrah - CHILE - Etnico L.E. Reserve Nero D'Avola - ITALY - Nero D'Avola Corvo Malbec - ARGENTINA - Reto Cabernet Sauvignon - ARGENTINA - Reto Mariner/Voyager Signatures Chardonnay - FRANCE - Macon-Lugny Saint Pierre Sauvignon Blanc - FRANCE - Sancere Le Grand Buis Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Petit Verdot - FRANCE - Chateau Haut-Bourcier CV Bordeaux Grenache, Syrah, Mourvedre - FRANCE - Chateauneuf de Pape Les Grama Chais de France La Veranda Pinot Grigio - ITALY - Santa Margherita Cortese di Gavi - ITALY - Principessa Gavia Gavi Sangiovese - ITALY - Placido Chianti Corvina, Molinara, Rondinela - ITALY - Valpolicella Classico Superiore Prime 7 Chardonnay - USA - Hogue Genesis Sauvignon Blanc - USA - Rodney Strong Meritage - USA - Robert Mondavi Private Selection Champagne & Sparkling HP Champagne - FRANCE - Montaudon In Suite Champagne - FRANCE - Jacquart Brut Mosaique HP Sparkling - FRANCE - Phillipe Dublanc Sparkling Setti Mari - ITALY - Prosecco Val Doca Other Wines Alcohol free White Wine - USA - Ariel Chardonnay Alcohol free Red Wine - USA - Ariel Cabernet Sauvignon Riesling - GERMANY - Piesporter Riesling Deinhaed Riesling - AUSTRALIA - Grand Barossa Tanunda Chardonnay - USA - La Terre White Zinfandel - USA - Woodbridge White Zinfandel Muscatel - CHILE - Santa Gloria Late Harvest Merlot - FRANCE - Côté Soleil IGP Merlot - USA - Murphy-Goode Côte du Rhone - FRANCE - De Beauchene Marselan, Cab Franc, Petit Verdot, Merlot - ITALY - Eccomi Super Premium Red Wine Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - Paripaso Cabernet Sauvignon - USA - La Terre Carignane, Mourvedre, Syrah - FRANCE - Domaine Ligneres Aric Blend Thanks Dave for the list. Not being a wine affectionate myself, lean more to the clear(Vodkas) and browns(Wiskeys) I usually pick from one side, whites or the other side, reds, or mix. I think that is Rose? Well, you get my drift. It reads like you are enjoying the cruise as we are:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatKat in Ca. Posted November 23, 2014 #8 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Wine is so subjective. We like the Hess Cabernet Sauvignon which ranges in price, depending upon the year, from $22/27 bottle. We also like Murphy-Goode Estate Merlot which can be found for as little as $12/bottle (depending upon the year). While we have not tried Trinity Oaks Pinot Noir, BevMo members can get it for $5.99/bottle ($8.99 for non-members). Backhouse has a suggested retail of $7.99/bottle. IMO, you are not going to find a wine connoisseur that approves of wines the included wine list Most of the wines on the list are barely drinkable to any one who knows wine. A luxury all inclusive cruise should pour better wines than retail for $6.00 on average retail in the US. After all the line is all inclusive and we are paying for them. There is obviously profit to that purchase at the expense of the passengers who find the cost cuts insulting to our intelligence. Edited November 23, 2014 by ChatKat in Ca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambagahle Posted November 23, 2014 #9 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I live in a wine-growing area, vineyards in full view from my windows, and I drink a fair amount of wine. Good wine at that. And this list doesn't shock me particularly! In fact I recently ordered the wines I want to have in our suite on our next cruise (Oceania) and I recognise a good many of them from the Oceania list. Not surprising, I suppose! There is wine - and wine. Here I expect to pay about USD50 for a decent bottle of Swiss Red. (And our local Pinots regularly win the international Pinot competitions in France much to the disgust of the French wine growers!) In the US menu prices for wine seem to be about the same. But we don't drink a $50+ wine every night and I would not expect to do so when travelling. (Might drink too much of it for starters!!) Also one man's wine is another man's poison!! I hate Sauvignon Blanc and won't drink it. Most people love it! Edited November 23, 2014 by Hambagahle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted November 23, 2014 #10 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Agree with you and also dislike Sauvignon Blanc -- on one Regent cruise it seemed to be the "white" of the day almost every day. Now passengers are asking for it. Go figure:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted November 23, 2014 #11 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I had the same Sauvignon blanc the whole week recently on Navigator. Same wine,different temperatures,different glasses and so different each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare macbest Posted November 23, 2014 #12 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Most of the wines on the list are barely drinkable to any one who knows wine. A luxury all inclusive cruise should pour better wines than retail for $6.00 on average retail in the US. After all the line is all inclusive and we are paying for them. There is obviously profit to that purchase at the expense of the passengers who find the cost cuts insulting to our intelligence. I would agree with above. $6 wines? The Pinot noir mentioned is rot gut. Really bad. Come on they should do better than that. I don't expect $50 to be the norm, but we are spending over $20,000 on an upcoming cruise (granted it is on the Voyager) and hope this isn't the norm. In the past we always found one or two we liked and had them dig those up wherever on the ship. I'm keeping an open mind that we will be successful again.... Edited November 23, 2014 by macbest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OctoberKat Posted November 23, 2014 #13 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I live in California yet in general eschew the state's eponymous wines. On the list cited, I'd wish for more French wines and more Italian reds. Delighted with that Sancere. Edited November 23, 2014 by OctoberKat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepFreeze63 Posted November 24, 2014 #14 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Just off the Voyager from Istanbul to Dubai. Our Complimentary Wine list was similar BUT NOT the same as your Mariner list. Our list had twenty whites and blushes and 18 reds. I like d to have the Santa Margarita Pinot Grigio ($24/bottle at discount in Va.) while wife often had Cellier du Rhone's Chateau Neuf du Pape ($20/bottle @ home). We often tasted the wine offered at the meal and decided then whether or not to try another. You're right; you can have any of the wines on the list at any of the venues any night. The "Connoisseur Wine List (in the info packet in your room) is very extensive and not all of those wines are expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjflowers Posted November 25, 2014 #15 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Does anybody really cruise any line for their wines. I hope not. I, for one cruise Regent for the itinerary, the service, and my opinion, the food. To let wine be a deciding factor is :confused: I understand that you may bring on board your own special choices if not happy with ships selections. Wouldn't that solve a lot of complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted November 25, 2014 #16 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Why don't Regent offer the wine list when you dine? If I hadn't been on this forum before we sailed,I would never have known there was a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flossie009 Posted November 25, 2014 #17 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Does anybody really cruise any line for their wines. I hope not. I, for one cruise Regent for the itinerary, the service, and my opinion, the food. To let wine be a deciding factor is :confused: I understand that you may bring on board your own special choices if not happy with ships selections. Wouldn't that solve a lot of complaints. We cruise with Regent for the 'all inclusive luxury experience'. :) The wine choice and service from the sommeliers is all part of that experience. Unfortunately there seems to have been some marked slippage in that area of the F&B Department's offering on recent voyages. :( We do not spend our money on an all inclusive luxury cruise line with the expectation of having to bring on board our own wine!! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatKat in Ca. Posted November 25, 2014 #18 Share Posted November 25, 2014 For me, I actually did my first wine education/tasting class on board on a Food and Wine theme cruise onboard the Mariner in 2003. Since then, I have learned what makes a wine to my liking and really - if you are paying thousands of dollars - you should not have to drink two buck chuck. Same with the excursions although that is not the topic so I will not repeat my rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliana Posted November 25, 2014 #19 Share Posted November 25, 2014 ChatKat is so right. You don't choose a particular cruise or cruise line for the wine, but on a cruise line that claims it is one of the luxury lines and includes complementary wines, one expects the wines to be good with a selection for different tastes. Sadly Regent is letting us down with some very inferior bottles and by not handing out the wine lists so that we can choose. We are treated as novices which most of us are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted November 25, 2014 #20 Share Posted November 25, 2014 From what I have seen and read, the included wines on luxury cruise lines are about the same caliber as Regent. Yes -- there have been comments on other boards as well. In terms of handing out a list of included wines, while it makes sense in a fine dining restaurant, it sounds like more than cruise ships could handle. Since math isn't my thing, I did a very simple calculation in my head. Assuming that CR seats 400 guests at a time (may be more), and each 4 guests have 1 bottle of wine during dinner (many of us have more than 1/4 bottle of wine with dinner and some do not drink wine), that would be 100 bottles of wine that need to be on hand for dinner service. The wines of the day are ready to pour and they have a good stock of them. When we order something different, many times the sommelier must go to the wine cellar and get the wine. Now, try to imagine handing every guest a list of 30-45 wines at dinner. Instead of the majority of guests ordering the wine of the day, it is possible they would need numerous bottles of each variety on hand. Service in CR is challenging when the dining room is full. I can't imagine how this would slow service down. When we sail on Silversea, there we are not given a "included" wine list. Perhaps this is done on other ships. In any event, the cost to sail on Regent is high enough and I would not like to see it go any higher due to wine costs. Most people have OBC's and can certainly use them for higher quality wines -- it isn't much different than having them included. Note: Just thought that it would probably be doable to list 3-4 red wines and 3-4 white wines on the menu instead of one. We would like that very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwain6 Posted November 25, 2014 #21 Share Posted November 25, 2014 As we are all onboard for a number of days, why couldn't Regent provide the included and premium drinks / wine list in the cabin? If you wanted a wine from a different restaurant, you could make a request ahead of time, which would help the Sommeliers with setting up of a sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunprince Posted November 26, 2014 #22 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I've had the French red "Bila-Haut", both at home ($14.95 in Toronto...likely much cheaper in the US). And on the Navigator. Although not expensive, there is nothing wrong with it. I also found the French Rose fine at lunch time. However, as I mentioned previously, if I had known the wine list on day 1, I would have avoided the Jackaroo Chard and had the French rose...if I had the included wine list available. Also, I did not know there was a Chateauneuf de Pape option, not sure if its a good one or not, but I would have liked to try it and decide rather than have to try and decline one of the cheaper " featured wines of the night". Also, it doesn't look like the wine list has changed that much since my Navigator cruise last Xmas...so I don't think there has been any recent cutbacks. They just might be "featuring" more of the less expensive wines rather than the better options on the list. Not sure about this but just my guess given some of the recent comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted November 26, 2014 #23 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I've had the French red "Bila-Haut", both at home ($14.95 in Toronto...likely much cheaper in the US). And on the Navigator. Although not expensive, there is nothing wrong with it. I also found the French Rose fine at lunch time. However, as I mentioned previously, if I had known the wine list on day 1, I would have avoided the Jackaroo Chard and had the French rose...if I had the included wine list available. Also, I did not know there was a Chateauneuf de Pape option, not sure if its a good one or not, but I would have liked to try it and decide rather than have to try and decline one of the cheaper " featured wines of the night". Also, it doesn't look like the wine list has changed that much since my Navigator cruise last Xmas...so I don't think there has been any recent cutbacks. They just might be "featuring" more of the less expensive wines rather than the better options on the list. Not sure about this but just my guess given some of the recent comments. Agree with you. Just wanted to mention that Chateauneuf de Pape is only offered in Signatures. It has been there for a few years (normally a featured option). I suppose it is possible to get it in CR or P7, but we have not seen it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted November 26, 2014 #24 Share Posted November 26, 2014 From what I have seen and read, the included wines on luxury cruise lines are about the same caliber as Regent. Yes -- there have been comments on other boards as well. In terms of handing out a list of included wines, while it makes sense in a fine dining restaurant, it sounds like more than cruise ships could handle. Since math isn't my thing, I did a very simple calculation in my head. Assuming that CR seats 400 guests at a time (may be more), and each 4 guests have 1 bottle of wine during dinner (many of us have more than 1/4 bottle of wine with dinner and some do not drink wine), that would be 100 bottles of wine that need to be on hand for dinner service. The wines of the day are ready to pour and they have a good stock of them. When we order something different, many times the sommelier must go to the wine cellar and get the wine. Now, try to imagine handing every guest a list of 30-45 wines at dinner. Instead of the majority of guests ordering the wine of the day, it is possible they would need numerous bottles of each variety on hand. Service in CR is challenging when the dining room is full. I can't imagine how this would slow service down. When we sail on Silversea, there we are not given a "included" wine list. Perhaps this is done on other ships. In any event, the cost to sail on Regent is high enough and I would not like to see it go any higher due to wine costs. Most people have OBC's and can certainly use them for higher quality wines -- it isn't much different than having them included. Note: Just thought that it would probably be doable to list 3-4 red wines and 3-4 white wines on the menu instead of one. We would like that very much. But isn't the list of included wines something that very passenger should know about. Isn't that a difference between Princess and Regent,say? It was just one of a list of things I find to be lacking in a 6 star luxury cruise line( and I can list the others on a different thread).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarin2go Posted November 26, 2014 #25 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Agree with you. Just wanted to mention that Chateauneuf de Pape is only offered in Signatures. It has been there for a few years (normally a featured option). I suppose it is possible to get it in CR or P7, but we have not seen it there. We have had the C de P in CR regularly but usually after a wait for a bottle to be fetched - at least the first time we ask there's a wait ;) Similarly with the Macon. We have also found an increased pressure to accept the 'featured wines' recently and these are not (to our tastes at least) the best on the list but usually the least expensive to buy retail. It's all about margins :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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