Drink package Cheaters??

[Biker19]

[S.A.M.J.R.]

Now you're repeating yourself. :D

[DCGuy64]

Even the dead horse meme has itself become a dead horse.

 

 

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[atnolan94]

Now you're repeating yourself. :D

 

A lot like this thread:D:p

[blackshirt]

I'm curious... do you speed? That's breaking a law. I assume everyone who has "integrity all the time" never goes even one mph over the speed limit.

 

Oh, I'm sure they see that as TOTALLY different. You know.. because!

 

Actually, it is different. Depending on the situation as to where you are, other traffic, etc, going the speed limit when everyone else around you is speeding can actually be dangerous. Or how about an emergency situation. There are plenty of other circumstances where exceeding the speed limit is the right thing to do. I can not think of any circumstance where sharing your drink package is the right thing to do.

[S.A.M.J.R.]

Actually, it is different. Depending on the situation as to where you are, other traffic, etc, going the speed limit when everyone else around you is speeding can actually be dangerous. Or how about an emergency situation. There are plenty of other circumstances where exceeding the speed limit is the right thing to do. I can not think of any circumstance where sharing your drink package is the right thing to do.

I knew someone was going to bring up "everyone else is doing it". I guess that means if everyone was sharing their drink package, you'd be ok with it. :D

 

How many times have you sped because of an "emergency situation"? Wow, what a stretch. :rolleyes:

[ash2bear]

It doesn't matter how much moral/ethical equivocation some use to argue as to why it's not wrong. It still goes against the agreement that has been made with RCI. It's only a matter of time til the prices go up again and/or RCI reverts back to all in the cabin must purchase.

 

I don't think prices go up because people are sharing drink packages. If RCI raises prices, it's because they can. It's the same reason food and drink at an amusement park costs more. They have a captive audience. Long ago, you could get pop when eating in the dining room. They no longer do that. Is it because it was such a huge expense? Seriously? McDonald's will give you 32 ounces for a buck and give you free refills. When people stop purchasing drinks because of the cost, whether through a package or individually, RCI will stop raising prices.

[Ery]

I don't think prices go up because people are sharing drink packages. If RCI raises prices, it's because they can. It's the same reason food and drink at an amusement park costs more. They have a captive audience. Long ago, you could get pop when eating in the dining room. They no longer do that. Is it because it was such a huge expense? Seriously? McDonald's will give you 32 ounces for a buck and give you free refills. When people stop purchasing drinks because of the cost, whether through a package or individually, RCI will stop raising prices.

 

 

Sorry, but as someone who gets to handle the pricing etc for drinks at a casino when we run a promo like the unlimited drinks, it does effect the bottom line. RCCL just like we do figured the price of a drink package based on an average of how many drinks on average will be consumed. Sure some might have 20, others might have 5. When people start sharing those averages get screwed and that is when you end up getting restrictions like Carnival and other lines of everyone having to buy the package or no one in the cabin can, or you may have X number of drinks.

So yes in the end it is the other passengers that get screwed over because of cheap skates that want to screw the big guy over and not pay.

 

 

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[Cel_cruise]

Actually, it is different. Depending on the situation as to where you are, other traffic, etc, going the speed limit when everyone else around you is speeding can actually be dangerous. Or how about an emergency situation. There are plenty of other circumstances where exceeding the speed limit is the right thing to do. I can not think of any circumstance where sharing your drink package is the right thing to do.

 

 

It's so hard to figure out what the definition of 'share' is on this thread...;

 

I fully expect that at least once on my next trip that I will 'share' by giving a half finished latte or soda or virgin Pina colada or bottled water to one of my kids to save everyone around me from a child meltdown - most likely as a result of someone getting hurt or a planned activity getting cancelled. My drink in hand will become to soothing device / bribery tool used to keep the noise level down and ensure that other cruisers around me do not have their vacation interrupted. I hope you are near me if that happens so you can decide if there is a place for 'sharing'. (If that is even considered sharing...). I know that I will not feel bad if they occasionally (1-2 times over the week) have some (not all) of my beverage to keep the peace!

 

I will NOT use my package to get a drink for my child to have outright. They have a weekly budget that they can use onboard for drinks, the arcade, or late night at the kids club for that purpose! My DH also has the package.

 

 

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[LarryL]

Actually, it is different. Depending on the situation as to where you are, other traffic, etc, going the speed limit when everyone else around you is speeding can actually be dangerous. Or how about an emergency situation. There are plenty of other circumstances where exceeding the speed limit is the right thing to do. I can not think of any circumstance where sharing your drink package is the right thing to do.

 

I agree with you 100%. In some cases doing the exact speed limit can get you a ticket for impeding traffic (driving in the far left lanes) and has been deemed by law enforcement as a form of road rage. Try doing this in Colorado and you'll be subject to just that. I travel the highways a lot and set my cruise at 4 over. Most everyone passes us including semis and highway patrol cars. Like many people I have been ticketed for speeding when I was younger and paid my fines accordingly. My insurance costs also skyrocketed so I paid dearly for my transgressions. That was all my costs.

 

Stealing, on the other hand, costs us consumers millions annually and it should be called for what it is. Whether you are eating a grape in a store or sharing drinks from one package it is still stealing and someone else has to pay for it. As I stated earlier, those who do this will go to great lengths to justify their actions. And I am not judging. Just stating the facts.

 

Incidentally, I choose not to waste my time watching what other people do at the ship's bars. :p

Edited November 18, 2016 by LarryL

[S.A.M.J.R.]

I agree with you 100%. In some cases doing the exact speed limit can get you a ticket for impeding traffic (driving in the far left lanes) and has been deemed by law enforcement as a form of road rage. Try doing this in Colorado and you'll be subject to just that. I travel the highways a lot and set my cruise at 4 over. Most everyone passes us including semis and highway patrol cars. Like many people I have been ticketed for speeding when I was younger and paid my fines accordingly. My insurance costs also skyrocketed so I paid dearly for my transgressions. That was all my costs.

 

Stealing, on the other hand, costs us consumers millions annually and it should be called for what it is. Whether you are eating a grape in a store or sharing drinks from one package it is still stealing and someone else has to pay for it. As I stated earlier, those who do this will go to great lengths to justify their actions. And I am not judging. Just stating the facts.

But you are justifying breaking the law. When the law you are breaking can cause DEATH. "Everyone else is doing it" is a valid excuse to you?

[LarryL]

But you are justifying breaking the law. When the law you are breaking can cause DEATH. "Everyone else is doing it" is a valid excuse to you?

 

Hardly justifying. Just stating the way things are. If I get a speeding ticket, I and I alone will pay for the consequences. I don't expect a free ride. If someone gets killed because I am doing 4 over the speed limit the probability is about 99.9% it will be because I got hit by a person who is really excessively speeding. I, rarely, pass anyone on the highway. Traffic violations, by the way, are civil penalties which include speeding. If you get caught carrying a piece of fruit of the ship, by mistake, you can still be fined for the action. It is also a civil penalty. Not a crime.

 

On the other hand, if I decide to steal and don't get caught, someone else has to pay my way. Multiple people using a drink package is stealing no matter how you try to sugar coat it. Stealing is a crime.

 

Comparing stealing to speeding is apples and oranges and a pretty weak argument to support.

Edited November 18, 2016 by LarryL

[apocalyps3]

Comparing stealing to speeding is apples and oranges and a pretty weak argument to support.

 

I might agree with you, but that is not the argument most people have been making.

 

"Some people actually have integrity and abide by stated policy."

 

"Justifying theft because you feel it is unfair, is not a true justification."

 

"Cheating is wrong"

 

"Some can steal, cheat, or blur the lines and justify their actions and not feel guilty."

 

"A rule is a rule, same as a request. Where does one draw a line."

 

"Integrity isnt part time"

 

"It doesn't matter how much moral/ethical equivocation some use to argue as to why it's not wrong."

 

The moral superior weren't putting qualifications on their statements. "It's a simple matter of ethics. You either have them or you don't." You can't stand on the moral high ground when you're down in the weeds with everyone else. Its not apples and oranges when people are throwing out comments like "Integrity isnt part time".

 

For the record, I don't drink alcohol (so I wouldn't be a situation where I'm giving/taking drinks) and I have two beverage packages purchased for our December cruise. I would have no problem with someone grabbing an extra water for family member or an OJ for someone during breakfast.

 

Lets be honest, if RCI changes their beverage policy in the future it won't be due to the so called "cheaters". It will be due to good old fashioned greed (the same reason they charge for WOW bands and The Escape Room).

[DCGuy64]

Sorry, but as someone who gets to handle the pricing etc for drinks at a casino when we run a promo like the unlimited drinks, it does effect the bottom line. RCCL just like we do figured the price of a drink package based on an average of how many drinks on average will be consumed. Sure some might have 20, others might have 5. When people start sharing those averages get screwed and that is when you end up getting restrictions like Carnival and other lines of everyone having to buy the package or no one in the cabin can, or you may have X number of drinks.

So yes in the end it is the other passengers that get screwed over because of cheap skates that want to screw the big guy over and not pay.

 

 

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That may be true, but what about the situation where you have two people on a cruise, both of whom get the package but one of them drinks a lot more than the other? What is an "average" number of drinks to one person might be far different to another, yet both people pay the same for the package. Personally, I'd rather see packages offered that allow you, say, five mixed drinks per day and offer it for much less than the $55 per day currently being advertised. My wife drinks significantly less than I do, and I don't drink all that much to start with, but we both pay the same price for that package as someone who might drink 15 drinks per day.

 

 

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Edited November 18, 2016 by DCGuy64

[troykahack]

Even the dead horse meme has itself become a dead horse.

 

 

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Oh, I couldn't agree more... next comes the Popcorn

[postmeome]

Oasis 3weeks ago

 

 

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And did you not say say to the barperson,excuse me is that price correct for grey goose,or did you just say nothing drink it and feel good:D

[Mrsinsyder]

I don't drink much but my husband got the full package - at dinner they've asked if I want wine and if I say no, they say we'll put in on your husbands card. It's been pretty funny (and they do it).

[Ery]

And did you not say say to the barperson,excuse me is that price correct for grey goose,or did you just say nothing drink it and feel good:D

 

 

Since we each had a drink package it didn't matter. Our friends did not and he ordered GG at several bars with several different bartenders and each time it was an $8 charge so doubting it was just an oops.

 

 

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[LarryL]

"Integrity isnt part time"

 

 

 

Lets be honest, if RCI changes their beverage policy in the future it won't be due to the so called "cheaters". It will be due to good old fashioned greed (the same reason they charge for WOW bands and The Escape Room).

 

I guess in fairness, the CP could have been a little more appropriate to begin with.

 

Cheating is deflating a football to gain an advantage in a game. It is also kicking a golf ball from behind a tree. If the offender is successful he, or she, is the only one who has to live with their actions.

 

The consumer is given a choice to participate in purchasing a product including drink packages, "WOW" bands, or the Escape Room. In each case the intent of the product is clear. A drink package is for one person, and tickets for different forms of entertainment are stated for their intent. There is no gray area.

 

Our society, including myself, has become increasingly accepting of bad behavior to varying degrees and sometimes even endorse it at the highest, and most disgusting, levels. Look where it has gotten us. Maybe we need to take a good look at ourselves and consider the message we are sending to our youth.

 

Time to move on to more positive subjects.:(

[apocalyps3]

Our society, including myself, has become increasingly accepting of bad behavior to varying degrees and sometimes even endorse it at the highest, and most disgusting, levels.

 

Not Trump fan? :D

 

I don't encourage people to break the rules, I just don't like the hypocrisy I see here with all the Judgey McJudgersons.

 

Don't throws stones when you live in a glass house and all that.

[DCGuy64]

When we were on a Mediterranean cruise in February, I had the opportunity to see a gentleman at one of the bars order about 7 espressos (espressi?) for himself and his friends, and he told the guy behind the counter just to ring it on his tab (he had the all-inclusive package). The bar man said he needed to see that the others also had the package or he'd have to ring them separately. All of them produced their cards showing they had the same package so the bar man rang it up as one order. Seemed fair to me.

 

 

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[LarryL]

Not Trump fan? :D

 

I don't encourage people to break the rules, I just don't like the hypocrisy I see here with all the Judgey McJudgersons.

 

Don't throws stones when you live in a glass house and all that.

 

Funny you would bring up Trump when I mentioned no names specifically. There's plenty to go around for everyone in and out of politics. I was making a general statement about our society. Maybe you missed it but I did include myself in my criticism.

[postmeome]

Since we each had a drink package it didn't matter. Our friends did not and he ordered GG at several bars with several different bartenders and each time it was an $8 charge so doubting it was just an oops.

 

 

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what is oops ?

[Ery]

Oops - like Accidentally rung up wrong . Sounded like the my comment on the price was being questioned like it was just accidentally rung up wrong

 

 

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[Big_G]

I'm pretty shocked that it took 122 comments before the speeding analogy was brought back to life. That said, maybe some people just get annoyed when they pay good money for a package that others admit to sneaking for free. I don't blame them.