topnole Posted March 24, 2018 #151 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Too 1/3 of my class, law review, passed the NY bar my fist time, practicing law since 1984. (G-d I'm getting old). This is a message board, dear, not the SCOTUS. If I were citing something as stare decisis, I'd be using perfect Bluebook form, What law school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topnole Posted March 24, 2018 #152 Share Posted March 24, 2018 And the word you were looking for is "precedent". Autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 24, 2018 #153 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Proud alum of what was then called Hosftra University School of Law. Now I believe it's called the Maurice A. Dean School of Law. Not Ivy League, but it'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 24, 2018 #154 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Autocorrect If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 24, 2018 #155 Share Posted March 24, 2018 And since you're so curious about the topic, a little reading material. http://lawlibguides.luc.edu/c.php?g=610825&p=4239460 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topnole Posted March 24, 2018 #156 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Proud alum of what was then called Hosftra University School of Law. Now I believe it's called the Maurice A. Dean School of Law. Not Ivy League, but it'll do. Good school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted March 24, 2018 #157 Share Posted March 24, 2018 What I don't understand is why the OP deserves the benefit of doubt while the entire crew of a ship can be labelled thieves.Well said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molsonschooner Posted March 24, 2018 #158 Share Posted March 24, 2018 What I don't understand is why the OP deserves the benefit of doubt while the entire crew of a ship can be labelled thieves. I am pretty sure I was the first one to say that not all employees are trustworthy. However, at no time did I imply that the entire crew were thieves. I guess I could turn your statement around and question why some people question the OP's motives/morals and at the same time think that no one on the crew would ever be anything but 100% trustful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted March 24, 2018 #159 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I am pretty sure I was the first one to say that not all employees are trustworthy. However, at no time did I imply that the entire crew were thieves. I guess I could turn your statement around and question why some people question the OP's motives/morals and at the same time think that no one on the crew would ever be anything but 100% trustful. Suggesting an employee might be untrustworthy in a particular situtation seems to me to be labeling all employees untrustworthy. If memory serves there is only a post or two questioning OP motives. There are a large number of posts questioning the decision to take the item off the ship. Criticising a decision in no way questions motives or morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 24, 2018 #160 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Good school Glad you approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS6Caddy Posted March 26, 2018 #161 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If you say so. If you're going to judge on ones grammar and validity of their autocorrectedness (yes I made that up)...you should make sure your grammar is on point...especially when touting you were "Too" 1/3 of your class :'):'):'):'):'):') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topnole Posted March 26, 2018 #162 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Glad you approve. Approve? I don’t approve or disapprove of where anyone goes to school unless I’m paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 26, 2018 #163 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Approve? I don’t approve or disapprove of where anyone goes to school unless I’m paying for it. :D :cool: ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 26, 2018 #164 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If you're going to judge on ones grammar and validity of their autocorrectedness (yes I made that up)...you should make sure your grammar is on point...especially when touting you were "Too" 1/3 of your class :'):'):'):'):') Playing grammar police and making up words in the same post? I'm so impressed. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossBluePerchance Posted March 26, 2018 #165 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Playing grammar police and making up words in the same post? I'm so impressed. :rolleyes: Ambivocabulous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 27, 2018 #166 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Ambivocabulous? :'):') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS6Caddy Posted March 27, 2018 #167 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Playing grammar police and making up words in the same post? I'm so impressed. :rolleyes: I'm not playing grammar police...I know my grammar relies heavily on spell check and auto correct and proof readers...even though I was "too" 5 of my class as an undergraduate and graduate in the college. I am fully aware of my deficiencies in that department (but I do know the difference between there, their, and they're...or to, too, and two...so I consider that a win) I just get a good laugh out of one who plays the grammar police and then has a glaring error when trying to emphasize how smart they are. We all do it...especially with smart phones and iPads and all that fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff and Stuart Posted March 27, 2018 #168 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I found a sleeve of photos on top shelf once and I took them home... They are now with the rightful owners after I posted them to Canada. Its nice to be nice! Not sure I would have wanted the responsibility of a wedding ring mind. Sent from my SM-G935F using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerif Posted March 27, 2018 #169 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'm not playing grammar police...I know my grammar relies heavily on spell check and auto correct and proof readers...even though I was "too" 5 of my class as an undergraduate and graduate in the college. I am fully aware of my deficiencies in that department (but I do know the difference between there, their, and they're...or to, too, and two...so I consider that a win) I just get a good laugh out of one who plays the grammar police and then has a glaring error when trying to emphasize how smart they are. We all do it...especially with smart phones and iPads and all that fun stuff. Agreed. As a former English teacher who spent half my working years proofreading legal briefs,, I absolutely cringe at some of the grammar on these boards from people for whom English is a first language and theoretically finished high school and yet my autocorrect has given me some doozies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzluv Posted March 28, 2018 #170 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Uhm...neither of these links suggest the OP did the wrong thing. You have to remove the property to turn it over to law enforcement, and ship security technically is not law enforcement within the state of FL. Nothing worse than an armchair attorney. No one knows what the OP did, and I expect by some of the nonsense in this string, they simply stopped checking in because they did the right thing, found the owner via RC, and is now living a happy life having done the right thing. Rather than slinging unsubstantiated claims and half-baked opinions... https://legalbeagle.com/6728312-florida-state-law-innkeeper-laws.html https://law.justia.com/codes/florida/2005/TitleXL/ch0705.html I’m citing a Florida law because this ship sails out of Florida. If you follow the rules you get to keep the property if it isn’t claimed. There was a kid who found $10,000 in a hotel dresser drawer in Kansas City a few years ago, turned it in, and eventually got to keep it because the original owner did not come forward. Imagine if he spent the money instead of turning it in, and then the original owner claimed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ReneeFLL Posted March 28, 2018 #171 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Lighten up Francis, they already explained why! (y)(y) Two lessons to learn from this : Consensus is that don't take something which doesn't belong to you. It is the ship's responsibility not yours to handle lost items. IMO you should leave the item in the cabin with a note or hand it in to an officer or guest services. Don't post on CC because a lot of righteous people who never put a foot wrong will jump on you. Now for some advice. If you take it upon yourself to find the rightful owner of a lost item then you have to accept that you are left holding the baby. That means making sufficient endeavours to find the rightful owner. In addition to contacting RCI, I would make efforts to find person via SoME (Facebook, twitter). Cabin number, ship, date of sailing and inscription would help with this. I am not convinced that posting on CC alone would help. They should absolutely not post what the inscription is. That is one way that they can verify who the owner is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted March 29, 2018 #172 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Uhm...neither of these links suggest the OP did the wrong thing. You have to remove the property to turn it over to law enforcement, and ship security technically is not law enforcement within the state of FL. Nothing worse than an armchair attorney. No one knows what the OP did, and I expect by some of the nonsense in this string, they simply stopped checking in because they did the right thing, found the owner via RC, and is now living a happy life having done the right thing. Rather than slinging unsubstantiated claims and half-baked opinions... Um, we don't know what the OP did or did not do. But let me explain my response. Let's assume that the ring is expensive, worth about $1,000. Hypothetical #1 They find the ring in the safe, realize it has value. They turn it over to Royal Caribbean or to a TSA employee. Finding the owner is no longer their problem. And if the owner does not appear to collect his property, they have a chance of legitimately keeping the ring. Hypothetical #2 They take the ring home, post on message boards, Facebook, etc., looking for the owner. They call Royal Caribbean and tell the company they have the ring and they are looking for the owner. Somehow these efforts pay off, and the ring and owner are reunited. Hypothetical #3 Same as #2, except they cannot find the original owner despite their best efforts. They decide to sell the ring. At the pawn shop, the jeweler realizes the ring is on his list of stolen property. He calls the police. The finders explain their efforts to locate the original owner. The police accept the explanation, the ring is returned to a grateful owner, who pays the finders a reward. Hypothetical #4. They take the ring home, maybe make a few half-hearted attempts to locate the real owner. They tell themselves that they are entitled to keep the ring. This time, though, when the jeweler in the pawn shop realizes they have stolen property, they have no objective proof that they intended to return the ring to the original owner. And, just like the people in my two news stories, they wind up facing criminal charges. These were just newspaper stories, so I do not know all the details of either case. I don't think there was a conviction in the Georgia case. But even if you get acquitted of the charges, you still have a huge headache if you're charged with a crime, including paying for your legal defense. We have no way of knowing if the OP really found a ring. We have no way of knowing what real efforts they made to find the ring's owner. we do not know the value of the ring they found. So we have no way of truly judging their actions or motives. But frankly, when you're given legal advice on how to avoid a headache...you might want to consider such advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topnole Posted March 29, 2018 #173 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Um, we don't know what the OP did or did not do. But let me explain my response. Let's assume that the ring is expensive, worth about $1,000. Hypothetical #1 They find the ring in the safe, realize it has value. They turn it over to Royal Caribbean or to a TSA employee. Finding the owner is no longer their problem. And if the owner does not appear to collect his property, they have a chance of legitimately keeping the ring. Hypothetical #2 They take the ring home, post on message boards, Facebook, etc., looking for the owner. They call Royal Caribbean and tell the company they have the ring and they are looking for the owner. Somehow these efforts pay off, and the ring and owner are reunited. Hypothetical #3 Same as #2, except they cannot find the original owner despite their best efforts. They decide to sell the ring. At the pawn shop, the jeweler realizes the ring is on his list of stolen property. He calls the police. The finders explain their efforts to locate the original owner. The police accept the explanation, the ring is returned to a grateful owner, who pays the finders a reward. Hypothetical #4. They take the ring home, maybe make a few half-hearted attempts to locate the real owner. They tell themselves that they are entitled to keep the ring. This time, though, when the jeweler in the pawn shop realizes they have stolen property, they have no objective proof that they intended to return the ring to the original owner. And, just like the people in my two news stories, they wind up facing criminal charges. These were just newspaper stories, so I do not know all the details of either case. I don't think there was a conviction in the Georgia case. But even if you get acquitted of the charges, you still have a huge headache if you're charged with a crime, including paying for your legal defense. We have no way of knowing if the OP really found a ring. We have no way of knowing what real efforts they made to find the ring's owner. we do not know the value of the ring they found. So we have no way of truly judging their actions or motives. But frankly, when you're given legal advice on how to avoid a headache...you might want to consider such advice. I think the only person getting a headache over this is you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare songbird1329 Posted April 4, 2018 #174 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I think the only person getting a headache over this is you. LOL Lawyer s live to argue. It's what we do for fun, don't you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted April 4, 2018 #175 Share Posted April 4, 2018 songbird1329 40 topnole 12 cruisinfanatic 11 LS6Caddy 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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