mrlevin Posted July 23, 2020 #1 Share Posted July 23, 2020 This is a photo of Monarch (ex Monarch of the Seas) and Sovereign (ex Sovereign of the Seas) beached at Aliaga Turkey to begin breaking up. Carnival Fantasy and Carnival Inspiration are speeding to Turkey to meet the same fate. Carnival Corporation has already disposed of 10% of their 110 ship fleet; RCI (through Pullmantur) has also started the process. What NCLH ships will meet the same fate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #2 Share Posted July 23, 2020 In this interview, Mr. del Rio indicated One thing Del Rio doesn’t envision is ship retirements, at least for his company’s brands. “We have the youngest fleet in the industry by far,” he noted. “The average age of our ships is 10 years, so we are far from retiring any vessels.” https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2756415-scrapping-of-cruise-ships/ After lunch I'll see if I can find ages for each of the NCLH subs to see how they figured the average age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #3 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Regent ships per Wikipedia (pasta is boiling, LOL) Ship Built Builder Gross Tonnage Flag Image Seven Seas Navigator 1999 T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy 28,550 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Voyager 2003 T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy 42,363 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Mariner 2001 Chantiers de l'Atlantique, Saint-Nazaire, France 48,075 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Explorer 2016 Fincantieri, Sestri Ponente, Genova 54,000 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Splendor 2020 Fincantieri, Ancona[3] 55,254 GT Bahamas Future Ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #4 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Oceana via icruise site 6 Oceania Cruises Ships Ship Name Built Size Capacity Itineraries Details Insignia 4 / 16 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 350 cabins 684 guests 47 More Marina 4 / 44 Ratings 2016 66,084 tons 629 cabins 1,250 guests 69 More Nautica 4 / 12 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 60 More Regatta 4 / 43 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 54 More Riviera 4 / 19 Ratings 2012 66,084 tons 629 cabins 1,250 guests 74 More Sirena 4 / 12 Ratings 2000 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted July 23, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Kitty thanks for the data; NCLH does have a very young fleet indeed; no need for the scrappers. I wonder, then, which ships will enter cold layup for a year or more (like the two additional Carnival ships)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy The Wanderer Posted July 23, 2020 #6 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) I get an average of about 14 years for Regent. About 16 for Oceania. Guess the NCL fleet must be much younger. Ahem. Edited July 23, 2020 by Wendy The Wanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #7 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I guess my question would be, depending on how things go, which of the ships in any lines could be operated under 'COVID' guidance with the best return on investment, if NCLH had to decide to either scrap, sell, or put into long term cold storage. Or, which ship could be sold for the best return, perhaps. Hard decisions, I'd think. Not sure age alone is the determinant? I don't believe NCLH breaks out profitability by line, by ship, or at least I haven't tripped over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #8 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Well, I didn't cross check the websites to confirm accuracy of data. I know I keep saying this, but I wonder if the 2Q earnings report, which still hasn't had a date announced, will provide a little more context for a lot of questions. Like cold layups, etc. And now my pasta is cooked! Happy afternoon, all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellaggio Cruisers Posted July 23, 2020 #9 Share Posted July 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, greykitty said: Well, I didn't cross check the websites to confirm accuracy of data. I know I keep saying this, but I wonder if the 2Q earnings report, which still hasn't had a date announced, will provide a little more context for a lot of questions. Like cold layups, etc. And now my pasta is cooked! Happy afternoon, all! You are quite the busy one, doing all this heavy research. Enjoy your lunch break..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greykitty Posted July 23, 2020 #10 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Google helps so much with searching these days - sure better than sitting in the library staring at microfiche as I did back in the olden days. Have a good evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaj girl Posted July 23, 2020 #11 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, greykitty said: Regent ships per Wikipedia (pasta is boiling, LOL) Ship Built Builder Gross Tonnage Flag Image Seven Seas Navigator 1999 T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy 28,550 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Voyager 2003 T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy 42,363 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Mariner 2001 Chantiers de l'Atlantique, Saint-Nazaire, France 48,075 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Explorer 2016 Fincantieri, Sestri Ponente, Genova 54,000 GT Bahamas Seven Seas Splendor 2020 Fincantieri, Ancona[3] 55,254 GT Bahamas Future Ships Correction: Explorer & Splendor are flagged in Majuro, Marshall Islands Edited July 23, 2020 by Kwaj girl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroy Posted July 23, 2020 #12 Share Posted July 23, 2020 The websites and videos of the ship scrapyards and beaches in third world countries are so depressing.......particularly when you see what's left of some of the ships you've sailed on!🤕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted July 23, 2020 Author #13 Share Posted July 23, 2020 My first cruise ship never made it to the breakers, it sank off Cape Town while being towed to Alang. Britanis was a wonderful ship; it actually served as a troop carrier during WWII before it eventually went to Chandris (which is now Celebrity). Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaj girl Posted July 24, 2020 #14 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, mrlevin said: My first cruise ship never made it to the breakers, it sank off Cape Town while being towed to Alang. Britanis was a wonderful ship; it actually served as a troop carrier during WWII before it eventually went to Chandris (which is now Celebrity). Marc We sailed the Britannis once when we lived in FL mid-'90's. OLD but classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WNcruiser Posted July 24, 2020 #15 Share Posted July 24, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 12:45 PM, greykitty said: Oceana via icruise site 6 Oceania Cruises Ships Ship Name Built Size Capacity Itineraries Details Insignia 4 / 16 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 350 cabins 684 guests 47 More Marina 4 / 44 Ratings 2016 66,084 tons 629 cabins 1,250 guests 69 More Nautica 4 / 12 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 60 More Regatta 4 / 43 Ratings 1998 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 54 More Riviera 4 / 19 Ratings 2012 66,084 tons 629 cabins 1,250 guests 74 More Sirena 4 / 12 Ratings 2000 30,277 tons 351 cabins 684 guests 66 Marina is older than Riviera. I believe she was built in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted July 24, 2020 #16 Share Posted July 24, 2020 WNcruiser - of course you are correct. There were a few errors in icruise's listing but they are a travel agency. If I wanted to learn when a ship was built, I would check with the cruise line website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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