12 B2B passengers hold up Regal's debarkation

[Oxo]

It's not an assumption. It's the only way you can corral a non-complying passenger. How do you think the crew found those missing passengers? If they weren't off the ship, then they should have been in the theater. Any non-crew were simply escorted to the theater.

 

The alternative would be delaying boarding (and keeping the others in the theater) until the non-complying passengers decided to show up and it's not certain that they every would have.

 

Do you honestly think that the crew went through the whole ship to find those passengers? LOL You are right when you say they kept others in the theater until the non-complying passengers decided to show up.

 

I will try that the next B2B to see if you are right. I will not hide, but just stand in the Piazza waiting for someone to ask me if I am .......

[mmckm]

I did not say that Princess had anything to do with that. I just said that those passengers could have left the ship without, repeat, without going in the holding area. It would still have not allowed anyone else to reboard the ship.

 

So, why couldn't the Customs/Ingratiation Officer just look at the Passports as each passenger entered the showroom and let them debark?

 

In fact, Princess collected the Custom form, the officer really did such a quick look at the Passports, it was a joke!

 

If they leave the ship they would show up as having gone through immigration, thats only other way off the ship. The ship would show zero people left on board and they can start re-boarding. Every B2B I have been on we have always been waiting for at least 1 passenger to be found and told to get off the ship and go through immigration. We have always had to get off the ship in FLL and wait in the holding area. One time it was 6 people they were looking for. Another time it was a lady who when she got to the line up said I'm Elite I shouldn't have to do this. She was in line a few people behind us after she had walked up the line and but in , complaining loudly. There's no excuse for this. Being elite she should have known you have to do this.

[AKman2495]

OMG! Are you serious? Do you really think that the crew would walk around or ask people if they are the passengers that did not clear? I hope they do not take your assumption and try your method of determining who is on or off the ship. LOL

 

Well, first of all anyone standing around outside the theater by that point is a non complying passenger. All the departing passengers should be off the ship by then and the In-transit people should be either off the ship or in the theater.

 

And yes, they know exactly who has left the ship.

 

It is not rocket science....

[Oxo]

Well, first of all anyone standing around outside the theater by that point is a non complying passenger. All the departing passengers should be off the ship by then and the In-transit people should be either off the ship or in the theater.

 

And yes, they know exactly who has left the ship.

 

It is not rocket science....

 

Apparently some people don't understand what I am saying. I fully understand that all the departing passengers should be off the ship and in-transit people should be either off the ship or in the theater. Yes, I know they have a Computer System which keeps track of who is on and who is off. That is not the confusion. My point is that the crew does not go around asking anyone if they are the one who is missing in the theater and is a non complying passenger.

 

So where is the confusion?

[OCruisers]

Passengers who have completed their final cruise are often the cause of delays.

Until everyone who is suppose to disembark has ... the process for B2B folks can't begin.

 

LuLu

[RocketMan275]

Do you honestly think that the crew went through the whole ship to find those passengers? LOL You are right when you say they kept others in the theater until the non-complying passengers decided to show up.

 

I will try that the next B2B to see if you are right. I will not hide, but just stand in the Piazza waiting for someone to ask me if I am .......

 

So, you think the crew should just wait for the non-complying passengers to show up? Or, would you want them to be doing everything possible to locate these people and get them to the theater? How long do you want to wait on them in the theater?

 

Remember, you have several hundred passengers waiting on them to show up. You also have several thousand people waiting in the terminal as well.

 

Personally, I wish the crew had put those people in irons and frogmarched them off the ship.

[ar1950]

If they leave the ship they would show up as having gone through immigration, thats only other way off the ship. The ship would show zero people left on board and they can start re-boarding. Every B2B I have been on we have always been waiting for at least 1 passenger to be found and told to get off the ship and go through immigration. We have always had to get off the ship in FLL and wait in the holding area. One time it was 6 people they were looking for. Another time it was a lady who when she got to the line up said I'm Elite I shouldn't have to do this. She was in line a few people behind us after she had walked up the line and but in , complaining loudly. There's no excuse for this. Being elite she should have known you have to do this.

 

I read through the Captain's Circle benefits and nowhere did I see that there was a benefit at any level that allowed you to break the law.......:cool:

[RocketMan275]

Apparently some people don't understand what I am saying. I fully understand that all the departing passengers should be off the ship and in-transit people should be either off the ship or in the theater. Yes, I know they have a Computer System which keeps track of who is on and who is off. That is not the confusion. My point is that the crew does not go around asking anyone if they are the one who is missing in the theater and is a non complying passenger.

 

So where is the confusion?

 

I don't know why you're so confused. We were discussing why those who were in the theater were not cleared and released into the rest of the ship. If they were released, then they and the non-complying passengers would be intermingled on board. There would be no way for Princess to know if a passenger had been cleared or not unless they approached each passenger and asked to scan their card to see if they had been cleared.

 

If the cleared passengers are either off the ship or in the theater, then any crew member encountering a passenger knows that passenger has not been cleared and that passenger can be moved to the theater for clearance. Once everyone is in place, then clearance can begin.

 

The whole idea is to get everyone cleared as rapidly as possible.

[whitecap]

i do believe that we are all agreeing that as passengers aboard a cruise ship we all should be kind and respectful to each other and comply with the instruction given by the ship's crew. As for being Elite, I don't believe that this status gives me or any other passenger the right to expect or demand to be allowed to "not comply". As an Elite member I don't push my way to the front of the tender line, don't expect to be put in front of others waiting to get in the dinning room or get first choice of seats in the theater; the fact that I get a Butler and Personal Masseuse daily in my balcony room along with meals cooked to order, well thats all I need! :eek:

[pegpowell]

i do believe that we are all agreeing that as passengers aboard a cruise ship we all should be kind and respectful to each other and comply with the instruction given by the ship's crew. As for being Elite, I don't believe that this status gives me or any other passenger the right to expect or demand to be allowed to "not comply". As an Elite member I don't push my way to the front of the tender line, don't expect to be put in front of others waiting to get in the dinning room or get first choice of seats in the theater; the fact that I get a Butler and Personal Masseuse daily in my balcony room along with meals cooked to order, well thats all I need! :eek:

 

Dream a little dream...:p

[AKman2495]

A My point is that the crew does not go around asking anyone if they are the one who is missing in the theater and is a non complying passenger.

 

So where is the confusion?

 

I agree with rocket man. Just why wouldn't the crew be looking for stragglers? As for asking them, if they are not beeped off the ship and they are not in the theater, they are by definition, stragglers. They don't need to ask them anything. They need to escort them to the theater (or off the ship if they are really clueless).

[ar1950]

I agree with rocket man. Just why wouldn't the crew be looking for stragglers? As for asking them, if they are not beeped off the ship and they are not in the theater, they are by definition, stragglers. They don't need to ask them anything. They need to escort them to the theater (or off the ship if they are really clueless).

 

Very true. Oxo seems to miss the point that if you are a civilian and still wondering around the ship (or in your cabin) after about 10:30 or 10:45 am you very well will be asked who you are and the crew member will take you to where you need to be (B2B group or disembarkation door).

Edited December 18, 2015 by ar1950

[iceleven]

I agree with rocket man. Just why wouldn't the crew be looking for stragglers? As for asking them, if they are not beeped off the ship and they are not in the theater, they are by definition, stragglers. They don't need to ask them anything. They need to escort them to the theater (or off the ship if they are really clueless).

 

I totally agree.

 

Curious, were all 10 of these people part of a group or just singularly M.I.A?

[Cruzin-K]

Not cruise related, but this thread reminds me of a time I was on a flight, not too long after 9/11 and one passenger hadn't shown up to board. His luggage was on the plane so we couldn't take off. After waiting several minutes, they started offloading the luggage. Well, that's about the time the wayward passenger showed up. We didn't just immediately take off though. The pilot walked all the way back to the passenger's seat, about 3/4 of the way to the back of the plane and chewed him out royally in front of all the other passengers in the immediate vicinity (including me). It was a joy to watch, and that passenger sat meekly, in silence, for the duration of the flight.

 

It would have been nice for the cruise passengers who held up the boarding process to get a chewing out by the Captain.

[Elkhorn20fan]

Am I reading this right, that you only have to meet up in the Princess theater to clear customs and not get off the ship. The walk off the ship seemed like a wast of time when the customs agent could just come on board to do this for B2B cruisers.

[rbt001]

Do you honestly think that the crew went through the whole ship to find those passengers? LOL You are right when you say they kept others in the theater until the non-complying passengers decided to show up.

 

I will try that the next B2B to see if you are right. I will not hide, but just stand in the Piazza waiting for someone to ask me if I am .......

 

Most crew will immediately ask you in a polite way what you are doing. They are in disembarkation mode and expect passengers to be gone. So standing there will get their attention and get you moving off the ship or where you are supposed to be.

 

I wanted to wait for lines to die down in customs, so took a seat around the corner from the disembarkation gangway. I was approached and asked why I was there. I said I wanted to wait until the last to leave to avoid the lines. I think the only reason I was allowed to stay was my proximity to the gangway, and I'm sure the staff member that left me stay there made a mental note. It wasn't too long before my name and three others were called, as we were the last three. I then immediately disembarked.

 

It is a mind with only pointless thought that would believe it makes sense to clear ANYONE and release anyone from the Princess Theater until everyone is accounted for. YES, they do search for the missing passengers that have not disembarked. One word: Stowaway.

[Wehwalt]

So, if you were not there or involved, how can you have a perspective? LOL

Point is - have consideration for others. what is being said is those who were late were advised many times over the ships LOUDSPEAKERS!

 

This was posted on the public forum. I am a member, and I responded. There are other places to go if you do not wish to see responses.

[PrincessMelody]

We have done several b2b's, and there always has been some delay due to inconsiderate or ignorant people not showing up on time. On the Regal this past November it was no different...after a million announcements and an hour and a half...they finally located the missing pax, who arrived to angry boos of course, and we were finally released to clear customs.

 

It is quite irritating, but seems so be par for the course on B2B cruises sadly.

[Putterdude]

We did a b/b/b on the Ruby in January and at the end of the first leg the instructions were clear, however at the end of the second leg the instructions were different than the first's and very confusing then in the meeting lounge they were changed again. So yes there were delays unfortunately.

[Oxo]

We have done several b2b's, and there always has been some delay due to inconsiderate or ignorant people not showing up on time. On the Regal this past November it was no different...after a million announcements and an hour and a half...they finally located the missing pax, who arrived to angry boos of course, and we were finally released to clear customs.

 

It is quite irritating, but seems so be par for the course on B2B cruises sadly.

 

When you consider the time it took over 1,000 crew members to find the missing pax, that wasn't to bad since that was the only one lurking around the ship and not in the theater. Very effective way to find that one person.

 

Yes, it is quite irritating. That is why they should clear those who are present and punish the one who is late. JMHO!

[rdsqrl]

If I might play devil's advocate: were the instructions clear that everyone must appear exactly at 10am, or could the instructions have been interpreted as saying that clearance would begin at 10am, leaving the stragglers to believe they were in fact merely avoiding the crowds and lines by coming late? (With regard to not hearing the announcements of their names, I can think of a few reasons why they might have not heard. Earbuds, anyone?) In general, people are stupid -- they have limited reading comprehension skills and you can nearly always expect at least 10% to just flat out be wrong. The stragglers were maybe being deliberately ignorant, maybe not.

 

That said, there was no reason for everyone else to vocalize their impatience. I don't condone flipping people off, but the crowd started it and I think it's totally immature to boo total strangers for what may have been a mix-up. Akin to applauding when a waiter drops a plate -- so juvenile.

[ar1950]

We did a b/b/b on the Ruby in January and at the end of the first leg the instructions were clear, however at the end of the second leg the instructions were different than the first's and very confusing then in the meeting lounge they were changed again. So yes there were delays unfortunately.

 

No offense meant to my Scotch drinking pal, however, the instructions, different or not, were still the instructions, yes?

[pablo222]

Do you honestly think that the crew went through the whole ship to find those passengers?

 

No, but I bet the security officer and staff did.

 

And probably a tannoy to the stewards to check all the cabins.

[mmckm]

If I might play devil's advocate: were the instructions clear that everyone must appear exactly at 10am, or could the instructions have been interpreted as saying that clearance would begin at 10am, leaving the stragglers to believe they were in fact merely avoiding the crowds and lines by coming late? (With regard to not hearing the announcements of their names, I can think of a few reasons why they might have not heard. Earbuds, anyone?) In general, people are stupid -- they have limited reading comprehension skills and you can nearly always expect at least 10% to just flat out be wrong. The stragglers were maybe being deliberately ignorant, maybe not.

 

That said, there was no reason for everyone else to vocalize their impatience. I don't condone flipping people off, but the crowd started it and I think it's totally immature to boo total strangers for what may have been a mix-up. Akin to applauding when a waiter drops a plate -- so juvenile.

 

These people were totally ignorant and they should have been the ones getting the finger. 12 people walking around with earbuds I doubt it. I think the crowd was correct let these people know they are idiots and have caused everyone to have to sit and wait because there stupid and sef centered.

[floridalover5623]

These people were totally ignorant and they should have been the ones getting the finger. 12 people walking around with earbuds I doubt it. I think the crowd was correct let these people know they are idiots and have caused everyone to have to sit and wait because there stupid and sef centered.

 

I totally agree with you. It's physically impossible to ignore the announcement system no matter what you're listening to. These people should have been held in a separate area for 45 minutes after everyone went immigration to let them get a taste of their own medicine....

Of course Princess doesn't want to irritate their customers so it will continue in the future as it always has.