Cruising and the environment

[Tom47]

9 hours ago, NantahalaCruiser said:

Do you expect any "advocacy group" - conservative or liberal - to ever give an unbiased rating or opinion?

Actually there is an environmental group called The Nature Conservancy, which works with Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans ,Democrats and all interested parties in protecting the environment.  I have belonged to it for 35 years.

I don't belong to FOE.

[clo]

14 minutes ago, Aplmac said:

and the sharks following the ship

knew it was Dinner Time.

Our captain told us the following has been done for decades now.  That's good.

What Happens to Leftover Food Once the Cruise is Over?

 

https://cruisedeals.expert/what-happens-to-all-the-leftover-food-once-the-cruise-is-over/

Oct 14, 2014 - It's estimated that food waste on cruise ships can sometimes be as high as 30%, so large ships have had to adapt and become creative in food waste management practices. ... While at sea, food waste is stored and sorted separately from non-perishable materials. Most of this waste is then pulverised or pureed into fish food.

[Aplmac]

13 minutes ago, clo said:

While at sea, food waste is stored and sorted

separately from non-perishable materials.

Most of this waste is then pulverised or pureed into fish food.

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That's what Royal's Environmental Officer told us about food waste

- that it is pulverised to the point of being a liquid!

 

It'll probably do more

to feed smaller fish and perhaps tiny planktonic organisms

than larger fish.....

[Aplmac]

I think a lot more food gets wasted at the buffet, than in the MDR!

MDR helpings are about right, volume-wise

and after 3 courses, you're full!

 

Buffet diners tend to take way more than they can really handle

and I've seen leftovers galore on Lido -I don't know about you.......

[clo]

1 minute ago, Aplmac said:

I think a lot more food gets wasted at the buffet, than in the MDR!

 

But I've read people here who in the MDR will order far more food than they will eat because they want to "taste" different things.  Some times at home if we've ordered too much we'll deliberately eat the things that won't taste good cold.  I can see MAYBE doing that on a ship.  But I really loathe wasting food so probably not.

[Aplmac]

1 minute ago, clo said:

But I've read people here who in the MDR

will order far more food than they will eat

because they want to "taste" different things. 

 

I suspect they are the exception, rather than the rule... Luckily!

 

I have not observed much in the way of leftovers in the MDR

but can't say that about the Lido buffet!!

[c-boy]

5 minutes ago, Aplmac said:

I think a lot more food gets wasted at the buffet, than in the MDR!

MDR helpings are about right, volume-wise

and after 3 courses, you're full!

 

Buffet diners tend to take way more than they can really handle

and I've seen leftovers galore on Lido -I don't know about you.......

some entertainment value in that .. "Buffet diners tend to take way more than they can really handle ".  Most I witnessed try to completely devour whats before them. 

[navybankerteacher]

2 hours ago, Aplmac said:

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That's what Royal's Environmental Officer told us about food waste

- that it is pulverised to the point of being a liquid!

 

It'll probably do more

to feed smaller fish and perhaps tiny planktonic organisms

than larger fish.....

 Of course the larger fish depend upon the smaller and the plankton - so, the food chain being what it is, if you feed the plankton you also feed the baleen whales. 

[chengkp75]

5 hours ago, Aplmac said:

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That's what Royal's Environmental Officer told us about food waste

- that it is pulverised to the point of being a liquid!

 

It'll probably do more

to feed smaller fish and perhaps tiny planktonic organisms

than larger fish.....

It actually has the consistency of oatmeal.  It is ground up in "pulpers" which are large industrial garbage disposals, located at each dishwashing machine, and several other locations around the food prep area.  The pulper system either circulates water around to all the pulpers, or uses a vacuum system similar to the toilets to bring the ground food to a central "de-watering" station, where the water is forced out of the ground food, and the paste is stored in tanks until they can pump it overboard.  The water is recirculated back up to the pulpers.  There is also usually one pulper equipped with a "bone crusher" which is a hydraulic press that can crush most bones up to a cow hip joint.

[Tom47]

I am encouraged by the recycling activities aboard ships.  I watched a "Mighty Cruise Ships" episode aboard an RCI ship which showed their recycling.  All very impressive.

[Aplmac]

4 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

I am encouraged by the recycling activities aboard ships. 

I watched a "Mighty Cruise Ships" episode aboard an RCI ship

which showed their recycling.  All very impressive.

 

Things have changed BIGLY in the last two decades or so!

It's not what it used to be, unless you choose to live in the past.

[clo]

35 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

I am encouraged by the recycling activities aboard ships.  I watched a "Mighty Cruise Ships" episode aboard an RCI ship which showed their recycling.  All very impressive.

We were on a Hurtigruten ship in March and all the plastic trash can liners were compostable.

[hallasm]

Norway has a high focus on emission from cruise ships - New regulation from next year with strict limits on emission - from 2026 no emission will be allowed in the Norwegian Heritage Fjords  - only hybrid/electrical propulsion allowed.

Norway challenges the cruise industry to operate emission free

[clo]

25 minutes ago, hallasm said:

Norway has a high focus on emission from cruise ships - New regulation from next year with strict limits on emission - from 2026 no emission will be allowed in the Norwegian Heritage Fjords  - only hybrid/electrical propulsion allowed.

Norway challenges the cruise industry to operate emission free

Good for them.  I wonder if that has anything to do with the Hurtigruten's Midnatsol being 'retired' from it current routes.

Edited July 3, 2019 by clo

[clo]

22 minutes ago, clo said:

Good for them.  I wonder if that has anything to do with the Hurtigruten's Midnatsol being 'retired' from it current routes.

Oops, not Midnatsol.  Lofoten.

[Tom47]

We have been. on two Hurtiigruten cruises, Antarctica and Norwegian coastal

[clo]

39 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

We have been. on two Hurtiigruten cruises, Antarctica and Norwegian coastal

We also.  And loved them both enormously.

[clo]

23 hours ago, Tom47 said:

DW and I still do land tours and road trips, but cruises are convenient.

And those have an impact of course.  I try to justify Amazon Prime by saying 'hey, I'm keeping my car off the road.'

[Tom47]

24 minutes ago, clo said:

And those have an impact of course.  I try to justify Amazon Prime by saying 'hey, I'm keeping my car off the road.'

Land tours and road trips have a smaller carbon footprint pp than cruises.  

[clo]

10 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

Land tours and road trips have a smaller carbon footprint pp than cruises.  

Per person?  I'm just curious.  

[Tom47]

5 minutes ago, clo said:

Per person?  I'm just curious.  

I read the article a while back.  A bus with 45 people uses much less carbon than a cruise ship with 4500 people, pp.  Try Google.

[clo]

14 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

I read the article a while back.  A bus with 45 people uses much less carbon than a cruise ship with 4500 people, pp.  Try Google.

Just what I was looking for.  Then you get into cooking, etc.  Interesting question.

[Tom47]

19 minutes ago, clo said:

Just what I was looking for.  Then you get into cooking, etc.  Interesting question.

See     https://grist.org/living/you-thought-planes-burned-a-lot-of-carbon-say-hello-to-cruise-ships/

 

We also have Amazon Prime.  We do cruises, road trips and bus tours based on itinerary, not carbon footprint.

[hallasm]

6 hours ago, clo said:

Oops, not Midnatsol.  Lofoten.

Special requirements for Hurtigruten Costal routes by January 2021 - by then all coastal route ships must be LNG power hybrid ships. At the same time Havila Kystruten will start operating 4 ships with four weekly departures from Bergen while Hurtigruten only will have 7 ships in operation.

Edited July 4, 2019 by hallasm

[chengkp75]

9 hours ago, Tom47 said:

Land tours and road trips have a smaller carbon footprint pp than cruises.  

Apples to oranges.  For a land trip, you have to add the carbon footprint of your hotel, restaurants, night clubs, and amusement parks to the simple transportation effect.