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I can attest to the changes in cruising since my first cruise was in 1968 on Grace Line.

 

Some people would not have done well cruising back then.

 

The ship had one tiny pool. No spa, no casino. No buffet. All meals were at the assigned dining tables.

 

All sea nights were formal, which meant long gowns, long white gloves and mink stoles for the women and a tux or white dinner jacket for men. Port nights required a coat and tie for dinner and women wore short cocktail dresses. Boy did we bring the luggage for a 14 night cruise. Of course the women wore their minks to board. LOL!

 

We overnighted in 4 of the ports. We went to San Juan, St. Thomas, Kingston, Port Au Prince, Caracas, Curacao and Aruba on our 14 night cruise out of NYC.

 

We could have guests come onboard in both NYC and the ports. The bars were open, even in port. I had friends sailing a similar itinerary on the Argentina and we arranged to meet in 3 of the ports. I toured their ship and they came onboard my ship and had drinks with me and then we all went ashore together to clubs recommended by crew members.

 

No drinking age. If parents said it was OK they told the Quartermaster and he took care of it with the bartenders.

 

Alcoholic beverages were 35 cents each.

 

The room stewards were all Chinese and spoke no English.

 

Luggage was taken away by the room steward and stored somewhere else for the duration of the cruise.

 

Santa Claus gave every person 18 and under a Christmas gift. I still use the leather passport case I received from Santa. Some Kids who lied about their age got found out on Christmas Eve when they got trucks or dolls from Santa instead of the passport cases.

 

You could order whatever you wanted for dinner, even if it wasn't on the menu. I had Prime Rib, Baked Potato and Petit Fours every night for 14 nights.

 

A full orchestra played every night at dinner from a balcony overlooking the dining room.

 

The ship held cocktail parties in the library every sea night - complimentary alcoholic beverages.

 

My Dad got into a heated discussion with his waitress over the development in Aruba. He had not been there in several years. She was right and served him squab for breakfast the next morning as a substitute for the crow she wanted him to eat.

 

Teens all ate at a separate dining table and went on tours together.

 

No security to pass through in NYC or any port

 

No cruise card, Sea Pass etc - just sign the chit and put down the room number..

When boarding in a port the crew at the gangway knew everyone by name. Just said Hi and you boarded.

 

We bought junk from people out in boats in Haiti. They threw rope wrapped around balls up to the promenade deck and you tied your end to the railing and sent it back. They tied on carvings and paintings and you pulled them up and inspected them and then negotiated. Got lots of Haitian art and carvings for just a couple packs of cigarettes. I still have them.

 

Our last port of call was San Juan. Customs and Immigration officials boarded the ship in San Juan and rode it back to NYC. The days before we docked everyone had to have their luggage packed by a certain time so that the officials could come to the cabin. They gave everyone an appointment time. They checks the passports, vaccination certificates and customs declarations and searched all the luggage. You had to show them all the stuff you bought and the receipts. They then searched the closets and drawers and once we were deemed cleared, they stamped our passports and we were free to go back to enjoying the cruise. They did this for every cabin on the ship. When we arrived back in NYC we did not have to clear customs and immigration again.

 

All guest cabins were outside. The crew slept in the inside cabins across the hall. If you were out in the hall at 2am, the steward would come out of his cabin to see if you needed something. I injured my foot on the beach in Aruba and went out in the hall to look at it and got locked out in my pajamas. I wasn't there a couple minutes before the steward rushed to unlock the door for me.

 

No room service!

 

 

Great story ! Thanks for sharing!

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Very interesting story but I can faithfully say Im glad I wasn't a cruiser then. In 68 im not even sure I was a thought yet :D. I was born late 69.

 

Overall I'm still happy with RC or they wouldn't be holding a deposit from me on a future cruise. Yeah I voiced my opinion and thoughts on my last cruise and not all of them were positive but I thought that's what this place was for. When it comes the time I'm no longer happy I will look elsewhere or at totally different vacation options. Simple as that. I hate to see the noticeable cutbacks in just the short time I've been cruising but it is what it is. I echo the sentiments of the OP that just said its still a great affordable vacation.

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I can attest to the changes in cruising since my first cruise was in 1968 on Grace Line.

 

Any idea of what that cruise would have cost back then?

 

I started cruising in 1993. While some service has gone down a bit, to say it's a disaster now is quite overblown. It still is a great, affordable vacation. Maybe I'm just too easy to please.

 

I hope to meet you on a cruise one day:)

 

We didn't start cruising until 2011 and just love it. When it no longer meets our needs we will do something else - we sure won't come on cc and moan ;)

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First time cruiser here. Since this board is talking about luggage tags I thought I could ask a question about luggage.

 

 

 

There will be 3 of us taking a 4 night RCCL on the Enchantment March 2016.

 

(2 adults 1 child)

 

 

 

I was thinking 3 carry-ons will be sufficient. Do we have to TAG carry-ons? I know when flying we are each permitted to take a carry-on. Are the rules different with cruises? I have no problem keeping luggage on us until our room is ready.

 

 

 

My thought right now is 2 rolling suit cases that meet the height and width requirements for flights and 1 rolling garment bag for dress pants, dress and suit jacket. Also one back pack with documents.

 

 

 

With airline requirements for liquids, each carry-on bag may contain a 1quart zip lock bag with 3.4 ounces of how ever many liquids will fit. Is this okay with cruise check in?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

I tend to err on the side of caution. In your case, I would print and attach the luggage tags. So maybe it is 99% that you walk aboard with your three pieces and don't need the tags. But maybe 1% you decide at the embarkation that you would rather turn your bags over and enjoy exploring your ship without the bimpity bumpity of the suitcases following you around. (Likely to be an hour or two after you board before you can get to your cabin.)

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I can attest to the changes in cruising since my first cruise was in 1968 on Grace Line.

 

Some people would not have done well cruising back then.

 

The ship had one tiny pool. No spa, no casino. No buffet. All meals were at the assigned dining tables.

 

All sea nights were formal, which meant long gowns, long white gloves and mink stoles for the women and a tux or white dinner jacket for men. Port nights required a coat and tie for dinner and women wore short cocktail dresses. Boy did we bring the luggage for a 14 night cruise. Of course the women wore their minks to board. LOL!

 

We overnighted in 4 of the ports. We went to San Juan, St. Thomas, Kingston, Port Au Prince, Caracas, Curacao and Aruba on our 14 night cruise out of NYC.

 

We could have guests come onboard in both NYC and the ports. The bars were open, even in port. I had friends sailing a similar itinerary on the Argentina and we arranged to meet in 3 of the ports. I toured their ship and they came onboard my ship and had drinks with me and then we all went ashore together to clubs recommended by crew members.

 

No drinking age. If parents said it was OK they told the Quartermaster and he took care of it with the bartenders.

 

Alcoholic beverages were 35 cents each.

 

The room stewards were all Chinese and spoke no English.

 

Luggage was taken away by the room steward and stored somewhere else for the duration of the cruise.

 

Santa Claus gave every person 18 and under a Christmas gift. I still use the leather passport case I received from Santa. Some Kids who lied about their age got found out on Christmas Eve when they got trucks or dolls from Santa instead of the passport cases.

 

You could order whatever you wanted for dinner, even if it wasn't on the menu. I had Prime Rib, Baked Potato and Petit Fours every night for 14 nights.

 

A full orchestra played every night at dinner from a balcony overlooking the dining room.

 

The ship held cocktail parties in the library every sea night - complimentary alcoholic beverages.

 

My Dad got into a heated discussion with his waitress over the development in Aruba. He had not been there in several years. She was right and served him squab for breakfast the next morning as a substitute for the crow she wanted him to eat.

 

Teens all ate at a separate dining table and went on tours together.

 

No security to pass through in NYC or any port

 

No cruise card, Sea Pass etc - just sign the chit and put down the room number..

When boarding in a port the crew at the gangway knew everyone by name. Just said Hi and you boarded.

 

We bought junk from people out in boats in Haiti. They threw rope wrapped around balls up to the promenade deck and you tied your end to the railing and sent it back. They tied on carvings and paintings and you pulled them up and inspected them and then negotiated. Got lots of Haitian art and carvings for just a couple packs of cigarettes. I still have them.

 

Our last port of call was San Juan. Customs and Immigration officials boarded the ship in San Juan and rode it back to NYC. The days before we docked everyone had to have their luggage packed by a certain time so that the officials could come to the cabin. They gave everyone an appointment time. They checks the passports, vaccination certificates and customs declarations and searched all the luggage. You had to show them all the stuff you bought and the receipts. They then searched the closets and drawers and once we were deemed cleared, they stamped our passports and we were free to go back to enjoying the cruise. They did this for every cabin on the ship. When we arrived back in NYC we did not have to clear customs and immigration again.

 

All guest cabins were outside. The crew slept in the inside cabins across the hall. If you were out in the hall at 2am, the steward would come out of his cabin to see if you needed something. I injured my foot on the beach in Aruba and went out in the hall to look at it and got locked out in my pajamas. I wasn't there a couple minutes before the steward rushed to unlock the door for me.

 

No room service!

 

 

Thanks for this! One of my early "cruises" was Grace Lines in 1958. NY to Arica Chile with numerous stops along the way. Life was different then.

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GottaKnowWhen, Thanks for the trip down memory lane, started cruising in 1986 and a lot of what you cited was still happing. What I miss most was at that time most all the decks were open to the sea.

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GottaKnowWhen, Thanks for the trip down memory lane, started cruising in 1986 and a lot of what you cited was still happing. What I miss most was at that time most all the decks were open to the sea.

 

Credit goes to DebJ14 - she was the one with the long post I was quoting...

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This has my curiosity up so I do have to ask what do you mean by that? :) This is a serious and honest question and I hope you dont think Im being rude for asking. :)

 

While I know how subjective the topic of food is, we found that the Windjammer was far superior to the MDR for all three daily meals on our last cruise. Believe me, i was shocked and thought i would NEVER say that! :eek: I honestly see myself utilizing the WJ more often. Im not a fan of these "new" MDR menus either. I realize they have been out a couple years now but they were new to us. :)

 

We have become huge Windjammer fans. It has been many cruises since we last used the MDR. This past cruise on Indy I thought the Windjammer had some of the best food we have had on a cruise. Many evenings I wished I had more of an appetite so that I could try more of the offerings.

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We have become huge Windjammer fans. It has been many cruises since we last used the MDR. This past cruise on Indy I thought the Windjammer had some of the best food we have had on a cruise. Many evenings I wished I had more of an appetite so that I could try more of the offerings.

 

Ive always loved the egg station and breakfast items in the WJ and thought they did a good job at lunch as well. This was the first cruise where I actually went to the WJ for dinner and man was I pleasantly surprised. My mother who is not much of a buffet fan at all enjoyed it as well. I will be doing that many more times in the future :) I may not even go to the MDR on Allure at all. I do understand that Allure has a smaller WJ though and its often hard to find a seat. We will make it work

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Ive always loved the egg station and breakfast items in the WJ and thought they did a good job at lunch as well. This was the first cruise where I actually went to the WJ for dinner and man was I pleasantly surprised. My mother who is not much of a buffet fan at all enjoyed it as well. I will be doing that many more times in the future :) I may not even go to the MDR on Allure at all. I do understand that Allure has a smaller WJ though and its often hard to find a seat. We will make it work

 

 

We have become huge Windjammer fans. It has been many cruises since we last used the MDR. This past cruise on Indy I thought the Windjammer had some of the best food we have had on a cruise. Many evenings I wished I had more of an appetite so that I could try more of the offerings.

 

 

We noticed a marked improvement in the Windjammer's lunch offerings on our most recent Oasis cruise. We were very pleasantly surprised! We had gotten into the habit of avoiding Windjammer on past cruises after it underwhelmed, but we will be reversing course in the future.

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I can attest to the changes in cruising since my first cruise was in 1968 on Grace Line.

 

Some people would not have done well cruising back then.

 

The ship had one tiny pool. No spa, no casino. No buffet. All meals were at the assigned dining tables.

 

All sea nights were formal, which meant long gowns, long white gloves and mink stoles for the women and a tux or white dinner jacket for men. Port nights required a coat and tie for dinner and women wore short cocktail dresses. Boy did we bring the luggage for a 14 night cruise. Of course the women wore their minks to board. LOL!

 

We overnighted in 4 of the ports. We went to San Juan, St. Thomas, Kingston, Port Au Prince, Caracas, Curacao and Aruba on our 14 night cruise out of NYC.

 

We could have guests come onboard in both NYC and the ports. The bars were open, even in port. I had friends sailing a similar itinerary on the Argentina and we arranged to meet in 3 of the ports. I toured their ship and they came onboard my ship and had drinks with me and then we all went ashore together to clubs recommended by crew members.

 

No drinking age. If parents said it was OK they told the Quartermaster and he took care of it with the bartenders.

 

Alcoholic beverages were 35 cents each.

 

The room stewards were all Chinese and spoke no English.

 

Luggage was taken away by the room steward and stored somewhere else for the duration of the cruise.

 

Santa Claus gave every person 18 and under a Christmas gift. I still use the leather passport case I received from Santa. Some Kids who lied about their age got found out on Christmas Eve when they got trucks or dolls from Santa instead of the passport cases.

 

You could order whatever you wanted for dinner, even if it wasn't on the menu. I had Prime Rib, Baked Potato and Petit Fours every night for 14 nights.

 

A full orchestra played every night at dinner from a balcony overlooking the dining room.

 

The ship held cocktail parties in the library every sea night - complimentary alcoholic beverages.

 

My Dad got into a heated discussion with his waitress over the development in Aruba. He had not been there in several years. She was right and served him squab for breakfast the next morning as a substitute for the crow she wanted him to eat.

 

Teens all ate at a separate dining table and went on tours together.

 

No security to pass through in NYC or any port

 

No cruise card, Sea Pass etc - just sign the chit and put down the room number..

When boarding in a port the crew at the gangway knew everyone by name. Just said Hi and you boarded.

 

We bought junk from people out in boats in Haiti. They threw rope wrapped around balls up to the promenade deck and you tied your end to the railing and sent it back. They tied on carvings and paintings and you pulled them up and inspected them and then negotiated. Got lots of Haitian art and carvings for just a couple packs of cigarettes. I still have them.

 

Our last port of call was San Juan. Customs and Immigration officials boarded the ship in San Juan and rode it back to NYC. The days before we docked everyone had to have their luggage packed by a certain time so that the officials could come to the cabin. They gave everyone an appointment time. They checks the passports, vaccination certificates and customs declarations and searched all the luggage. You had to show them all the stuff you bought and the receipts. They then searched the closets and drawers and once we were deemed cleared, they stamped our passports and we were free to go back to enjoying the cruise. They did this for every cabin on the ship. When we arrived back in NYC we did not have to clear customs and immigration again.

 

All guest cabins were outside. The crew slept in the inside cabins across the hall. If you were out in the hall at 2am, the steward would come out of his cabin to see if you needed something. I injured my foot on the beach in Aruba and went out in the hall to look at it and got locked out in my pajamas. I wasn't there a couple minutes before the steward rushed to unlock the door for me.

 

No room service!

 

You made me go look up some history- finding Grace Lines history http://cruiselinehistory.com/the-grace-line/

which was really interesting reading.

 

And followed little history of their ship, the Santa Rosa. Grace stopped passenger crusing in 1969, and the ship was not used from '71 to '92- when it was revived to become the Regent Rainbow for 4 years. Then Thomson picked it up to be the Emerald in 1996- and it kept cruising until 2009. When it was finally scrapped. The ship was in service for 50 years- although not continuously. Just about 1200 passengers for the Emerald. Since the Santa Paula lists 546 passnegers- I suspect that the Santa Rosa started life with that number, too.

 

Her sister, the Santa Paula became the Stell Polaris from '72-78, and then teh Kuwait Marroitt. Yes, a hotel. It was destroyed in bombing 1990, and was latter scrapped in 2002.

 

Fascinating.

 

Actually, it was interesting to watch the Posiden Adventure recenlty- to see passenger crusing in the '70s. Still waiting for find Love Boat repeats on TV (not looking on line).

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For my husband and myself the positives far outway any negatives on a cruise. The nickle and diming allows the cruise lines to keep the rates affordable. Many dining options to choose from. We, too, were pleasantly surprised one evening dining in the WJ. Quiet, mood music, dim lights, much more of an "intimate" experience than breakfast or lunch. We're going to rethink our MDR experience especially when we don't want to sit thru a 2+ hour dinner.

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I can attest to the changes in cruising since my first cruise was in 1968 on Grace Line.

 

Some people would not have done well cruising back then.

 

The ship had one tiny pool. No spa, no casino. No buffet. All meals were at the assigned dining tables.

 

All sea nights were formal, which meant long gowns, long white gloves and mink stoles for the women and a tux or white dinner jacket for men. Port nights required a coat and tie for dinner and women wore short cocktail dresses. Boy did we bring the luggage for a 14 night cruise. Of course the women wore their minks to board. LOL!

 

We overnighted in 4 of the ports. We went to San Juan, St. Thomas, Kingston, Port Au Prince, Caracas, Curacao and Aruba on our 14 night cruise out of NYC.

 

We could have guests come onboard in both NYC and the ports. The bars were open, even in port. I had friends sailing a similar itinerary on the Argentina and we arranged to meet in 3 of the ports. I toured their ship and they came onboard my ship and had drinks with me and then we all went ashore together to clubs recommended by crew members.

 

No drinking age. If parents said it was OK they told the Quartermaster and he took care of it with the bartenders.

 

Alcoholic beverages were 35 cents each.

 

The room stewards were all Chinese and spoke no English.

 

Luggage was taken away by the room steward and stored somewhere else for the duration of the cruise.

 

Santa Claus gave every person 18 and under a Christmas gift. I still use the leather passport case I received from Santa. Some Kids who lied about their age got found out on Christmas Eve when they got trucks or dolls from Santa instead of the passport cases.

 

You could order whatever you wanted for dinner, even if it wasn't on the menu. I had Prime Rib, Baked Potato and Petit Fours every night for 14 nights.

 

A full orchestra played every night at dinner from a balcony overlooking the dining room.

 

The ship held cocktail parties in the library every sea night - complimentary alcoholic beverages.

 

My Dad got into a heated discussion with his waitress over the development in Aruba. He had not been there in several years. She was right and served him squab for breakfast the next morning as a substitute for the crow she wanted him to eat.

 

Teens all ate at a separate dining table and went on tours together.

 

No security to pass through in NYC or any port

 

No cruise card, Sea Pass etc - just sign the chit and put down the room number..

When boarding in a port the crew at the gangway knew everyone by name. Just said Hi and you boarded.

 

We bought junk from people out in boats in Haiti. They threw rope wrapped around balls up to the promenade deck and you tied your end to the railing and sent it back. They tied on carvings and paintings and you pulled them up and inspected them and then negotiated. Got lots of Haitian art and carvings for just a couple packs of cigarettes. I still have them.

 

Our last port of call was San Juan. Customs and Immigration officials boarded the ship in San Juan and rode it back to NYC. The days before we docked everyone had to have their luggage packed by a certain time so that the officials could come to the cabin. They gave everyone an appointment time. They checks the passports, vaccination certificates and customs declarations and searched all the luggage. You had to show them all the stuff you bought and the receipts. They then searched the closets and drawers and once we were deemed cleared, they stamped our passports and we were free to go back to enjoying the cruise. They did this for every cabin on the ship. When we arrived back in NYC we did not have to clear customs and immigration again.

 

All guest cabins were outside. The crew slept in the inside cabins across the hall. If you were out in the hall at 2am, the steward would come out of his cabin to see if you needed something. I injured my foot on the beach in Aruba and went out in the hall to look at it and got locked out in my pajamas. I wasn't there a couple minutes before the steward rushed to unlock the door for me.

 

No room service!

 

Wow. Thanks for sharing...that must be the "golden age" of sailing that some of the more seasoned cruisers often refer to. Things have REALLY changed, huh?

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I started cruising in 1993. While some service has gone down a bit, to say it's a disaster now is quite overblown. It still is a great, affordable vacation. Most of my cruises have been RCCL, followed by Carnival, and one on NCL, but that was on the Norway, and those passengers were treated much better than most NCL ships.I haven't noticed a steep difference in food on RCCL or Carnival in that time. Maybe I'm just too easy to please.

 

No some people will bitch even at 5 star land resorts.

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My husband & I take each day and enjoy it, little things that we encounter, people butting in front of us at the WJ, I just say, I am in no hurry & if you forgot something go ahead. There are more enjoyable parts of the cruise to think about. Deb, my first experience on a ship was back in 1959 on the Quuen of Bermuda, reminded me of the Titanic. Sis & I slept in a tiny cabin with a porthole, 1 dresser & 2 twin beds. Bathroom was down the hall. I still have the menu card.

Ship Photo: https://crociereuk.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/the-queen-of-bermuda/

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My husband & I take each day and enjoy it, little things that we encounter, people butting in front of us at the WJ, I just say, I am in no hurry & if you forgot something go ahead. There are more enjoyable parts of the cruise to think about. Deb, my first experience on a ship was back in 1959 on the Quuen of Bermuda, reminded me of the Titanic. Sis & I slept in a tiny cabin with a porthole, 1 dresser & 2 twin beds. Bathroom was down the hall. I still have the menu card.

Ship Photo: https://crociereuk.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/the-queen-of-bermuda/

 

Are there lines at the buffet? Just curious as I haven't seen that for a long time, most buffet restaurants having gone to a free form or scatter buffet. On our Disney cruise for instance there was no line, you simply went to the item you were interested in and got it.

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The lines we have experienced are short, yet it also depends on the time of day you go in. For breakfast we are usually there by 7 AM and I personally have never enountered more then 3 or 4 people ahead of me say at the fruit section, there is more traffic with people moving around between stations. Lunch time around 12 to 1 it can be really busy.

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Ive always loved the egg station and breakfast items in the WJ and thought they did a good job at lunch as well. This was the first cruise where I actually went to the WJ for dinner and man was I pleasantly surprised. My mother who is not much of a buffet fan at all enjoyed it as well. I will be doing that many more times in the future :) I may not even go to the MDR on Allure at all. I do understand that Allure has a smaller WJ though and its often hard to find a seat. We will make it work

 

Allure's Windjammer is smaller but it still works very well for dinner as people have many other choices of places to eat in the evening. Try breakfast in the Solarium Cafe and see how you like it. If you get there when it opens it is usually almost empty. The food choices, in my opinion are really good. If you want made to order eggs for breakfast you can get them in the Wipeout Cafe and also at Johnny Rocket's but not in the Windjammer.

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Any idea of what that cruise would have cost back then?

 

 

 

 

 

Our Santa Paula Grace Line cruise in 1968 was $600 for each of the first 2 passengers and $100 for the 3rd passenger. We sailed Grace Line again in 1969 on the Santa Rosa and it was still $600 for each of the first two passengers but the 3rd was free. This was for a very large oceanview cabin. There were no balcony cabins.

 

I am told that that was pretty expensive for the time.

 

To give you an idea of prices back then, in the summer of 1969 I spent 7 weeks in Europe on a Study/Tour for $550.00. It included all accomodations, airfare from JFK to London and from Rome back to JFK, tours, tuition and meals. We stayed at some really nice hotels like the Montreaux Palace in Switzerland.

 

I know DH and I only paid $645.00 for a week's honeymoon in Jamaica at the Hilton in Ocho Rios including breakfast and dinner daily and the airfare from Philadelphia to Montego Bay on Air Jamaica in 1974.

 

We did not plan to sail Grace Line on the same itinerary in 1969. We were booked on the SS United States, but they pulled it out of service and refunded the deposit money. So, we and others booked on several ships that were pulled from service that year ended up on Grace Line. Our family doctor and his family were onboard that week too.

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