chengkp75 Posted March 12, 2022 #101 Share Posted March 12, 2022 22 hours ago, ChiefMateJRK said: The more the better, for those of us concerned that she might not resume sailing due to lack of crew. The decision to move back to Hawaii was based on comparative docking costs, airline costs for crew, and whether the crew would have their documentation ready in time, and the need to get back to the islands and start the supply chain rolling again. As with most things, most of what the POA uses is brought from the mainland, including the fuel, at significant cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 cruisers Posted March 12, 2022 Author #102 Share Posted March 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Unfortunately, NCL tried to hire Hawaiians when the US flag operation first started, back in 2004. It didn't end well, and ended quickly. The aloha spirit of laid-back, stress-free life, did not mix well with a cruise ship hospitality environment, and being bound to the ship for months. I get it!!!! Still love their culture and music! Shaka Brah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 cruisers Posted March 12, 2022 Author #103 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I forgot that Hawaii has quite a tie to Oregon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted March 13, 2022 #104 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: The decision to move back to Hawaii was based on comparative docking costs, airline costs for crew, and whether the crew would have their documentation ready in time, and the need to get back to the islands and start the supply chain rolling again. As with most things, most of what the POA uses is brought from the mainland, including the fuel, at significant cost. Are you suggesting that they're going there three weeks in advance to save money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 13, 2022 #105 Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said: Are you suggesting that they're going there three weeks in advance to save money? I'm saying that they balanced out whether it would cost more to wait in Oregon for more crew, or more to fly crew to Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 cruisers Posted March 14, 2022 Author #106 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/12/2022 at 3:02 PM, chengkp75 said: The decision to move back to Hawaii was based on comparative docking costs, airline costs for crew, and whether the crew would have their documentation ready in time, and the need to get back to the islands and start the supply chain rolling again. As with most things, most of what the POA uses is brought from the mainland, including the fuel, at significant cost. If they are indeed doing a couple of test cruises, it really isn't too soon to have her in Hawaii. April 9th is quickly approaching! I was also thinking that airfare to Hawaii is pretty reasonable at this time to have crew boarding in Hawaii! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 14, 2022 #107 Share Posted March 14, 2022 It may seem reasonable until you start buying a couple hundred tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 cruisers Posted March 14, 2022 Author #108 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: It may seem reasonable until you start buying a couple hundred tickets. But feeding the crew for the crossing can't be cheap either! We can fly to Hawaii from California for less than flying to Vegas! One way tickets in bulk must be exceptionally reasonable. Any way they can get it done is fine with me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted March 14, 2022 #109 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I just paid $9.00 for a gallon of milk and $7.99 for 4 sticks of butter and that is cheap compared to produce prices 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 14, 2022 #110 Share Posted March 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: It may seem reasonable until you start buying a couple hundred tickets. If they actually needed to buy a couple of hundred tickets it undoubtedly would be cheaper to charter an aircraft rather than flying on a scheduled flight or flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 14, 2022 #111 Share Posted March 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, 4 cruisers said: But feeding the crew for the crossing can't be cheap either! We can fly to Hawaii from California for less than flying to Vegas! One way tickets in bulk must be exceptionally reasonable. Any way they can get it done is fine with me!!! Let's say that there are 200 crew to decide whether to fly or send on the ship. From Boston to Honolulu (remember, the crew comes from all across the US), it is around $320/person. Giving a merchant mariner's discount (not sure if they still give those out) of say 25%, that is $240/person, or $48,000 in tickets. Using the GSA's per diem table, for Honolulu, it is $119/person for meals. Using the standard restaurant figure of 30% food cost (and trust me, the crew eats for that), that equals $35/person times 7.5 days is $260/person, or $52,000. So, it is about a wash. 22 minutes ago, njhorseman said: If they actually needed to buy a couple of hundred tickets it undoubtedly would be cheaper to charter an aircraft rather than flying on a scheduled flight or flights. If they were all coming from one location, yes, but they would still have to get everyone to the starting point of the charter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 14, 2022 #112 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: If they were all coming from one location, yes, but they would still have to get everyone to the starting point of the charter. You book cheap short haul scheduled flights to a single central location to the extent possible and then run a charter from that location to HNL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted March 14, 2022 #113 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I really don't care how the crew gets to the ship. I just want to hear that they are indeed on the ship sometime soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't-use-real-name Posted March 15, 2022 #114 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Another question ? Would NCL have enough of a crew to run a cruise from i.e. Portland to Honolulu one-way ? This of course to enable selling that leg to NCL guests. I am not thinking of a skeleton crew with just the buffet and a cafe open for dining but all the other on board restaurants and full service stateroom service - Realize the POA does not have a Casino but there are other entertainment options. OK Portland is not the origin boarding city - maybe Seattle or San Francisco probably a better gathering boarding port - - - Interesting to see how this plays out - AND wish I was on that unusual one time cruise ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 15, 2022 #115 Share Posted March 15, 2022 52 minutes ago, don't-use-real-name said: Another question ? Would NCL have enough of a crew to run a cruise from i.e. Portland to Honolulu one-way ? This of course to enable selling that leg to NCL guests. I am not thinking of a skeleton crew with just the buffet and a cafe open for dining but all the other on board restaurants and full service stateroom service - Realize the POA does not have a Casino but there are other entertainment options. OK Portland is not the origin boarding city - maybe Seattle or San Francisco probably a better gathering boarding port - - - Interesting to see how this plays out - AND wish I was on that unusual one time cruise ! I believe POA is limited by law to only doing inter island Hawaii cruises with the possible exception of returning to the mainland for drydock. @chengkp75knows the precise limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 15, 2022 #116 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, njhorseman said: I believe POA is limited by law to only doing inter island Hawaii cruises with the possible exception of returning to the mainland for drydock. @chengkp75knows the precise limitation. This is correct, I'm not sure how CBP would interpret the two year shutdown as a "shipyard" period, but there was work done in Portland, so it would likely be considered returning from a shipyard. Whether or not NCL would want to jump into a soft opening on a crossing from the West Coast is a question only they can answer. Similarly, whether they have enough crew for that only they can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 15, 2022 #117 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: This is correct, I'm not sure how CBP would interpret the two year shutdown as a "shipyard" period, but there was work done in Portland, so it would likely be considered returning from a shipyard. Whether or not NCL would want to jump into a soft opening on a crossing from the West Coast is a question only they can answer. Similarly, whether they have enough crew for that only they can say. Obviously since the ship is already underway to Hawaii, scheduled to arrive on Friday, and since NCL made no attempt to sell that return cruise to passengers the questions are just academic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 cruisers Posted March 15, 2022 Author #118 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Well news from NCL a few minutes ago! Here is the letter: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveller20074 Posted March 16, 2022 #119 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 9:54 AM, 4 cruisers said: No buffet? Well news from NCL a few minutes ago! Here is the letter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose1 Posted March 16, 2022 #120 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Traveller20074 said: The Aloha Cafe is a buffet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98420934 Posted March 18, 2022 #121 Share Posted March 18, 2022 PoA has completed her journey from Oregon, and is now moored alongside her usual berth at pier 2 in Honolulu. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare www3traveler Posted March 18, 2022 #122 Share Posted March 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, 98420934 said: PoA has completed her journey from Oregon, and is now moored alongside her usual berth at pier 2 in Honolulu. YEAH!!! Thank you for posting this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacation44 Posted March 18, 2022 #123 Share Posted March 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, 98420934 said: PoA has completed her journey from Oregon, and is now moored alongside her usual berth at pier 2 in Honolulu. Wonderful news--thanks for letting us know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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