Man Overboard On The Triumph

[Justmekaren918]

1) You can't fall off a cruise ship unless you are specifically trying to climb or launch yourself or someone is launching you over said railing.

 

2) Now if you were drunk and railriding the outside stairs rails there might be a chance. Like the 3rd year college student last year that decided to go the outside way from balcony to the balcony below at night. They never found him.

 

3) For the earlier person who said they could tread water for awhile. You do realize the the fall will most likely kill you, because the water is basically concrete from those heights. If for some miracle you do survive you'd better start swimming immediately away from the ship, before you are sucked in; which is probably what happened to this women, because accounts were the back of the ship. It sounds like Triumph crew got boats into the water to look for her. Unfortunately Royal has gotten really good at it. They had a boat in at water rounding the back of Oasis in about a minute from CC'ers accounts.

 

4) As for that commercial it mocks the fact that the survival rate chance is good; which it is not. That it is way to easy to fall off a ship; which it's not. They are basically mocking all these tragic events and the families involved, and there is like 10 to 20 a year; amoung millions of passengers who successfully cruised in a year without an event. I would think these cruise lines would be suing the company for slander and beyond. Along with why would you create something so stupid to sell your product. The same with that stupid sail fishing one. Now the bear in the forest scrounging for food is cute.

 

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[chengkp75]

The dreaded propeller suction is mostly legend. As the ship passes through the water, it is pushing tens of thousands of tons of water aside (ever notice how the bow wave travels outwards from the ship in a v-pattern?), so if you fall overboard, you are likely to be pushed away from the ship, and the propellers tend to suck water from under the hull, not from alongside. Dangers from propellers are when a cargo ship is running with little or no cargo, so the propeller is at the surface, or in the case of tankers, sometimes above the surface. Cruise ship propellers are always 5-8 meters below the surface. And as for falling off the back being the "most likely" to get sucked in, that is complete rubbish, as anywhere on the stern of the ship is behind the propellers, and the water flow is away from the propeller.

[jeffjeffjeffjeff]

The dreaded propeller suction is mostly legend. As the ship passes through the water, it is pushing tens of thousands of tons of water aside (ever notice how the bow wave travels outwards from the ship in a v-pattern?), so if you fall overboard, you are likely to be pushed away from the ship, and the propellers tend to suck water from under the hull, not from alongside. Dangers from propellers are when a cargo ship is running with little or no cargo, so the propeller is at the surface, or in the case of tankers, sometimes above the surface. Cruise ship propellers are always 5-8 meters below the surface. And as for falling off the back being the "most likely" to get sucked in, that is complete rubbish, as anywhere on the stern of the ship is behind the propellers, and the water flow is away from the propeller.

 

Thanks for taking the time to set things straight. I was going to but I didn't have time to do it as well as you did.

[saharaga]

Yes, I have. This commercial makes light of a potentially deadly situation. It's not at all funny and in poor taste. Troubling indeed that anyone thinks that someone falling off a cruise ship is comedy fodder.

 

Anybody see the current commercial by Turbo Tax where the guy falls overboard? Very troubling.

 

https://youtu.be/Dx_D6phoqck

 

 

 

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[saharaga]

For me too and I'm about the same height. The balcony railings on RCI seem to be a tad higher than Carnival depending on the ship - a little higher than top of boob height.

 

I'm 5'2" and I'd say the railing is at boob height, I'd have to climb on a table to get over that!

[tonit964]

My friend is on this sailing and she said they are missing Progresso port.

[Boatdrill]

Exactly, the woman on the Elation they are speculating was pushed. I have not heard anything yet on how the Triumph passenger went overboard. 44 year old woman by the way.

 

The woman on the Elation fell from her balcony on to a deck below. She didn't go into the water.

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2018/01/articles/disappearances-1/passenger-reported-overboard-from-carnival-triumph/

 

I'm with those who think the man overboard ad is tasteless. Hopefully Turbo Tax will get enough negative feedback that they'll remove it.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Boatdrill

[pghsteelerfan]

Anybody see the current commercial by Turbo Tax where the guy falls overboard? Very troubling.

 

https://youtu.be/Dx_D6phoqck

 

 

 

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SadieN...I was thinking the same thing when I saw that commercial! Not only troubling, but kind of insensitive to families/friends who have lost someone in an overboard fall.

Edited January 23, 2018 by pghsteelerfan

[wndyctygal]

I will say that on a cruise years ago we encountered some bad weather, and the ship rocked unexpectedly. The decks were already wet from rain, and my flip-flop wearing 9 year old daughter was sent flying. I was truly frightened that she might have been thrown overboard.

[SMN73]

I have a friend on Triumph. She just posted the following on facebook....

 

"Well our cruise ship is less ONE person... The Lady's husband... We left him in the Mexican brig.. For throwing her overboard"

[2112Rush]

Aren't there hundreds of security cameras on a ship, including infrared cameras to detect anyone going off of the ship? Seems to me committing a crime on a cruise ship is like committing a crime in a casino: it is likely going to be caught on a camera.

And for accidental falls, and not a family member trying to kill another family member, catching what happen on video will help with liability issues if is shows someone was doing something stupid to fall and it is not the fault of the cruise line.

Of course there is this story I came across about a camera in a cabin!

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-family-finds-hidden-spy-camera-in-their-room-on-a-carnival-cruise-ship-9908687

[NewKansasKruiser]

They missed Progresso and are still scheduled to see Cozumel. All passengers are offered a 20% discount on a future cruise due to missing the port.

[ProgRockCruiser]

Aren't there hundreds of security cameras on a ship, including infrared cameras to detect anyone going off of the ship? Seems to me committing a crime on a cruise ship is like committing a crime in a casino: it is likely going to be caught on a camera.

Yep, there are plenty of cameras I am sure, but people who get angry, often fuel by alcohol, don't usually stop to think "Hmm, will I get caught?"

 

Even without alcohol people are stupid - how many stories have I seen on the local evening news where two guys robbed a gas station/whatever and they were caught on video, and within a week or so the follow-up story (usually found online, not on the TV) is they have been caught. And usually they have priors, being caught doing something similar before.

[dengirl69]

It was a 44 year old woman. People just don't fall overboard, they have to be doing something stupid like leaning their entire body over the railing or trying to sit on it or something. The woman who died this past week from the Elation they are not giving out her name or age for a legal reason...appartently, somebody on board heard a man argue with her then this happened, it was reported by two different passengers that they saw this man arrested in hand cuffs....when they got to Freeport he was excorted in handcuffs with police on the islands, this woman must of been pushed or thrown over because they are not saying anymore and the fact the man was taken by the police.

this is very sad!

[dengirl69]

Every time we discuss cruising with anyone, it is the first thing out of their mouth. "aren't you afraid of falling off?"

now isn't that silly? just like when someone says they are from the south, they say arent you afraid of the tornadoes or if someone is from the coast people say arent you scared of the hurricanes. i have lived in both areas and yet have had one at my door step:)

[dengirl69]

Alcohol + anger + cruise ship = recipe for disaster.

 

 

Not saying this as a fact in this situation, but I would be surprised if alcohol wasn't involved.

this is one main reason why my husband nor i ever drink. not just on a cruise but we dont touch alcohol ever..both of us come from alcoholic up bringing and neither of us have seen anything good come alcohol. yes some can drink and be happy and giddy but even with those people they still seem to do or say things they may not with no alcohol in their systems :)

[mark290]

The dreaded propeller suction is mostly legend. As the ship passes through the water, it is pushing tens of thousands of tons of water aside (ever notice how the bow wave travels outwards from the ship in a v-pattern?), so if you fall overboard, you are likely to be pushed away from the ship, and the propellers tend to suck water from under the hull, not from alongside. Dangers from propellers are when a cargo ship is running with little or no cargo, so the propeller is at the surface, or in the case of tankers, sometimes above the surface. Cruise ship propellers are always 5-8 meters below the surface. And as for falling off the back being the "most likely" to get sucked in, that is complete rubbish, as anywhere on the stern of the ship is behind the propellers, and the water flow is away from the propeller.

 

I love when someone lays out a well thought out, perfectly presented, specific argument and then you

reply with actual facts based on direct knowledge that destroys what the self proclaimed scholar posted.

 

I look forward to your posts more than half priced wings and cold beer at happy hour. Thank you.

[ProgRockCruiser]

I look forward to your posts more than half priced wings and cold beer at happy hour. Thank you.

Well, not sure I could go that far, but I also like chengkp75's posts! Very informative.

 

I come from an engineering/scientific background, so I appreciate all the technical stuff to the max!

[Rigby the Dog]

I doubt there are actual reports of it, more hearsay that people worry. I get the comment a TON when I tell people that our family's vacation of choice is a cruise that aren't I worried about us/the kids falling overboard. And I was worried about getting a balcony room our first time. Until I realized how they are designed. Most people don't realize that the railings are pretty high and the design makes it very unlikely.

 

I haven't seen the commercial, but I do think it's a common worry for a lot of people who have never cruised.

 

After seeing the Doritos commercial I'm now worried that a bear might appear if I play fetch with my dog.

[Rigby the Dog]

SadieN...I was thinking the same thing when I saw that commercial! Not only troubling, but kind of insensitive to families/friends who have lost someone in an overboard fall.

 

". . . insensitive to families/friends who have lost someone in an overboard fall"(?) --- hahaha. That would be about 300 people since 2000.

 

Really people, get a sense of humor.

[chengkp75]

I love when someone lays out a well thought out, perfectly presented, specific argument and then you

reply with actual facts based on direct knowledge that destroys what the self proclaimed scholar posted.

 

I look forward to your posts more than half priced wings and cold beer at happy hour. Thank you.

 

Not a wings fan, but I would never put myself before a cold craft beer from one of the many New England breweries. And, if I could get one for half price, that would just be icing on the cake.

[gmblr]

Lot's of irresponsible people cruise. Early this year on the Elation at about 430am, there were overhead announcements about every 10-15 minutes. The were looking for a woman. Security searched the boat. They came into my room and searched everywhere. I'm pretty sure the ship stopped and they may have lowered a boat to look for her. I think it was about 6am when they found her. If someone wants to off themselves jump off a bridge, don't inconvenience me and a thousand or more other people on vacation.

[dengirl69]

Lot's of irresponsible people cruise. Early this year on the Elation at about 430am, there were overhead announcements about every 10-15 minutes. The were looking for a woman. Security searched the boat. They came into my room and searched everywhere. I'm pretty sure the ship stopped and they may have lowered a boat to look for her. I think it was about 6am when they found her. If someone wants to off themselves jump off a bridge, don't inconvenience me and a thousand or more other people on vacation.

 

 

 

Sad!

 

 

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[Keys2Heaven]

now isn't that silly? just like when someone says they are from the south, they say arent you afraid of the tornadoes or if someone is from the coast people say arent you scared of the hurricanes. i have lived in both areas and yet have had one at my door step:)

 

Or, if you fly, aren't you worried about the plane crashing?

 

Amazing what sticks in people's brains.

[mzloolue]

The dreaded propeller suction is mostly legend. As the ship passes through the water, it is pushing tens of thousands of tons of water aside (ever notice how the bow wave travels outwards from the ship in a v-pattern?), so if you fall overboard, you are likely to be pushed away from the ship, and the propellers tend to suck water from under the hull, not from alongside. Dangers from propellers are when a cargo ship is running with little or no cargo, so the propeller is at the surface, or in the case of tankers, sometimes above the surface. Cruise ship propellers are always 5-8 meters below the surface. And as for falling off the back being the "most likely" to get sucked in, that is complete rubbish, as anywhere on the stern of the ship is behind the propellers, and the water flow is away from the propeller.

 

Thank you for this.

 

I have a few questions that I hope you can answer.

 

I was on Triumph sitting on my balcony on deck 6 starboard when the man overboard was announced.

The lady, Ms. Brooks, went over from down the hall 6229 on starboard.

 

DH and I immediately got to our feet and started looking.

One life ring was thrown and they threw out around five more at intervals.

 

The ship seemed to slam on the brakes, but it still took quite a while to slow to a stop.

 

The life rings formed a lighted trail back to the first life ring.

The lights are attached to the life rings by a cord, but on several the lights did not come on.

 

The ship turned and turned in a small circle around the life rings.

Eventually the ship's circles seemed to increase in size, although it was very dark and the continual small circles were somewhat disorienting.

 

I saw one spotlight forward shining on the water searching.

It was still incredibly dark.

 

And my questions...

 

First, why did the lights on several of the life rings not come on?

 

Second, since it took time to throw out the first life ring, was the lady actually outside the area searched?

 

And third, why was there only one spotlight?

Why are there not spotlights at intervals all down the ship instead of just in the forward area?

 

I understand that the cruise lines are in the business of selling boat rides and not rescuing people from the sea, but a few more spotlights seems pretty low tech and inexpensive, but perhaps there is a reason?

 

And about the behavior of the passengers on this cruise. I have seen posts on this thread that expect the lowest behavior.

 

I saw many people standing on balconies looking. People were on the open decks looking.

People wanted to find the lady.

 

I did not hear anyone complain about missing a port.

 

Most people are good.