cruzsnooze Posted November 27, 2015 #176 Share Posted November 27, 2015 The DSC is a discretionary tip masked as a daily charge to supposedly be distributed to all on-board crew. One CAN opt-out and remove it. If one does, they must tip those who provided direct service to them as was done in the past when envelopes were handed out. But we don't know if it's distributed to staff because the cruise lines have stated it is also used for employee incentives and employee parties and merchant seamans retirement funds. If the cruise line would be upfront about where our tips are really going it wouldn't be controversial. I choose to make sure it goes into the hands of the crew that serve me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzsnooze Posted November 27, 2015 #177 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) If one opts out of the DSC and has received a satisfactory level of service, then based on custom and the known salary structure of the staff, tipping is not optional. No one will enforce it other than your own conscience. And with close to 9K in posts, I'm sure you're not all that confused. But we don't know the salary structure, ( not our business)that's the whole controversy. I just want to know if the entire DSC goes to staff and which staff, and in what amounts. When we handed out envelopes we knew what was expected and to whom. Now it's a mystery. Edited November 27, 2015 by cruzsnooze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtreJ Posted November 27, 2015 #178 Share Posted November 27, 2015 But we don't know if it's distributed to staff because the cruise lines have stated it is also used for employee incentives and employee parties and merchant seamans retirement funds. If the cruise line would be upfront about where our tips are really going it wouldn't be controversial. I choose to make sure it goes into the hands of the crew that serve me. I 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandlucy Posted November 27, 2015 #179 Share Posted November 27, 2015 How were the behind the scenes staff tipped in the days before the DSC (under the old cash-in-an-envelope system)? (That's before my time, btw; I have always had a DSC on every cruiseline I have sailed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcelh Posted November 27, 2015 #180 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I will only tip the people who serve me directly. I will also remove the dsc and let the billion dolor corporation pay their behind the scene employees. Tip anyone you wish to tip but surely you don't believe that the billion dollar corporation isn't using your money and mine to pay their employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees111 Posted November 27, 2015 #181 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanksgiving Day and all these cheap people talking about reducing tips to all the hard working people that make a cruise enjoyable. Unreal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson bernard Posted November 27, 2015 #182 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanksgiving Day and all these cheap people talking about reducing tips to all the hard working people that make a cruise enjoyable. Unreal! Boo Hoo. Who cares? Let the company pay their employees with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShark Posted November 27, 2015 #183 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Boo Hoo. Who cares? Let the company pay their employees with their money. With their money?? What money does a cruise line have that doesn't come from their passengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckerDave Posted November 27, 2015 #184 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Wow 10 pages (and counting) :eek: of folks arguing over this. Can we toss in a couple of the other "3rd rail" topics and get this to 100 pages by the end of the holiday weekend? Lets toss in the best way to smuggle booze on board do I need a passport should I use a TA why is my airline ticket x when I only paid y 8 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted November 27, 2015 #185 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well if you can get away without paying them every dictionary I've ever seen would say that they are optional. But maybe we have different definitions of the word. You are obviously here just to argue. If you read my post I specifically said it was not to be taken in the literal sense. Tipping in certain circumstances is expected as part of a servers income. So much so that some restaurants even include it on the check in certain cases like more than 6 people or total over a certain amount thus making it "not optional". I certainly hope you are more talk and less action when it comes to possibly stiffing someone on a tip. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted November 27, 2015 #186 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Wow 10 pages (and counting) :eek: of folks arguing over this. Can we toss in a couple of the other "3rd rail" topics and get this to 100 pages by the end of the holiday weekend? Lets toss in the best way to smuggle booze on board do I need a passport should I use a TA why is my airline ticket x when I only paid y 8 years ago Why not include smoking and formal nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted November 27, 2015 #187 Share Posted November 27, 2015 But we don't know the salary structure, ( not our business)that's the whole controversy. I just want to know if the entire DSC goes to staff and which staff, and in what amounts. When we handed out envelopes we knew what was expected and to whom. Now it's a mystery. In one statement you say the salary structure is none of our business and in another statement you say you want to know who gets what amounts? Sounds slightly contradictory. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted November 27, 2015 #188 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You are obviously here just to argue. If you read my post I specifically said it was not to be taken in the literal sense. Tipping in certain circumstances is expected as part of a servers income. So much so that some restaurants even include it on the check in certain cases like more than 6 people or total over a certain amount thus making it "not optional". I certainly hope you are more talk and less action when it comes to possibly stiffing someone on a tip. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And can you explain how it is anyone's business who and how I tip, other than me and the recipient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShark Posted November 27, 2015 #189 Share Posted November 27, 2015 And can you explain how it is anyone's business who and how I tip, other than me and the recipient. It only becomes other people's business if you discuss it with them or post about it on a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted November 27, 2015 #190 Share Posted November 27, 2015 And can you explain how it is anyone's business who and how I tip, other than me and the recipient. I didn't say it was anyone's business however you are on here posting about it so I was adding my comments to the other posters comment about them not being "optional". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson bernard Posted November 27, 2015 #191 Share Posted November 27, 2015 With their money?? What money does a cruise line have that doesn't come from their passengers? They can pay them with the money they get from the fare I pay. I will not fall for donating to their optional funds and will not pay discretionary charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShark Posted November 27, 2015 #192 Share Posted November 27, 2015 They can pay them with the money they get from the fare I pay. I will not fall for donating to their optional funds and will not pay discretionary charges. To may to. To mat to. Either way they're all paid with money that comes from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson bernard Posted November 27, 2015 #193 Share Posted November 27, 2015 To may to. To mat to. Either way they're all paid with money that comes from you. And I give them as little as possible, just like when buying anything else. I will tip in cash to those who serve me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShark Posted November 27, 2015 #194 Share Posted November 27, 2015 And I give them as little as possible, just like when buying anything else. I will tip in cash to those who serve me. How little you give and how much you tip aren't relevant. Nobody cares. You stated that the cruise lines should pay their employees with their money, not yours...yet you still can't seem to show how their money wasn't yours to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily815 Posted November 27, 2015 #195 Share Posted November 27, 2015 no, you're just trying to start drama, but I don't take off the whole amount from what I'm charged. I also don't believe my 3 year old needs to tip, or service charge, as much as my husband and I. Yes, true. As we all know, a 3-year old doesn't make a mess in the cabin or eat on the ship :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson bernard Posted November 27, 2015 #196 Share Posted November 27, 2015 How little you give and how much you tip aren't relevant. Nobody cares. You stated that the cruise lines should pay their employees with their money, not yours...yet you still can't seem to show how their money wasn't yours to start with. Once I pay my fare and board the ship it becomes their money. Jeez. But ,hey props to you for drinking the kool aid and subsidizing the rest of us that don't fall for their service charge nonsense. Thanks for keeping my fare low! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShark Posted November 27, 2015 #197 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Once I pay my fare and board the ship it becomes their money. Jeez. But ,hey props to you for drinking the kool aid and subsidizing the rest of us that don't fall for their service charge nonsense. Thanks for keeping my fare low! Following that "logic" once the DSC is paid it also becomes their money. Which just goes to prove how ridiculous your original comment was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luddite Posted November 27, 2015 #198 Share Posted November 27, 2015 But we don't know if it's distributed to staff . Sure we do. They have a staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luddite Posted November 27, 2015 #199 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Once I pay my fare and board the ship it becomes their money. Jeez. But ,hey props to you for drinking the kool aid and subsidizing the rest of us that don't fall for their service charge nonsense. Thanks for keeping my fare low! You have had months and months to read up about how the system works. I'm thinking there is a problem that cannot be cured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson bernard Posted November 27, 2015 #200 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Following that "logic" once the DSC is paid it also becomes their money. Which just goes to prove how ridiculous your original comment was. Keep paying it. He was right there is one born every day! The execs must love people like you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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