Question for Unvax'd who have July/August/Sept Carnival cruises booked...

[PRNole47]

4 hours ago, surfone said:

With the restrictions and the "what ifs"  it would be too stressful IMO to book a cruise if unvax.  I think very few people would want to risk being turned away at the port,  or getting to a scheduled port and not being able to debark due to that Countries COVID guidelines,  and having to wear a mask while 95 percent of remaining passengers don't, and being restricted to certain areas.   Going with all passengers vaxed during the first few months of initial cruising is in the best interest to the cruiselines and passengers for monetary, health and less stress reasons.

That's my whole point. I'm fully vacc'd and live my life right now as if in 2019, masking only when businesses or municipalities require it. Not concerned about becoming infected on board, but only if a sizeable percentage of unvacc'd pax become infected, say, 5% of ship's total unvacc'd pax (maybe 50 or 75-100 total?). Then what happens to the quality of the cruise, i.e., if not allowed to disembark at ports, or have to curtail days at sea and head for home because even that # of pax would overwhelm the medical staff, etc. So far, PCL has not published it's "what if" protocol and how they'd handle infected pax, so I have no clue what to expect once at sea and pax begin to contract Covid (because, maybe, someone became infected inside that 3-day window between being tested negative and coming on board).

[PRNole47]

1 hour ago, sm3ds said:

The nation does not just consist of adults....Cruise lines have designed all their new ships for family's not for old people. They were counting on the family market. Maybe they can get the old people to play laser tag, bumper cars and ride the rollercoaster. I don't know, but I'm guessing they prefer the smaller ships. 

 

It will be interesting to see how Disney handles this, but it doesn't appear they are in any hurry to jump into the fire. They'll sit back and watch all the other cruise lines make fools of themselves.  

 

Here's a link that will give you an idea of how narrow your view is about the cruise industry and to whom it markets its ships. You'll find a wide variety of lines and ships that attract certain age groups, type of entertainment they offer, general cuisine on board, ports of call, etc., that attract one age group vs another.  Cruise Lines by Type | Fodor's Travel (fodors.com)

[cruisegus]

from the CDC 63% have at least on shot (that would imply they will also get their 2nd shot)

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

this will still go up some more over time

 

[sm3ds]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I'm guessing you are very very young. I'm older and do NOT prefer the smaller ships. I loved Oasis and cant wait for allure. I love rides. I did the sky ride on vista, I love bumper cars and roller coasters. If mardi gras goes out of Galveston count me in on the roller coaster. I dont think age has a thing to do with loving rides. 

 

Do you know any older people? I've hiked in Hawaii and to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and love adventure. People might change in looks but they are the same inside as they were before. Wait until you get older, maybe you wouldnt post nonsense. Air boats, so fun. Belize  speed boats in cozumel. Bring it on. 

 

I do feel bad for families. 

I’m not very young, but I do have teens and I know what they like on a cruise ship and it’s not Hal. 

[sm3ds]

1 hour ago, PRNole47 said:

Here's a link that will give you an idea of how narrow your view is about the cruise industry and to whom it markets its ships. You'll find a wide variety of lines and ships that attract certain age groups, type of entertainment they offer, general cuisine on board, ports of call, etc., that attract one age group vs another.  Cruise Lines by Type | Fodor's Travel (fodors.com)

How is that article any different than what I just said. Are you saying the roller coasters and laser tag is to market for the 80 year olds?

[sm3ds]

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Nobody is getting unvaccinated and I believe is higher than 41%, but even 41% of 238 million is still over 134 million - plenty of people to fill every cruise ship many times over for years.

You really think 134 million people take cruises. Com’on Man. 

[sm3ds]

1 hour ago, amcankid said:

Once again you’re showing the me first attitude that most anti- vaxxers show.

To say the fragility is not your problem makes it a problem for all. Whether you care if you ever go on another cruise or not doesn’t mean the rest of us are as ambivalent to cruising.

And most of us who do want the cruise industry to survive and thrive understand the importance of doing all that can be done to avoid a serious outbreak which would effectively shut the industry down.

I could care less whether you choose to get vaccinated outside of anything cruise related. If you shop at Walmart and later that week you get extremely sick, Walmart will continue to thrive. 
Not so if either on the ship or shortly after the cruise. They will trace it back to the ship and shut it down for thorough cleansing. And if enough passengers get sick? Goodbye cruise industry for another few months, some permanently. 
Not that you care, cause you could take or leave what we passionately love!

How many cruises have you been on. 

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

You really think 134 million people take cruises. Com’on Man. 

It only takes a few million to keep the industry going.

[BlerkOne]

11 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

I’m not very young, but I do have teens and I know what they like on a cruise ship and it’s not Hal. 

HAL ain't just for wheelchairs these days.

[sm3ds]

3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

It only takes a few million to keep the industry going.

Like someone said on here  most of the 135million  are over the age 60 and they the ones that cruise. That has not been my experience when I cruise, but I pick the ships that are best suited for kids and families. 
Anyway I think it’s a pointless argument because the cruiselines will drop the mandates in a couple of months anyway. 

[cruisingguy007]

5 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Like someone said on here  most of the 135million  are over the age 60 and they the ones that cruise. That has not been my experience when I cruise, but I pick the ships that are best suited for kids and families. 
Anyway I think it’s a pointless argument because the cruiselines will drop the mandates in a couple of months anyway. 

 

Good point. If all is well halfway through flu season and there isn't a resurgence of covid or some crazy variant, It's very likely to be loosened if case rates continue to drop precipitously. There will come a point where it doesn't make sense or risk minimal/none.     

Edited June 9, 2021 by cruisingguy007

[stellarose]

Carnival is a family ship for us.  For us the Mardi Gras was a check on everyone's list- son (19) wanted the roller coaster.  daughter (17) wanted the sky course - ropes. mom (me) (age undefined lol) wanted the heated lounge chairs in spa. hubby wanted casino.so lets cruise!!!!! (all vaccinated too)

[rmorlock]

I am booked at the end of August out of Miami with my three kids.  We are all vaccinated except my youngest who is 10 so in ineligible.  We are hoping that kids under 12 will be allowed on with a negative test or masking.  

 

 

[amcankid]

31 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

How many cruises have you been on. 

I don’t go on as many as I would like, but we also payed for our kids, even when they became adults (also our grandkids twice) so most of the time pretty expensive. We travel a couple of times a year overseas but to answer you question, my wife and myself have 10 cruises under our belt with two more scheduled in the next year.

Both will be just her and me cause everyone has different schedules these days.

But even if I only cruised once or if I cruised 50

times, I want to see the cruise industry survive. Don’t see how you can condemn me for that.

[PRNole47]

58 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Are you saying the roller coasters and laser tag is to market for the 80 year olds?

I imagine if an 80 y/o believes s/he would like to rock climb, play laser tag, drive go carts, use a jet powered backpack to fly around the decks, or go up in a tethered hot air balloon or some other type of game or activity, s/he'd look for the ships that offer that.

[sm3ds]

54 minutes ago, PRNole47 said:

I imagine if an 80 y/o believes s/he would like to rock climb, play laser tag, drive go carts, use a jet powered backpack to fly around the decks, or go up in a tethered hot air balloon or some other type of game or activity, s/he'd look for the ships that offer that.

I'm sure they would and if a 13 year old boy wanted to sit in a quiet place and read a book they'd choose a cruise for that, but those examples would be outside the norm. 

[sm3ds]

1 hour ago, amcankid said:

I don’t go on as many as I would like, but we also payed for our kids, even when they became adults (also our grandkids twice) so most of the time pretty expensive. We travel a couple of times a year overseas but to answer you question, my wife and myself have 10 cruises under our belt with two more scheduled in the next year.

Both will be just her and me cause everyone has different schedules these days.

But even if I only cruised once or if I cruised 50

times, I want to see the cruise industry survive. Don’t see how you can condemn me for that.

My 16 year old and I  have been on 25 cruises since 2010. Many of them international.  Not being able to cruise has not been the end of the world. In fact I really haven't missed it. We've enjoyed some other  vacations and I'm looking forward to checking some other trips off the bucket list.   

 

I don't condemn anyone for wanting to see the cruise industry survive, but I don't feel any obligation to help them. The way they've acted the last two weeks I really I don't care if they survive or not. I still haven't given up on Disney they seem to be the only adult in the room right now.

If were going to get the jab next year just to travel it's going to be for something that's worth it like a river cruise, African safari or trip to Japan. I won't get it for any cruise out of the U.S. 

Edited June 10, 2021 by sm3ds

[Moviela]

I think the only protected class of adults eligible for unrestricted cruising are those who have a reasonable, articulated, medical reason for avoiding the vaccine. A doctor's letter without such a restricted statement would be as effective as slapping a pet shop service animal vest on your pooch and trying to board. 

[Prismism]

My family and I have two cruises booked. Breeze in September, and Mardi Gras in December. We are not getting vaccinated. We are not "anti-vaxers" either. We are people who choose fun.

[firefly333]

3 hours ago, Prismism said:

My family and I have two cruises booked. Breeze in September, and Mardi Gras in December. We are not getting vaccinated. We are not "anti-vaxers" either. We are people who choose fun.

You might have a issue then with the sept cruise. Imo the cso which expires the end of oct is why. And let's hope the cdc let's it expire and stops dictating the percentage vaccinated or we might have to wear masks.

 

Yes I think it's the cdc in charge right now out of texas. I saw john heald comment they cant deliver the kind of cruise they want unless they go vaccinated. People dont want to wear masks. Getting down to that 5% might be tough. I've seen posts elsewhere the reason to charge for the test is also maybe to discourage unvaxxed from cruising.  

[mpdog42]

13 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I'm guessing you are very very young. I'm older and do NOT prefer the smaller ships. I loved Oasis and cant wait for allure. I love rides. I did the sky ride on vista, I love bumper cars and roller coasters. If mardi gras goes out of Galveston count me in on the roller coaster. I dont think age has a thing to do with loving rides. 

 

Do you know any older people? I've hiked in Hawaii and to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and love adventure. People might change in looks but they are the same inside as they were before. Wait until you get older, maybe you wouldnt post nonsense. Air boats, so fun. Belize  speed boats in cozumel. Bring it on. 

 

I do feel bad for families. 

Mic Drop......

[mpdog42]

9 hours ago, sm3ds said:

My 16 year old and I  have been on 25 cruises since 2010. Many of them international.  Not being able to cruise has not been the end of the world. In fact I really haven't missed it. We've enjoyed some other  vacations and I'm looking forward to checking some other trips off the bucket list.   

 

I don't condemn anyone for wanting to see the cruise industry survive, but I don't feel any obligation to help them. The way they've acted the last two weeks I really I don't care if they survive or not. I still haven't given up on Disney they seem to be the only adult in the room right now.

If were going to get the jab next year just to travel it's going to be for something that's worth it like a river cruise, African safari or trip to Japan. I won't get it for any cruise out of the U.S. 

Disney is the adult in the room? Disney is the very "woke" adult in the room...At least Carnival has a special event for Military and Veteran's...Seen that on Disney???

[kaycee711]

The one group of people that no ever mentions is the ones that had Covid and recovered. We also have immunity. Have you looked up the confirmed reinfections? Lastest number is around 66 and how many people got it? This shows the immunity is real. I’m not getting a vaccine because I have health issues and I have no idea if it would aggravate them. Don’t worry, I canceled my cruise. No attacks needed just giving another point of view.

[Flytko]

1 hour ago, kaycee711 said:

The one group of people that no ever mentions is the ones that had Covid and recovered. We also have immunity. Have you looked up the confirmed reinfections? Lastest number is around 66 and how many people got it? This shows the immunity is real. I’m not getting a vaccine because I have health issues and I have no idea if it would aggravate them. Don’t worry, I canceled my cruise. No attacks needed just giving another point of view.

 

Thank you!!!!!

 

 I have been lurking for the last week on my phone, and you are right, there is almost nothing mentioned about the people that had and recovered from COVID.  My family and I had it over the Christmas holidays, thankfully very mild, my wife tested for antibodies last month and found out that she still had them. Her doctor told her that you have antibodies, it's not logical to get the vaccine.  I plan on having getting the test as well.

 

We did travel to Disney not long after we recovered, and despite all of their protocols, everyone had a great time.  It was plenty crowded for being at 35 percent capacity, we had no issues at all with flying and being in the parks.

 

  Unfortunately, everyone is high and mighty on the vaccine talk and forgets that there are plenty of people who recovered and have immunity.  I booked for an August cruise on the Breeze last week with the intent that Carnival was going to go the test cruise route.  Now, I am really reconsidering what to do.  I was able to push back my final payment until next month just to see what they say for the August cruises.  If they do the exemption list, we could get our 5 yr old twins on it, but I know we wouldn't make it since no one bats an eye at natural immunity.

 

 We were really hoping on cruising, but with the uncertainty and the collective mood I have been seeing, we will probably wait. 

 

Go ahead and flame away........  Just my 2 cents

[Joebucks]

18 hours ago, volfan22701 said:

don't think there will be any problems filling to whatever capacity they are at all cruises for the next 6 months or so. there are plenty of vaccinated cruisers, and in the older age groups the vaccinated percentage is way higher than your 41% and this age group makes up a lot of the repeat cruisers. we cruise sometimes 3 times a year and would only do an all vaccinated cruise as would most all the older generation.

 

16 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Nobody is getting unvaccinated and I believe is higher than 41%, but even 41% of 238 million is still over 134 million - plenty of people to fill every cruise ship many times over for years.

 

While in theory, there should be some strong demand built up, when you automatically disqualify half of society, that's going to hurt. Period. It's also a big assumption that all of the vaccinated people feel completely comfortable to cruise right now either.