M8VER3 Posted June 6, 2021 #226 Share Posted June 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Kokomo91165 said: We cruise in suites. That is just 1 cruise we paid for knowing vaccines would be REQUIRED. That must be a very nice Suite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lr657 Posted June 6, 2021 #227 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Goodtime Cruizin said: Same here. The defined sepreration of the cruisers is a downright scary thought. It's not scary. Everyone has different opinions and that's the way it should be. The issue is that some people seem to take a superior "know it all" attitude and therefore insult those who don't think the same. It would help if posters would actually consider what others are trying to say instead replying with nasty comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted June 6, 2021 #228 Share Posted June 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kokomo91165 said: I hope they allow cash refunds for our cruises. I have $25,000+ that I want back. Not in a FCC. Maybe reread the OPs first post. FCC future credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted June 6, 2021 #229 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Florida to stop issuing daily reports on COVID cases, deaths, vaccinations (palmbeachpost.com) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFerrington Posted June 6, 2021 #230 Share Posted June 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said: Might as well just put a tattoo on the foreheads. 6 6 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser52forever Posted June 6, 2021 #231 Share Posted June 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Disney Cruise Lines hasn't Sorry, I took that as to he was talking about Disney world not dcl. Dcl is not that big of a presence in the cruising world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toocruisin2 Posted June 6, 2021 #232 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RFerrington said: So it is entirely possible that a fully vaccinated person could well bring COVID onto a ship. If everyone is not tested prior to boarding how would you ever know for sure that COVID is not present on a sailing ? So even though an "outbreak" may have been started by a fully vaxxed passenger, it is the unvaxxed that will surely get blamed, even though the unvaxxed will have been tested prior to boarding and NOT be permitted onto the ship, if they test positive (which is entirely correct and fair....so long as it is not a false positive). Yeah, that sounds fair.... If the vaxxed can be "carriers" and the unvaxxed are going to be required to be tested, it is only logical that EVERYone should be tested prior to boarding. We cannot permit those "ticking time bomb" vaccinated carriers to be admitted freely onto the ship !! No problem for me; although I’m vaccinated, if I have Covid I’d sure like to know before I get on a ship with three days at sea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 6, 2021 #233 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RFerrington said: So it is entirely possible that a fully vaccinated person could well bring COVID onto a ship. If everyone is not tested prior to boarding how would you ever know for sure that COVID is not present on a sailing ? So even though an "outbreak" may have been started by a fully vaxxed passenger, it is the unvaxxed that will surely get blamed, even though the unvaxxed will have been tested prior to boarding and NOT be permitted onto the ship, if they test positive (which is entirely correct and fair....so long as it is not a false positive). Yeah, that sounds fair.... If the vaxxed can be "carriers" and the unvaxxed are going to be required to be tested, it is only logical that EVERYone should be tested prior to boarding. We cannot permit those "ticking time bomb" vaccinated carriers to be admitted freely onto the ship !! Latest data and studies have shown fully vaccinated people have minimal chance of spreading Covid to others; much less than un-vaxxed people. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted June 6, 2021 #234 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I would like someone to fill in these questions for me. 1. How many people are there in the world? 2. How many people have died from Covid? 3. What is the result of calculating #2 divided by #1? 4. What does that number represent? 5. What is the number if you multiply that by 100? 6. What does that number represent? Until you can answer those questions, absorb them and come to grips with reality, there are just going to be a lot of us sitting on the sidelines shaking our heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 6, 2021 #235 Share Posted June 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, dswallow said: Use SeaPass cards with a different color for vaccinated passengers. Hum. What about Pinnacle and Suite cards? They have a different color than the regular cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted June 6, 2021 #236 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 minute ago, pinnacleking2021 said: since covid is so scary and deadly why don't we report other deadly diseases that everyone seems to forget exist Because they are not at a pandemic level and they may not be spreadable to each other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lr657 Posted June 6, 2021 #237 Share Posted June 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, dswallow said: The Nassau departures of Adventure of the Seas are all vaccinated 16 and older; and departures on August 1 and later require all passengers 12 and over be vaccinated. All the nonsense of allowing non-vaccinated passengers who could otherwise be vaccinated aboard are for the planned US sailings. I realize that and was replying to John's question regarding Adventure. Actually the Royal website had the same vaccination requirements specifically stated for all US sailings showing on their website until Friday evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted June 6, 2021 #238 Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) Still waiting for an answer to this: I would like someone to fill in these questions for me. 1. How many people are there in the world? 2. How many people have died from Covid? 3. What is the result of calculating #2 divided by #1? 4. What does that number represent? 5. What is the number if you multiply that by 100? 6. What does that number represent? Edited June 7, 2021 by wingatesl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 7, 2021 #239 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Colorado Babe said: I wish folks would stop posting inaccurate information. Our dear friend got the Covid jab (Moderna) and got COVID after his second one (March). He was very ill and continues to get even worst. He has been waiting almost 30 days to see a doctor/cardiologist and who knows if he will make it. He has bruising all over his body and cuts won't heal. Lots of heart palpitations and other things going on. You can get COVID after vaccination. Please, turn off MSM. No one is saying there are no break through Covid infections. In fact, MSM has reported as such. The breakthrough infection rate for fully vaccinated people is 0.009%. That is an EXTREMELY LOW percentage but, agree, it is NOT ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toocruisin2 Posted June 7, 2021 #240 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RFerrington said: So it is entirely possible that a fully vaccinated person could well bring COVID onto a ship. If everyone is not tested prior to boarding how would you ever know for sure that COVID is not present on a sailing ? So even though an "outbreak" may have been started by a fully vaxxed passenger, it is the unvaxxed that will surely get blamed, even though the unvaxxed will have been tested prior to boarding and NOT be permitted onto the ship, if they test positive (which is entirely correct and fair....so long as it is not a false positive). Yeah, that sounds fair.... If the vaxxed can be "carriers" and the unvaxxed are going to be required to be tested, it is only logical that EVERYone should be tested prior to boarding. We cannot permit those "ticking time bomb" vaccinated carriers to be admitted freely onto the ship !! BTW, in this instance a 95% efficacy rate means that in a group of 1000 vaccinated people, 950 will be Covid free for at least 3 months, and 50 people would test positive for Covid at some point during the 90 days. Later her reports are that the efficacy was still very high at 9 months, Dr. Gottlieb a CNBC contributor said he expects the published number will be higher than 85%. That means on Ship with 4000 crew and guests vaccinated exactly 9 months ago, you could have 600 people who had Covid at one time during during the prior 270 day period. The odds of running into one on a ship and catching Covid is remote even for an unvaccinated pax. Edited June 7, 2021 by toocruisin2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lr657 Posted June 7, 2021 #241 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, wingatesl said: Still waiting for an answer to this: I would like someone to fill in these questions for me. 1. How many people are there in the world? 2. How many people have died from Covid? 3. What is the result of calculating #2 divided by #1? 4. What does that number represent? 5. What is the number if you multiply that by 100? 6. What does that number represent? Nobody owes you an answer. Most people know the numbers as it has been discussed in the news for over a year. Sort of an outdated topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFerrington Posted June 7, 2021 #242 Share Posted June 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, mauraoel said: And in my humble opinion the under 12 demographic will be the majority of unvaccinated In truth, I think you are probably right on this. There is a lot of rending of cloth and gnashing of teeth with the thought of hordes of marauding unvaxxed onboard, but truly I too believe that the vast majority of any unvaxxed will be the underaged demographic. I will be among the few (IMHO) who are adult unvaxxed....if they allow us to cruise...but I do believe our numbers will be very small. I will wear their scarlet letter or henna tattoo and I will follow their rules. Believe it or not, I'm not to be feared ! I am on a proven prophylaxis and have been for some time. If COVID comes on board, it will not be with me or my husband ! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted June 7, 2021 #243 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, lr657 said: Nobody owes you an answer. Most people know the numbers as it has been discussed in the news for over a year. Sort of an outdated topic. Yeah, they kinda do. We are still having the same discussions right now and it is beyond obvious that anyone supporting this sham has not actually done the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted June 7, 2021 #244 Share Posted June 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, M8VER3 said: Hum. What about Pinnacle and Suite cards? They have a different color than the regular cards. Cards can be manufactured multicolor. Make one half of the card pink and leave the other half as whatever color coding it currently uses. Or put a colored border around the entire card, both sides. Or alternating colors. These are not the difficult issues. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 7, 2021 #245 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Tree_skier said: And you believe this is so based on what information? Read about the latest CDC guidelines for vaccinated cruise ship passengers HERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 7, 2021 #246 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, dswallow said: Cards can be manufactured multicolor. Make one half of the card pink and leave the other half as whatever color coding it currently uses. Or put a colored border around the entire card, both sides. Or alternating colors. These are not the difficult issues. 🙂 No way I want a pink card. 😎 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lr657 Posted June 7, 2021 #247 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, wingatesl said: Yeah, they kinda do. We are still having the same discussions right now and it is beyond obvious that anyone supporting this sham has not actually done the math. No, I think the main discussion is about the differences between cruising on a vaccinated or unvaccinated ship. Protocols and required precautions will likely be different and many would not be needed if the ship was 95% vaccinated. Nobody is afraid of catching Covid. There is no sham. CDC and shipboard rules will need to be followed no matter what anyone feels about Covid or the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted June 7, 2021 #248 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I just don't understand why we are arguing about something that statistically has affected less than 1% of the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted June 7, 2021 #249 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John&LaLa said: Disney Cruise Lines hasn't Yeah, was thinking OP referring to Disney Cruise, not Parks Edited June 7, 2021 by ONECRUISER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted June 7, 2021 #250 Share Posted June 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, M8VER3 said: That must be a very nice Suite. Such a bargain (7-night Odyssey, 12/26/2021), price is for solo traveler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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