harkinmr Posted June 11, 2021 #151 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kearney said: I do wonder about false positives. Royal just announced that on their AOS sailings out of Bahamas (which we have booked) that they will be testing all passengers..even vaccinated ones before boarding. This is more conservative than what I have seen in some CDC guidance... and fine...except that if there is a relatively high likelihood of false positives...how would you feel being vaccinated and finding out in the Bahamas that you are testing positive. What do they do if you get yourself tested before leaving home...and your results conflict with their results?? This was not a case of false positive. Both individuals were tested again and confirmed positive. False positives are relatively rare. False negatives are the true problem. They also test again by PCR to confirm a positive antigen test. AOS will do the same. https://thepointsguy.com/news/celebrity-millennium-cruise-ship-covid/ Edited June 11, 2021 by harkinmr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medtech71 Posted June 11, 2021 #152 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, cltnccruisers said: So why not have the subject blow his nose then retest? That might be a bit simplistic, I suppose. I’ve been tested twice and never been asked to ‘blow my nose’ before swabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted June 11, 2021 #153 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dwight1 said: Two things this event suggests: 1. Cruises need 100% vaccinated passengers, sorry Fl and Tx Govs, 2. Vaccinated individuals getting covid around a .0007% incidence rate. Two occur in same cabin? Statistics indicate something may be wrong here. Falsified vaccine status is a possibility. 😏 Edited June 11, 2021 by harkinmr 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys2Heaven Posted June 11, 2021 #154 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dwight1 said: Two things this event suggests: 1. Cruises need 100% vaccinated passengers, sorry Fl and Tx Govs, 2. Vaccinated individuals getting covid around a .0007% incidence rate. Two occur in same cabin? Statistics indicate something may be wrong here. I find it very odd statistically that two vaccinated people in the same cabin would both test positive. This has been bugging me all night. I mean think about what this means in terms of vaccine efficacy. 1. How did these passengers show proof? 2. Which vaccine did they receive? 3. How long ago were they vaccinated? Edited June 11, 2021 by Keys2Heaven 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare AbbyCruiser45 Posted June 11, 2021 #155 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) A close contact from an excursion has tested negative according to Facebook and have been released from their cabin. Anyone that is surprised by cases on board doesn’t understand how vaccines work. What does show how vaccines work is so far the two that tested positive haven’t spread it to anyone. Good news so far and demonstrates why we need vaccinated sailings. Edited June 11, 2021 by AbbyCruiser45 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted June 11, 2021 #156 Share Posted June 11, 2021 12 hours ago, s0479 said: You can still get infected if vaccinated. Just shouldn’t happen as often or as bad. That's what they say. And some vaccinated people seem to test pos shortly after getting the shots although not sick ..Happened to a friend who had to isolate for 10 days and re test . Result was neg on re test. We are all part of a "big uncontrolles study"...l still lots to be learned ...on land and sea! Hopefully they will figure it all out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare AbbyCruiser45 Posted June 11, 2021 #157 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Keys2Heaven said: I find it very odd statistically, that two vaccinated people in the same cabin would both test positive. This has been bugging me all night. I mean think about what this means in terms of vaccine efficacy. 1. How did these passengers show proof? 2. Which vaccine did they receive? 3. How long ago were they vaccinated? Or they socialize together regularly and both spent the same amount of time with the likely unvaccinated covid infected individual and there’s not some higher level conspiracy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbette165 Posted June 11, 2021 #158 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, medtech71 said: I’ve been tested twice and never been asked to ‘blow my nose’ before swabbing. UK guidelines do say that you should blow your nose first - see 2:46 here How to do a COVID-19 Self Test (rapid antigen test) - YouTube 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted June 11, 2021 #159 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, medtech71 said: I’ve been tested twice and never been asked to ‘blow my nose’ before swabbing. I did say it was a simplistic idea - but maybe not without merit. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted June 11, 2021 #160 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) People are all worrying about cruises being 95-100 fully vaccinated. However do you realize that everyday you are walking around...dining...grocery shopping....whatever with a much much less percentage of vaccinated people surrounding you. Also while I hear everyone concerning about the "cruise ship" being fully vaccinated ....you do realized that you are going to some "port stops" that have very few vaccinated people. I just recently watched a video blog from a vendor/resident of Cozumel that stated the vaccine there is very hard to come by and few in Cozumel are vaccinated. Edited June 11, 2021 by bajathree 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted June 11, 2021 #161 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) Just now, bajathree said: double pot Edited June 11, 2021 by bajathree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys2Heaven Posted June 11, 2021 #162 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, AbbyCruiser45 said: Or they socialize together regularly and both spent the same amount of time with the likely unvaccinated covid infected individual and there’s not some higher level conspiracy. Statistically speaking, two breakout cases at the same time should raise some legitimate questions and concerns. Conspiracy? Is that what asking questions means nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted June 11, 2021 #163 Share Posted June 11, 2021 12 hours ago, K.T.B. said: So I wonder how they got infected if they're truly vaccinated.... My daughter, a doctor, says it's because it's not a vaccine in the true sense. Meaning it wasn't really designed to prevent the infection but more to make the symptoms of the infection less severe. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare AbbyCruiser45 Posted June 11, 2021 #164 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Keys2Heaven said: Statistically speaking, two breakout cases at the same time should raise some legitimate questions and concerns. Conspiracy? Is that what asking questions means nowadays? I don’t understand why people are surprised two people that are sharing a cabin both tested positive. They socialize together and spend a lot of time together. Again, breakthrough cases happen more often than we think, they’re just not detected because people often don’t get tested. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted June 11, 2021 #165 Share Posted June 11, 2021 We're on a August 27 ABC cruise on Equinox. We'll get tested on the 25th then drive partway on the 26th and hit Ft Lauderdale early on the 27th. I believe that test on the 25th will be within the required window. But anything can happen on the drive down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted June 11, 2021 #166 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, AbbyCruiser45 said: I don’t understand why people are surprised two people that are sharing a cabin both tested positive. They socialize together and spend a lot of time together. Again, breakthrough cases happen more often than we think, they’re just not detected because people often don’t get tested. Exactly....this cruise is like a lab study with all the testing they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted June 11, 2021 #167 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I feel like we will hear this more and more as fully vaccinated cruises start up in Florida and other US ports. Because the cruise industry is so heavily scrutinized (unfairly?), it will be a great case study in vaccine efficacy and human behavior. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney Posted June 11, 2021 #168 Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, harkinmr said: This was not a case of false positive. Both individuals were tested again and confirmed positive. False positives are relatively rare. False negatives are the true problem. They also test again by PCR to confirm a positive antigen test. AOS will do the same. https://thepointsguy.com/news/celebrity-millennium-cruise-ship-covid/ Good to know makes me feel a lot better...thanks.... So if these two people are confirmed... and breakthrough cases are rare... seems really rare to have two in the same cabin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCAubs Posted June 11, 2021 #169 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Cruise Critic also has an editor onboard who has shared her experience -- here's a link: https://www.cruisecritic.com/ab/agents/variation-a/news/6183/?preview=1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted June 11, 2021 #170 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, cltnccruisers said: We're on a August 27 ABC cruise on Equinox. We'll get tested on the 25th then drive partway on the 26th and hit Ft Lauderdale early on the 27th. I believe that test on the 25th will be within the required window. But anything can happen on the drive down. If you are from the US getting on a cruise ship that departs the US I don't believe you are required to be tested if you are fully vaccinated and show proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulh84 Posted June 11, 2021 #171 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said: My daughter, a doctor, says it's because it's not a vaccine in the true sense. Meaning it wasn't really designed to prevent the infection but more to make the symptoms of the infection less severe. A doctor says this?? It is a vaccine. A true vaccine. A real vaccine. Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose. The virus is SARS-CoV-2. The disease is COVID-19. You can have the virus without the disease, which is what the vaccination does. Edited June 11, 2021 by paulh84 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted June 11, 2021 #172 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, bajathree said: If you are from the US getting on a cruise ship that departs the US I don't believe you are required to be tested if you are fully vaccinated and show proof. That's correct. But the US is requiring a negative test for those entering the country. Has this requirement been waived for cruise ship passengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antropos Posted June 11, 2021 #173 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said: My daughter, a doctor, says it's because it's not a vaccine in the true sense. Meaning it wasn't really designed to prevent the infection but more to make the symptoms of the infection less severe. Exactly. That is why I don't understand why they test vaccinated people in the first place. IMHO that is pointless. The vaccines just make sure that whoever gets the virus doesn't get sick. Also, there is hardly a chance that vaccinated people spread the virus. However, vaccinated people can still attract the virus when they come into contact with unvaccinated people; and they can still carry the virus with them for a short amount of time. It won't harm them, they won't develop symptoms and they most certainly won't end up needing medical care (unless they have an underlying condition that reinforces certain things). But... they do get tested positive for up to a few days. Just to be clear, that is not a false positive; it's a real positive and repeating the test leads to the same result: positive. But, medically, that is not a big deal since they don't get sick and don't spread the virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted June 11, 2021 #174 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, paulh84 said: A doctor says this?? It is a vaccine. I was answering a question from a fellow poster to the best of my knowledge. Not here to argue or change minds. I'm here because I love cruising and want this to work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted June 11, 2021 #175 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said: That's correct. But the US is requiring a negative test for those entering the country. Has this requirement been waived for cruise ship passengers? I believe the only people who need to be tested are those flying into the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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