Rare cbr663 Posted March 1, 2018 #176 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Never has so much been said about so little ;p As I said in an earlier post, last month on the Koningsdam only 5 or 7 passengers (not guests :rolleyes:) attended these sessions. (y)(y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea girl 23 Posted March 1, 2018 #177 Share Posted March 1, 2018 "Knee jerk" is the perfect description for the Oprah/Orlando haters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlsSalt Posted March 1, 2018 #178 Share Posted March 1, 2018 "Knee jerk" is the perfect description for the Oprah/Orlando haters here. "Need to be a jerk" might be a better description for some of the other comments here. Protest is not hate. Protest is protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy2x Posted March 1, 2018 #179 Share Posted March 1, 2018 This is supposed to be about cruises. There are plenty of venues for political crap. When I’m on a cruise, politics is the last thing I want to deal with. Nobody here is going to change anybody’s viewpoint. Stop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare *Miss G* Posted March 1, 2018 #180 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Somehow I missed where a book club is political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea girl 23 Posted March 1, 2018 #181 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The complainers are trying to "Make HAL Great Again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea girl 23 Posted March 1, 2018 #182 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Somehow I missed where a book club is political. It's not..it's just that the old guard made it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea42 Posted March 1, 2018 #183 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I have belonged to the same book club for 18 years so I would love a book club gathering on cruises with a lot of sea days. I enjoy hearing what other readers take away from a book I've read. I don't think it would be of interest on short or port intensive cruises but I would definitely participate on a longer cruise. Oprah's book choices have been wide ranging. I have enjoyed several of them and others not so much. But some of my favorite books are not ones I would have pick for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetAnOpenCourse Posted March 2, 2018 #184 Share Posted March 2, 2018 It is ironic that we have the intersection of three things: 1. Libraries are being removed as crows nest renovations are done. 2. HAL recognizes that many of their passengers are "fanatical readers." 3. A book club featuring one book and what sounds like only two sessions is supposed to excite the "fanatical readers." Did HAL intend the book club to replace the library? Probably not, but the timing makes it feel that way. Capstone for this thread, at least for the original issue. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetAnOpenCourse Posted March 2, 2018 #185 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Does anyone else see the irony of posters blasting HAL's marketing efforts by proclaiming that they want to get away from it all apparently have no problem with HAL's other marketing efforts? From the responses that some would like us to believe, it is as if they have never seen other brands on HAL's ships. America's Test Kitchen, BB Kings, Coca-Cola, Elemis, Greenhouse Spas, Polo, Billboard, Double R Ranch, Microsoft, Lincoln Center Stage, BBC Earth, Celebrity Chefs.... It is blatantly clear that some posters are displaying their intolerance for a different political view point. As this reflects on them and not HAL, I am sure that it will have no impact on HAL's decision whatsoever. So wrong. Start a thread on those other brands, and if I notice it I'll chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlsSalt Posted March 2, 2018 #186 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Everything about Oprah from here on out, by her own admission, is now political: http://people.com/movies/oprah-winfrey-one-thing-make-her-run-president-exclusive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetAnOpenCourse Posted March 2, 2018 #187 Share Posted March 2, 2018 ....and I see that you are completely nonpartisan. :') Flawed logic. To merely state ones surprise that a trend hasn't progressed to a further point doesn't mean they support the trend or the thing that the trend could affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlsSalt Posted March 2, 2018 #188 Share Posted March 2, 2018 It's not..it's just that the old guard made it so. Oprah herself continues to ponder running for President of the United States - everything she does is now political. And partisan. http://people.com/movies/oprah-winfrey-one-thing-make-her-run-president-exclusive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiebabe Posted March 2, 2018 #189 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Oprah herself continues to ponder running for President of the United States - everything she does is now political. And partisan. http://people.com/movies/oprah-winfrey-one-thing-make-her-run-president-exclusive/ Yes, it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlsSalt Posted March 2, 2018 #190 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yes, it is! Eventually under US campaign finance law if she keeps up this cat and mouse game about running for President of the United States, she would need to disclose any ongoing business relationships with Holland America at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare *Miss G* Posted March 2, 2018 #191 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Ugh. Could we not discuss politics please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted March 2, 2018 #192 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Ugh. Could we not discuss politics please? I could be very wrong here (and if I am, I know there are several who will be happy to point it out) but I don't think HAL realized how choosing Oprah would lead to such a political polarization among their clientele. Granted, I don't think they did enough market research to see how the American public feels about Oprah before they got in deep with her. After they did, things got much more political with her and now they are stuck with a brand that is seen as extremely left-leaning by many. Regardless of how they feel about the deal they struck, they have no choice but to promote it and hope that those who enjoy her will embrace the partnership and try cruising with HAL because of the deal and that those who don't will just look the other way and find enough to like about HAL to keep cruising with them in spite of the Oprah branding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammiedawg Posted March 2, 2018 #193 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I could be very wrong here (and if I am, I know there are several who will be happy to point it out) but I don't think HAL realized how choosing Oprah would lead to such a political polarization among their clientele. Granted, I don't think they did enough market research to see how the American public feels about Oprah before they got in deep with her. After they did, things got much more political with her and now they are stuck with a brand that is seen as extremely left-leaning by many. Regardless of how they feel about the deal they struck, they have no choice but to promote it and hope that those who enjoy her will embrace the partnership and try cruising with HAL because of the deal and that those who don't will just look the other way and find enough to like about HAL to keep cruising with them in spite of the Oprah branding. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted March 2, 2018 #194 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I could be very wrong here (and if I am, I know there are several who will be happy to point it out) but I don't think HAL realized how choosing Oprah would lead to such a political polarization among their clientele. Granted, I don't think they did enough market research to see how the American public feels about Oprah before they got in deep with her. After they did, things got much more political with her and now they are stuck with a brand that is seen as extremely left-leaning by many. Regardless of how they feel about the deal they struck, they have no choice but to promote it and hope that those who enjoy her will embrace the partnership and try cruising with HAL because of the deal and that those who don't will just look the other way and find enough to like about HAL to keep cruising with them in spite of the Oprah branding. I think you have things pegged for the Americans on the board. We, being Canadian have no say in the American politics and no skin in the game ;) My feelings on Oprah have nothing to do with politics nor anything else. It's just overdone for me. She has saturated the market and I am not interested. I don't "buy" because her name is on a label. I don't "buy" because anyone's name is on a label. I buy what suits me. ;) If HAL want's to endorse her, that's their perogative, but I'd rather do a book club meeting the old fashioned way - when HAL supplied the book and if they don't want to, I prefer the ones my roll call comes up with that are pertinent to the cruise we are on ;). And I'll buy and bring those instead ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted March 2, 2018 #195 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I think you have things pegged for the Americans on the board. We, being Canadian have no say in the American politics and no skin in the game ;) My feelings on Oprah have nothing to do with politics nor anything else. It's just overdone for me. She has saturated the market and I am not interested. I don't "buy" because her name is on a label. I don't "buy" because anyone's name is on a label. I buy what suits me. ;) If HAL want's to endorse her, that's their perogative, but I'd rather do a book club meeting the old fashioned way - when HAL supplied the book and if they don't want to, I prefer the ones my roll call comes up with that are pertinent to the cruise we are on ;). And I'll buy and bring those instead ;) I couldn't put my finger on it before but I think you got close -- it's the saturation of all things Oprah that puts me off. I never felt one way or the other for a long time. (I admit that I think it is funny that many people thought that it was OPRAH giving them cars! Just like they think it is Ellen who gives the stuff to the audience. Yes, I understand that Oprah and Ellen make it possible for advertisers to want to get the exposure on their shows, but Oprah and Ellen aren't shelling out a dime for the gifts! And it is interesting that now it looks like they are giving away gifts to the audience on Megyn Kelly's show because the numbers are so dismal.) I guess we'll never know if the partnership with Oprah will reap great rewards for HAL. The return on investment will probably be equal to the reason behind the partnership -- a real puzzler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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