ljason913 Posted May 20, 2020 #1 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Since there cancelling July cruises were booked on symphony for two weeks in aug should I just cancel it we didn’t book flights yet to avoid dealing with the airlines but I heard when they start up cruising they will do it slowly with smaller ships first test the waters what are your thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted May 20, 2020 #2 Share Posted May 20, 2020 If you dont want to wait for rcl to cancel, you could and take the fcc for your deposit or move it to another date or lift and switch. Carnival is only sailing 8 ships out of 3 ports in august so good chance rcl will cancel eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted May 20, 2020 #3 Share Posted May 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, ljason913 said: Since there cancelling July cruises were booked on symphony for two weeks in aug should I just cancel it we didn’t book flights yet to avoid dealing with the airlines but I heard when they start up cruising they will do it slowly with smaller ships first test the waters what are your thoughts They will start slowly. Not necessarily smaller ships. I would think the opposite as there is more passenger space on the larger ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljason913 Posted May 20, 2020 Author #4 Share Posted May 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: They will start slowly. Not necessarily smaller ships. I would think the opposite as there is more passenger space on the larger ships. I listened in and he did mention smaller ships first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 20, 2020 #5 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just moved a September 24th 2020 from Bayonne, NJ sailing to a March 2022 sailing from Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted May 20, 2020 #6 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, ljason913 said: I listened in and he did mention smaller ships first Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 20, 2020 #7 Share Posted May 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: They will start slowly. Not necessarily smaller ships. I would think the opposite as there is more passenger space on the larger ships. What easier taking care of though a 1000 people on a ship that holds cabin for 2000 people or a ship that built for 5000 people carrying 2500 people.( I'm assuming passenger totals for the sailings will be 50%. Chances of catching virus might be less too with fewer people onboard. I assume each ship has just about the same amount of medical people on board. I think I would take my chances on a smaller ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted May 20, 2020 #8 Share Posted May 20, 2020 They way I see it you have 3 options. 1. Straight cancel (assuming you are fully refundable) 2. Lift/shift into next year 3. Make final payment, wait for cancel, and hope for a 125% credit to apply to bring cost down for next year. Since you have not bought airfare yet you can wait on that till very close in. It all comes down to if you can afford to tie up the funds for the sailing for almost a year or not to take option 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted May 20, 2020 #9 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jimbo said: What easier taking care of though a 1000 people on a ship that holds cabin for 2000 people or a ship that built for 5000 people carrying 2500 people.( I'm assuming passenger totals for the sailings will be 50%. Chances of catching virus might be less too with fewer people onboard. I assume each ship has just about the same amount of medical people on board. I think I would take my chances on a smaller ship. If you run with 50% load factor in each case it is still more space per passenger on the larger ship and a lot easier to social distance. Also since a lot of ports will be out there is more to do on the large ships. Also nothing stopping them from maybe going with 1500 on a large ship . Larger ships have Had a much larger medical staff In the past. Edited May 20, 2020 by Ourusualbeach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 20, 2020 #10 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: If you run with 50% load factor in each case it is still more space per passenger on the larger ship and a lot easier to social distance. It's the care from medical staff I would be worried about...........going to be the same amount of doctors and nurses on each ship. Social distancing in a cabin is the same no matter what ship you are on when you are quarantined after the first person gets sick...........so what does open spaces on a large ship really mean? You won't be allowed out of your cabin on the first hint of an issue.............I take my chances with less people. Edited May 20, 2020 by Jimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
later Posted May 20, 2020 #11 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Strange how we all hear things differently. I never heard him say smaller ships first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted May 20, 2020 #12 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, later said: Strange how we all hear things differently. I never heard him say smaller ships first. I would 'assume' these have lower total operation cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwokpot Posted May 20, 2020 #13 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Larger ships have a lower breakeven load factor. They only need 30% occupancy to breakeven on a new, larger ship. 50% Occupancy for smaller, older ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwokpot Posted May 20, 2020 #14 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, dodgestang said: I would 'assume' these have lower total operation cost. not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted May 20, 2020 #15 Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, kwokpot said: not true Well....it is only an assumption 😉 An assumption that can be extended 😉 maybe previous break even model/published info doesn't not take into account additional costs around covid-19 activities......like cleaning efforts/supplies during sailings decon between sailings personnel requirements to support screening at various ports of calls Unknown/TBD costs that may be assessed at various ports of call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwokpot Posted May 20, 2020 #16 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, dodgestang said: Well....it is only an assumption 😉 An assumption that can be extended 😉 maybe previous break even model/published info doesn't not take into account additional costs around covid-19 activities......like cleaning efforts/supplies during sailings decon between sailings personnel requirements to support screening at various ports of calls Unknown/TBD costs that may be assessed at various ports of call The corporate executive literally discussed this just now. Whatsmore they discussed that fleet departures would certainly accelerate due to the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted May 20, 2020 #17 Share Posted May 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, dodgestang said: They way I see it you have 3 options. 1. Straight cancel (assuming you are fully refundable) 2. Lift/shift into next year 3. Make final payment, wait for cancel, and hope for a 125% credit to apply to bring cost down for next year. Since you have not bought airfare yet you can wait on that till very close in. It all comes down to if you can afford to tie up the funds for the sailing for almost a year or not to take option 3 Option 4, you can move any cruise even with nonrefundable deposit to another date without penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted May 20, 2020 #18 Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 hours ago, ljason913 said: Since there cancelling July cruises were booked on symphony for two weeks in aug should I just cancel it we didn’t book flights yet to avoid dealing with the airlines but I heard when they start up cruising they will do it slowly with smaller ships first test the waters what are your thoughts We are just letting our cruises ride and wait for the cruise line to cancel them and taking the cancellation compensation. At then end of the day, if the cruise ends up going on schedule, we'll pay a bit more for airfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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