Flowrider Question

[mil76]

Wow. We broke 100 posts on a Flowrider thread. I guess with all the talk of wet suits it's turned into a dress code debate. :p

[Russ Lomas]

Wow. We broke 100 posts on a Flowrider thread. I guess with all the talk of wet suits it's turned into a dress code debate. :p

Always nice to talk to my fellow cruisers who are also addicted to the flow rider (a great bunch of guys and gals). Nice to see a thread like this that has enough steam to hit 100 posts. Hopefully there is some useful info in this thread to help some riders out (be it about wet suits, places to ride, rules, whatever).

[jb972]

Lol. And all i did was ask if my son could wear neoprene surf shoes!! 😂

 

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[xpcdoojk]

I don't think pezz ever loses. The show I competed against him in March was the exact same one that you can watch him do on YouTube. Same songs, moves etc... DW wondered how many times does he need to sign the same board on his B2B2B2B.:rolleyes:

 

That being said he is a fun guy in line and he encompass the spirit of flow-riding and cruising as well. I'd love to sail with him any day. :)

 

Pezz tied with Cody on my cruise. Cody surfed horribly, during BOB. That said, he was a more dynamic surfer who tried outrageous tricks compared to Pezz's cheesy production.

 

Pezz loves the adoration. That said, he is a fun guy and would love to watch him surf right now.

 

jc

[xpcdoojk]

If I remember correctly I think he called it a girl trick.:)

 

That he did.

 

jc

 

PS, he probably loves reading about himself! :D

[xpcdoojk]

I did stop at the Sea Trek desk to ask about them and he told me they rent them, but that they are really dive suits and therefore thicker. My BIL dives and has three suits for different conditions. His thinner suit is a 2mm/3mm and that's what the sports director Anthony recommended. We have a dive shop near the house, so I'm going to check that out and see what they think.

 

The boys have always worn rash guards but wetsuits feel entirely different. I'm hoping to get thinner for maximum flexibility.

 

I always take a 1mm neoprene dive skin. Henderson, and Scubapro for sure make them. At a dive shop they are probably around $125. I may get a 2 or 3mm shorty to wear over my 1mm suits for Norway next May/June.

 

jc

[mil76]

Pezz tied with Cody on my cruise. Cody surfed horribly, during BOB. That said, he was a more dynamic surfer who tried outrageous tricks compared to Pezz's cheesy production.

 

Pezz loves the adoration. That said, he is a fun guy and would love to watch him surf right now.

 

jc

 

On our cruise the fix was in. The staff even know the drill and participate in the routine. It was the Pezz show and we were just extras. I fell on the rail and hurt my hip shortly before BOB so I could hardly even stay up. My son had half of the teen club there to cheer for him and had a great run, but there was no beating Pezz that day.

 

That said, I'd love to lose to him on every cruise he takes...

Edited September 4, 2015 by mil76

[IandY]

... unless it's an advanced standup session. If the cruise compass says that it's an advanced session then you must be able to surf without assistance from the activities staff.

 

Not the case on our recent Liberty sailing. Of the 20 or so lined up for the advanced sessions (including my daughter), I only saw 2 or 3 that were able to get going without any assistance. For all the rest, the staff initially helped out to get the surfer started. Even as "advanced" surfers, the majority only lasted a relatively short time before...the wipeout!

[Russ Lomas]

On our cruise the fix was in. The staff even know the drill and participate in the routine. It was the Pezz show and we were just extras. I fell on the rail and hurt my hip shortly before BOB so I could hardly even stay up. My son had half of the teen club there to cheer for him and had a great run, but there was no beating Pezz that day.

 

That said, I'd love to lose to him on every cruise he takes...

Ah, to only be able to cruise (and ride) as often as the Pezz....maybe after I retire.

 

Hopefully the Pezz will lose a competition to somebody one day who pulls the show pony, or as he refers to it (a girl's trick). Then maybe we can all rename the show pony to "The Pezz Dispenser" - get it? like the plastic candy dispenser that contains Pez candies?;)

[A&L_Ont]

On our cruise the fix was in. The staff even know the drill and participate in the routine. It was the Pezz show and we were just extras. I fell on the rail and hurt my hip shortly before BOB so I could hardly even stay up. My son had half of the teen club there to cheer for him and had a great run, but there was no beating Pezz that day.

 

That said, I'd love to lose to him on every cruise he takes...

 

I think that is the best description, "we were the extras". I'd also love to lose to him, as it means we'd be at sea right now.:D

[A&L_Ont]

My favorite experience with Pezz was when we were waiting at guest services and Pezz walked by and saw us. He came over and went up to the agent and told her to take care of us. When he walked away, without missing a beat the agent said "this is our new service offering, personal service provided by Pinnacle members".

 

I can even hear his voice saying that to the female GS agent. That's exactly what I would expect Pezz to do, and he does it in a friendly way not in a jerk way.:) I have met some great Pinnacles but I think he is one of, if not the top stand out for me.

[A&L_Ont]

I was inquiring about that exact Saturday(it was going to be a weekend away for us). We were going to get a hotel room the night before and be there that morning until I called and got the reply I did. I wish I had posted here first as I would have been able to hang out with another royal cruiser:(. For 10.00 I am willing to make the trek down there for sure some time. What did you not like about the wave that they have there? I like heat so that would not bother me at all if the building is a bit warm. When you rented it were you the only one on it? I rode one time last year for over an hour with one other person on the liberty and both of us could hardly walk after that. It was fun but you need a few extra people to give you a little break.

 

 

That sucks about being told the wrong info. I have no problem riding for the hour solo, I just stretch before, during, and after. I also take a few Advil before bed too. It was also funny hanging with riders, but ones that have never cruised before. A couple of the riders asked why would you ever cruise, and I asked them why wouldn't you.:cool:

 

I was emailing with Russ Lomas about me experiences at Windsor. I copied and attached it below in italics.

 

 

I had to go south of Windsor for work so I went on a Friday and planned an overnight stay for the Friday night at Casino Windsor. I rented the wave for an hour Friday night (200 plus tax), and went to the open riding Saturday morning from 9-12 for $10 tax in. I also had to pay for street parking/lot parking. It is a bit sketchy, but no different than parts of London.

 

The wave is maybe double the size of the cruise ship, and is much steeper. Also there was a bigger lower flat area. For starters it is hot as hell in their building. Even with 30' ceiling fans it was hot. I guess in the winter it is better. I went August 14th when it was humid like today. Besides the hot humid air in the water park the flowrider water was hot too, making it even hotter. The wave has bumpers on the sides so you need to one foot load in, which is no big deal. However the mat was real slippery. Once I realized that all was good for wave entry.

 

The wave seemed to be thin in water. Once you got 3/4 of the way up the wave you would catch your edge while turning. Instead of leaning back for sharp turns, you almost had to have 60% of your weight on the front foot to stop the board from catching. At no point was I able to ride the top of the wave, I got 80% of the way up, once I got comfortable on it. I was able to do multiple 360s, front and back stalls, climb the wave etc once I got used to the wave. Back stalls were way easier than front side stalls.

 

The regular riders on Saturday complained about how the wave speed is turned down so the boogie boarders did not get washed up into the back wall. That might explain why it was almost impossible to ride the top of the wave. It might also explain why the wave didn't push me over the top very well when I wiped out. The locals also explained that no one at the water park knows how to run it, to make changes. They also said the park was losing money hand over first. A possible chance for London to buy their wave?

 

Having only ever rode on the ship on a smaller wave, you might be able to note if my observations of this wave being under powered are correct. I would not return for a rental and the riding. Way to much for a uncomfortable building and a lack luster wave. If there were 5 people maybe to break it up I might return but not on my own for sure. If I was really hard done by I would go down for a Saturday open ride and back the same day. It is a lot of driving for 3 hours of riding though.

 

Positives. They basically had no rules. There were no wavers to sign for the Saturday morning, which surprised me. They had the cushy marsh mellow mats for walking on and in the upper wipe out area.The "stand-up lesson" was from 9-10 and then you could ride from 10-12 with boogie boarders if any were there. The staff persuaded possible boogie boarders away by saying that stand-up went to noon, wink wink. There were a couple of decent riders and the crowd was a strange mix, as in they were all different but didn't really mingle if that makes sense. Not like on the ship.

[snorkelman]

Okay, living in Florida we have a couple flowriders, but none less than 2 hour drive from me. Anyway, for you tourists who come down to Florida, you may want to check out Fantasy Surf in orlando (actually kissimmee).

 

I have gone there a few times and love it. Some comments about that similar to the comments above mine.

 

Unlike the cruise ship, when I was in the indoor flowrider, the biggest two differences are the heat and noise. It is very humid and warm when inside the enclosed surfing area. That also means it is very loud. The people who work their sometimes wear earplugs.

 

I have gone when there were just a couple people and they left so I had the wave to myself for 30 or 60 minutes. It costs about $25-30 per half hour so that is a great deal and much cheaper than the cruise ship.

 

I mainly only do boogie board.

 

They have no rules. basically if you are capable of doing tricks, they let you. I as very excited to stand up on the boogie board, do multiple front flips and hubcaps, which are not allowed on the cruise ship.

 

The speed of the water is usually fast, which accommodates the stand-up more than the boogie boarders. As a boogie boarder, this means that it is much harder to do some tricks. As an example, it is much harder to do two or three barrel rolls without being blown out of the wave. Even me, weighing 200 pounds, can't get the rolls fast enough to get more than 1 comfortably and sometimes two sketchy.

 

Same with superman. I pretty much have to do a front flip while the board is out or else I may blow out of the wave by the time that the board comes back to me.

 

One funny thing I noticed is that all of the locals seem to enter the wave at the front, for both boogie and standup, which is prohibited on the cruise ships. They even have a rope set up for newbies to hold onto while self loading. I feel this is a great idea for standup and it would work good on cruise ships IMO.

 

Having a really wide wave is great for carving and doing a slalom. That is why I always try and hit the wave on Day 1 on the cruise ship. Often there are not enough people to warrant the divider.

 

Also, tip for the boogie boarders: the ships usually have two types of boogie boards. One is more rectangular and the other has more of a curve to the back of it. I think the rectangular is better for newbies, and the one with a curve seems to be better if you are trying 360's.

 

as for riding drop-knee, I like the rounded one. heck, I prefer the rounded one for almost any trick except the pushups (where you spin the board 90 degrees).

[mil76]

Not the case on our recent Liberty sailing. Of the 20 or so lined up for the advanced sessions (including my daughter), I only saw 2 or 3 that were able to get going without any assistance. For all the rest, the staff initially helped out to get the surfer started. Even as "advanced" surfers, the majority only lasted a relatively short time before...the wipeout!

 

They are probably getting ready for Galveston where they'll stop doing Advanced and BOB just like the Navigator. :mad:

[A&L_Ont]

Okay, living in Florida we have a couple flowriders, but none less than 2 hour drive from me. Anyway, for you tourists who come down to Florida, you may want to check out Fantasy Surf in orlando (actually kissimmee).

 

I have gone there a few times and love it. Some comments about that similar to the comments above mine.

 

Unlike the cruise ship, when I was in the indoor flowrider, the biggest two differences are the heat and noise. It is very humid and warm when inside the enclosed surfing area. That also means it is very loud. The people who work their sometimes wear earplugs.

 

I have gone when there were just a couple people and they left so I had the wave to myself for 30 or 60 minutes. It costs about $25-30 per half hour so that is a great deal and much cheaper than the cruise ship.

 

I mainly only do boogie board.

 

They have no rules. basically if you are capable of doing tricks, they let you. I as very excited to stand up on the boogie board, do multiple front flips and hubcaps, which are not allowed on the cruise ship.

 

The speed of the water is usually fast, which accommodates the stand-up more than the boogie boarders. As a boogie boarder, this means that it is much harder to do some tricks. As an example, it is much harder to do two or three barrel rolls without being blown out of the wave. Even me, weighing 200 pounds, can't get the rolls fast enough to get more than 1 comfortably and sometimes two sketchy.

 

Same with superman. I pretty much have to do a front flip while the board is out or else I may blow out of the wave by the time that the board comes back to me.

 

One funny thing I noticed is that all of the locals seem to enter the wave at the front, for both boogie and standup, which is prohibited on the cruise ships. They even have a rope set up for newbies to hold onto while self loading. I feel this is a great idea for standup and it would work good on cruise ships IMO.

 

Having a really wide wave is great for carving and doing a slalom. That is why I always try and hit the wave on Day 1 on the cruise ship. Often there are not enough people to warrant the divider.

 

Also, tip for the boogie boarders: the ships usually have two types of boogie boards. One is more rectangular and the other has more of a curve to the back of it. I think the rectangular is better for newbies, and the one with a curve seems to be better if you are trying 360's.as for riding drop-knee, I like the rounded one. heck, I prefer the rounded one for almost any trick except the pushups (where you spin the board 90 degrees).

 

I weigh around 200 and the wave I spoke of had a hard time getting me over the top lip when I wiped out. That would have been the wave running at a slow speed, totally unlike your experience. They also let riders put in on the front of the wave. They also used the rope, which looks to work, but also looks funny after being on the cruise ships for so long.

Edited September 4, 2015 by A&L_Ont

[snorkelman]

I weigh around 200 and the wave I spoke of had a hard time getting me over the top lip when I wiped out. That would have been the wave running at a slow speed, totally unlike your experience.

 

Yeah, I know they are adjustable. I remember talking with a staff member when the flowriders were new (independence I think) and they told me that they can adjust them and they usually set them faster for standup and slower for boogie. Now that the bigger ships have two, i have a feeling that the one wave that is designated stand up will probably always be set faster.

 

Back then on the smaller ships with just one flowrider I remember doing boogie and getting blown back so hard that I had "grill marks" on my back/butt every day of the cruise.

 

The last 6 cruises I did were on the Oasis and Allure and I noticed that when doing boogie I never got blown back with the same force as I used to.

[snorkelman]

Since this is a fun flowrider thread, here are some fun pics from RCI cruises.

 

Proof that they used to let us do tricks on the ships:

 

http://tinypic.com/m/in6f04/3

 

http://tinypic.com/m/fp43mv/3

 

http://tinypic.com/m/in6ey8/3

[mil76]

Okay, living in Florida we have a couple flowriders, but none less than 2 hour drive from me. Anyway, for you tourists who come down to Florida, you may want to check out Fantasy Surf in orlando (actually kissimmee).

 

I have gone there a few times and love it. Some comments about that similar to the comments above mine.

 

Unlike the cruise ship, when I was in the indoor flowrider, the biggest two differences are the heat and noise. It is very humid and warm when inside the enclosed surfing area. That also means it is very loud. The people who work their sometimes wear earplugs.

 

I have gone when there were just a couple people and they left so I had the wave to myself for 30 or 60 minutes. It costs about $25-30 per half hour so that is a great deal and much cheaper than the cruise ship.

 

I mainly only do boogie board.

 

They have no rules. basically if you are capable of doing tricks, they let you. I as very excited to stand up on the boogie board, do multiple front flips and hubcaps, which are not allowed on the cruise ship.

 

The speed of the water is usually fast, which accommodates the stand-up more than the boogie boarders. As a boogie boarder, this means that it is much harder to do some tricks. As an example, it is much harder to do two or three barrel rolls without being blown out of the wave. Even me, weighing 200 pounds, can't get the rolls fast enough to get more than 1 comfortably and sometimes two sketchy.

 

Same with superman. I pretty much have to do a front flip while the board is out or else I may blow out of the wave by the time that the board comes back to me.

 

One funny thing I noticed is that all of the locals seem to enter the wave at the front, for both boogie and standup, which is prohibited on the cruise ships. They even have a rope set up for newbies to hold onto while self loading. I feel this is a great idea for standup and it would work good on cruise ships IMO.

 

Having a really wide wave is great for carving and doing a slalom. That is why I always try and hit the wave on Day 1 on the cruise ship. Often there are not enough people to warrant the divider.

 

Also, tip for the boogie boarders: the ships usually have two types of boogie boards. One is more rectangular and the other has more of a curve to the back of it. I think the rectangular is better for newbies, and the one with a curve seems to be better if you are trying 360's.

 

as for riding drop-knee, I like the rounded one. heck, I prefer the rounded one for almost any trick except the pushups (where you spin the board 90 degrees).

 

Fantasy Surf drives me nuts. I have to go to Orlando on business multiple times a year, and the only evening I ever have free is Monday evening, and Fantasy Surf is CLOSED on Mondays. Some day I will get to try it out.

 

The Flowrider we go to in ABQ is anything goes as well. You can do anything on boogie there, even standing up and headstands. The only thing they prevent sometimes is when we do multiple riders on boogie during the time we rent it out. That is a blast!

 

I never knew they could adjust the speed of the wave for Boogie Board. My youngest would love that since he's 90 lbs soaking wet and any miscue on the wave usually sends him right over the top. We got him a short rounder board so he can do tricks easier, since the normal boards are like a boat for him. I guess they have a slower speed for the boogie side on Oasis/Allure, but since he's not allowed to do any of his harder tricks he probably doesn't even notice.

[snorkelman]

I never knew they could adjust the speed of the wave for Boogie Board.

 

I don't know what's involved, but it can be done. Don't expect to be able to ask the sports staff to do this. I think it is something the mechanics set when they work on it at night.

[mil76]

They also let riders put in on the front of the wave. They also used the rope, which looks to work, but also looks funny after being on the cruise ships for so long.

 

I'm not a fan of the rope method. The Noobs seem to always lean forward since the rope pulls them forward and they usually do a face plant after about .5 seconds. When my youngest was learning stand-up this year I would lay at the front of the wave and load him in while holding the front of the board. That way the board is steady while he gets his balance. Then you let it go and he's right in the middle of the wave and has the proper weight distribution. Best method I've seen yet for teaching Noobs.

[playingpossum]

That sucks about being told the wrong info. I have no problem riding for the hour solo, I just stretch before, during, and after. I also take a few Advil before bed too. It was also funny hanging with riders, but ones that have never cruised before. A couple of the riders asked why would you ever cruise, and I asked them why wouldn't you.:cool:

 

I was emailing with Russ Lomas about me experiences at Windsor. I copied and attached it below in italics.

 

 

I had to go south of Windsor for work so I went on a Friday and planned an overnight stay for the Friday night at Casino Windsor. I rented the wave for an hour Friday night (200 plus tax), and went to the open riding Saturday morning from 9-12 for $10 tax in. I also had to pay for street parking/lot parking. It is a bit sketchy, but no different than parts of London.

 

The wave is maybe double the size of the cruise ship, and is much steeper. Also there was a bigger lower flat area. For starters it is hot as hell in their building. Even with 30' ceiling fans it was hot. I guess in the winter it is better. I went August 14th when it was humid like today. Besides the hot humid air in the water park the flowrider water was hot too, making it even hotter. The wave has bumpers on the sides so you need to one foot load in, which is no big deal. However the mat was real slippery. Once I realized that all was good for wave entry.

 

The wave seemed to be thin in water. Once you got 3/4 of the way up the wave you would catch your edge while turning. Instead of leaning back for sharp turns, you almost had to have 60% of your weight on the front foot to stop the board from catching. At no point was I able to ride the top of the wave, I got 80% of the way up, once I got comfortable on it. I was able to do multiple 360s, front and back stalls, climb the wave etc once I got used to the wave. Back stalls were way easier than front side stalls.

 

The regular riders on Saturday complained about how the wave speed is turned down so the boogie boarders did not get washed up into the back wall. That might explain why it was almost impossible to ride the top of the wave. It might also explain why the wave didn't push me over the top very well when I wiped out. The locals also explained that no one at the water park knows how to run it, to make changes. They also said the park was losing money hand over first. A possible chance for London to buy their wave?

 

Having only ever rode on the ship on a smaller wave, you might be able to note if my observations of this wave being under powered are correct. I would not return for a rental and the riding. Way to much for a uncomfortable building and a lack luster wave. If there were 5 people maybe to break it up I might return but not on my own for sure. If I was really hard done by I would go down for a Saturday open ride and back the same day. It is a lot of driving for 3 hours of riding though.

 

Positives. They basically had no rules. There were no wavers to sign for the Saturday morning, which surprised me. They had the cushy marsh mellow mats for walking on and in the upper wipe out area.The "stand-up lesson" was from 9-10 and then you could ride from 10-12 with boogie boarders if any were there. The staff persuaded possible boogie boarders away by saying that stand-up went to noon, wink wink. There were a couple of decent riders and the crowd was a strange mix, as in they were all different but didn't really mingle if that makes sense. Not like on the ship.

 

Thank you for posting this. It gives me a pretty good idea of what to expect when we go. We are planning on going down later this month if I can talk my wife into it(maybe the 19th). I would still be happy to try it out and see how I do at it. As for the drive I think it would take close to 3 hours from Simcoe so if we could drive down and back then we would be ok with that. It is such a long time between cruises that a day trip would be well worth it. I have not ordered a new board yet so it may be nice to ride whatever they have there just to try and make sure I am 100 percent set on the one I want too.

 

I was not sure how well Windsor would be able to support a park like that. It is too bad that it ended up down there. If it had been nearer to a more popular area it may have gone over a lot better. The only plus is that they are only charging $10 but how long it can go on before it is shut down will remain to be seen. I guess I better get down and try it before the plug is pulled. Maybe we could get together and find a better home for it some day;).

[playingpossum]

They are probably getting ready for Galveston where they'll stop doing Advanced and BOB just like the Navigator. :mad:

 

I am not getting my hopes up but when we go on the Navigator in November when it is docked in Fort Lauderdale I am hoping they have at least the advanced session onboard. If they don't I will have to see how much time I get on the wave. I am also hoping that the 8 day cruise combined with the after Thanksgiving time helps out with increased time to ride. I will probably get to talk to the activities manager on board at some point. We are hoping that it will adopt an advanced session and bob as we would like to do a southern Caribbean cruise in 2017 on this ship.

[A&L_Ont]

Thank you for posting this. It gives me a pretty good idea of what to expect when we go. We are planning on going down later this month if I can talk my wife into it(maybe the 19th). I would still be happy to try it out and see how I do at it. As for the drive I think it would take close to 3 hours from Simcoe so if we could drive down and back then we would be ok with that. It is such a long time between cruises that a day trip would be well worth it. I have not ordered a new board yet so it may be nice to ride whatever they have there just to try and make sure I am 100 percent set on the one I want too.

 

I was not sure how well Windsor would be able to support a park like that. It is too bad that it ended up down there. If it had been nearer to a more popular area it may have gone over a lot better. The only plus is that they are only charging $10 but how long it can go on before it is shut down will remain to be seen. I guess I better get down and try it before the plug is pulled. Maybe we could get together and find a better home for it some day;).

 

 

Here here. I am sure Russ would support it's move to London as well. :D

 

I stayed at the Casino. I found a room package that gave a $50 food credit, as well as free passes to the water park for about $220 tax in. I also got a room in the no kid tower. Valet parking is free (I tipped though) and it is just a few minutes drive back and forth to the water park.

 

They also let me ride my own boards.

 

EDIT: you don't need the passes for the water park, but if you have kids and they want to use the slides etc it works perfectly. When you book the room make sure that you have the occupancy count at the right numbers. That indicates how many passes you get at checkin. I gave my pass to a family entering the park. I figure it saved them a few bucks.

Edited September 8, 2015 by A&L_Ont

[mil76]

I am not getting my hopes up but when we go on the Navigator in November when it is docked in Fort Lauderdale I am hoping they have at least the advanced session onboard. If they don't I will have to see how much time I get on the wave. I am also hoping that the 8 day cruise combined with the after Thanksgiving time helps out with increased time to ride. I will probably get to talk to the activities manager on board at some point. We are hoping that it will adopt an advanced session and bob as we would like to do a southern Caribbean cruise in 2017 on this ship.

 

I'm assuming they will start doing Advanced and BOB on Navigator once it gets to FL, since every other ship there does it as well. That extra 6 hours a week with the smaller crowd really makes a difference, especially on a ship with just one Flowrider.

 

I would love to do the ABCs on a Flowrider ship as well.

[playingpossum]

Here here. I am sure Russ would support it's move to London as well. :D

 

I stayed at the Casino. I found a room package that gave a $50 food credit, as well as free passes to the water park for about $220 tax in. I also got a room in the no kid tower. Valet parking is free (I tipped though) and it is just a few minutes drive back and forth to the water park.

 

They also let me ride my own boards.

 

EDIT: you don't need the passes for the water park, but if you have kids and they want to use the slides etc it works perfectly. When you book the room make sure that you have the occupancy count at the right numbers. That indicates how many passes you get at checkin. I gave my pass to a family entering the park. I figure it saved them a few bucks.

 

I think London would be a good place too for one;).

 

I have stayed at the casino a couple of times already to play poker. I have not been in quite awhile now as I do not play anymore. We don't have any kids but my wife would probably like to use the lazy river as well so we would have to purchase at least one pass. She may use the flowrider depending on how many people are in line for it. I think we would probably get up real early and drive down for just the day. If I liked it enough we would make plans to spend a bit more time down there. That was nice of you to give your pass away and I would probably do the same thing as I would be there for the wave only.

 

I also agree that I would not rent it out by myself for a session. I would only do that if there were at least a few people to break up the time. I can only go for 3 minutes at a time max before my back leg gets too tired and then I need a 10 minute break. Maybe if you want to go down again sometime let me know and maybe we can work something out.