clo Posted February 28, 2020 #26 Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, susiesan said: Baltic cruise on Marina June 26. Flight to CPH and home from ARN with UA FF miles on AC and SAS airlines. The only way I am not going is if O cancels the cruise. I would be refunded by O and I can redeposit the miles for a fee which would likely be waived if all airlines stop flying to Europe. After this cruise, 10 day safari in Namibia in September. Still planning on that vacation. I just booked a 1 week Tahiti cruise with Windstar for next January and I am not having second thoughts. I will carry on traveling as I have been for 50+ years until I am forced to stop by government edict. If that happens, we are all doomed. So even if WHO/CDC/whomever recommend against certain types of travel you'll just go forward with what YOU think is the right thing to do. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted February 28, 2020 #27 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, clo said: So even if WHO/CDC/whomever recommend against certain types of travel you'll just go forward with what YOU think is the right thing to do. Wow. As long as airlines are flying and cruise ships are sailing and I can get to where I want to go, yes, I will take my chances and travel. I'm not going to hole up in my house quivering in fear. I will take whatever precautions I can to stay healthy. You only live once, and I won't live in fear from an overhyped virus scare. I travelled in Vietnam in 2004 during the SARS outbreak with no problems. If I don't fly or take a cruise then that leaves car travel only, eliminating international travel. CDC recommendations are just that, everyone has to decide for themselves what they can tolerate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted February 28, 2020 #28 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, susiesan said: I won't live in fear from an overhyped virus scare. Gosh, please tell me the source for that. Considering that I worked at CDC a lifetime ago and they were and are very conservative in their warnings, *I* would heed their warnings. I'm pretty science based so I try to separate my emotions from the facts. I guess you're not. Bless your heart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zesty Italian Posted February 28, 2020 #29 Share Posted February 28, 2020 It never ceases to amaze me how some people think warnings don't apply to them! Won't wash their hands correctly/or at all, heed hurricane or fire evacuations (list goes on). Then they expect others to risk their lives to save them and at taxpayer expense. On a non emotional note, does anyone know if the virus is still clustered in the northern areas or has it spread to Rome? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted February 28, 2020 #30 Share Posted February 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Zesty Italian said: It never ceases to amaze me how some people think warnings don't apply to them! Won't wash their hands correctly/or at all, heed hurricane or fire evacuations (list goes on). Then they expect others to risk their lives to save them and at taxpayer expense. On a non emotional note, does anyone know if the virus is still clustered in the northern areas or has it spread to Rome? I'm not familiar with this site but it does have some info and a map https://www.thelocal.it/20200228/map-which-parts-of-italy-are-affected-by-coronavirus-outbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted February 28, 2020 #31 Share Posted February 28, 2020 What do you think about this response in NZ after a single documented case 😦: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocruiseguy Posted February 29, 2020 #32 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Zesty Italian said: It never ceases to amaze me how some people think warnings don't apply to them! Won't wash their hands correctly/or at all, heed hurricane or fire evacuations (list goes on). Then they expect others to risk their lives to save them and at taxpayer expense. On a non emotional note, does anyone know if the virus is still clustered in the northern areas or has it spread to Rome? Even ignoring the obvious health concerns and potential changes in itinerary etc, if you go to an area that is currently being impacted will any of the areas/things you want to experience like tourist sites, museums etc actually be open?The first thing that seems to be happening where outbreaks are prevalent is closing of places where the public can gather. Whats the point of being a tourist if you can't experience the places you are traveling to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocruiseguy Posted February 29, 2020 #33 Share Posted February 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Paulchili said: What do you think about this response in NZ after a single documented case 😦: I'd say that headlines like that are why we all lost of lot of our net worth in the markets the last few days..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseanon32 Posted February 29, 2020 #34 Share Posted February 29, 2020 13% of Americans have already changed travel plans due to coronavirus, survey says From CNN Business' Chris Isidore About one American in eight surveyed says they have already canceled or changed travel plans due to concerns about the novel coronavirus. The survey was conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation and polled about 1,200 adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zesty Italian Posted February 29, 2020 #35 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Thanks Clo. It was helpful. I agree with the comment about visiting and tourist sites being closed. Noticed last night that some things in Rome were cancelled. Wouldn't be much point in our trip if that's the case. Now we wait to see if Oceania cancels it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted February 29, 2020 #36 Share Posted February 29, 2020 https://virologydownunder.com/so-you-think-youve-about-to-be-in-a-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR2iPXhlloZECFBteQlJ0SdBAkH0Gk9hNpAQKqNitjeRHlhbFwtXq7ToO7c#header-toggle-sidebar 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bbtondo Posted February 29, 2020 #37 Share Posted February 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Zesty Italian said: Thanks Clo. It was helpful. I agree with the comment about visiting and tourist sites being closed. Noticed last night that some things in Rome were cancelled. Wouldn't be much point in our trip if that's the case. Now we wait to see if Oceania cancels it. I agree. Waiting for Oceania's response to this. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted February 29, 2020 #38 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, bbtondo said: I agree. Waiting for Oceania's response to this. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-italy Not just O. All of the cruise lines are gearing up for the spring/summer Med season. I did a quick scan of Med cruises in March-May on one of the consolidator sites. Wow, are there some great last minute deals to be had. Example: 12 night May 2 Rome to London on Norwegian Escape $389 for an inside, $694 for balcony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bbtondo Posted February 29, 2020 #39 Share Posted February 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, susiesan said: Not just O. All of the cruise lines are gearing up for the spring/summer Med season. I did a quick scan of Med cruises in March-May on one of the consolidator sites. Wow, are there some great last minute deals to be had. Example: 12 night May 2 Rome to London on Norwegian Escape $389 for an inside, $694 for balcony. I do realize that this doesn't just affect O. My cruise is on O which is why I posted here. I love a great deal, that's for sure! This is my first trip to the Med. With the CDC Level 3 for Italy, the current possibility of: getting sick, closed ports, closed museums, closed tourist attractions, airlines denying boarding, etc. My choice would be to cruise another time when there is not a situation that is changing day by day that may affect my plans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted February 29, 2020 #40 Share Posted February 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, susiesan said: Example: 12 night May 2 Rome to London on Norwegian Escape $389 for an inside, $694 for balcony. This presumably gives you an idea of their normal profit margin (assuming that they would not sell a cabin at a loss - why would they), If you were to sell a cabin at a loss you might as well leave it empty IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted February 29, 2020 #41 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I wonder what Countries will be "open for business" in the next few months In Toronto 2 new cases in 2 days one travelled from Iran & one from Egypt The list of infected Countries is growing https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 I am not "the sky is falling" type person but I would be more aware of people around me now It may be prudent no matter where you travel out of the Country that you self isolate for 2 weeks on your return JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisingxpert Posted February 29, 2020 #42 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) We are on Riviera March 31st transatlantic ending in Rome so I did a search of other cruise lines going to Italy in the near future. Costa Luminosa is leaving Fort Lauderdale on March 5th and going to Venice. Here is a Costa update from yesterday. Statement from costa cruises Feb 28... RE: Update on your upcoming Grand Transatlantic & the Alps Cruise Tour on 3/5/2020 A health alert was issued on February 26, 2020 for regions of Lombardy, Piedmont, Veneto, and Friuli Venezia Giulia in Italy, due to the coronavirus. The U.S. Embassy in Rome recommends individuals “follow Italian health official guidance and avoid the government designated affected areas”. Full consular services continue to be available in Rome, Milan, Florence, and Naples. Preventative measures to limit the spread of the virus are in effect through March 1 in Milan, Genoa, Venice and Turin. These measures include the closure of museums, schools, and some shared tours or activities. Note at this time the port and airport in Venice are operating per normal. Our operations team and our travel partners in Europe and Costa Cruises are monitoring the situation and travel advisories published by the U.S State Department, World Health Organization (WHO) and the impact they may have on your trip. At this time, Costa Cruises has indicated that the itinerary is scheduled to operate as planned. We are in discussions with our partners regarding your disembarkation and planned overnight in Venice, Italy. We will communicate updates or itinerary changes if necessary to ensure your health and safety in this port. Currently standard Terms & Conditions regarding cancellation apply. Please CLICK HERE for the precautions Costa Cruises is taking in relation to the Coronavirus (COVID-19) and a full description of the embarkation guidelines that will be taken for your upcoming cruise. Edited February 29, 2020 by cruisingxpert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoHoHo Posted February 29, 2020 #43 Share Posted February 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, LHT28 said: I wonder what Countries will be "open for business" in the next few months In Toronto 2 new cases in 2 days one travelled from Iran & one from Egypt The list of infected Countries is growing https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 I am not "the sky is falling" type person but I would be more aware of people around me now It may be prudent no matter where you travel out of the Country that you self isolate for 2 weeks on your return JMO Yes, but WHEN will you get home. Yesterday (?) I saw some surrounding countries trains not allowing pax that have been through Lombardy or was it Veneto region. Will the airline one has booked for the flight home take them unless they self quarantine in an "acceptable" place for a couple of weeks? Many moving parts to this puzzle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoHoHo Posted February 29, 2020 #44 Share Posted February 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, cruisingxpert said: At this time, Costa Cruises has indicated that the itinerary is scheduled to operate as planned. We are in discussions with our partners regarding your disembarkation and planned overnight in Venice, Italy. Intesting information, Catherine Based on the name of the cruise I assume that they will overnight in Venice and then be "safely" whisked away for the rest of the trip on a land tour of the Alps . Hard to tell but maybe that overnight was to be on land. I suspect bus them Mestre and have to stay in isolation at the hotel for the night? Talk about forging ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbers Posted February 29, 2020 #45 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 12:07 AM, clo said: Considering that I worked at CDC a lifetime ago and they were and are very conservative in their warnings, *I* would heed their warnings. I'm pretty science based so I try to separate my emotions from the facts. I hear you--I also used to work for HHS and while I am not a scientist, I know how science works. Disease does not care whether you vote red or blue, or believe in germ theory. Disease just IS, and it will infect as it evolved to do. The risk is large, and spreading. And even if you do manage to take a lovely driving tour of France or wherever, what fun will you have if all the restaurants and churches and museums are closed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted February 29, 2020 #46 Share Posted February 29, 2020 58 minutes ago, YoHoHo said: Yes, but WHEN will you get home. Yesterday (?) I saw some surrounding countries trains not allowing pax that have been through Lombardy or was it Veneto region. Will the airline one has booked for the flight home take them unless they self quarantine in an "acceptable" place for a couple of weeks? Many moving parts to this puzzle Agree Where do the cruise lines/airlines etc.. draw the line & still stay in business Some ports are not even allowing ships to dock even if no one is sick Yes a very troubling situation world wide Off topic sort of The latest case in Toronto they were able to fly to Canada... even a woman arrived from China last week ..how did that happen ? Anyway we all have to decide what is best for us I wish everyone travelling will be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted February 29, 2020 #47 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Now a state department level 4 warning about travel to certain regions of Italy and South Korea:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/us-expands-iran-travel-restrictions-over-coronavirus-raises-advisory-for-regions-in-south-korea-and-italy.html Also, anyone foreign nationals who have been in Iran will not be allowed entry to thee US, same as Chinese nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted February 29, 2020 #48 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Debbers said: I hear you--I also used to work for HHS and while I am not a scientist, I know how science works. Disease does not care whether you vote red or blue, or believe in germ theory. Disease just IS, and it will infect as it evolved to do. The risk is large, and spreading. And even if you do manage to take a lovely driving tour of France or wherever, what fun will you have if all the restaurants and churches and museums are closed? Quite eloquent. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted February 29, 2020 #49 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, LHT28 said: Yes a very troubling situation world wide Indeed. We have a trip in a month that starts in Norway, then to Paris, then to Seattle. It does give me pause. We're going and will see what's going on as we go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ORV Posted March 14, 2020 #50 Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 2:57 PM, clo said: Indeed. We have a trip in a month that starts in Norway, then to Paris, then to Seattle. It does give me pause. We're going and will see what's going on as we go on. Clo, did you fall off Cruise Critic? After posting all the time it's odd to see you not here for the past couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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