Conjecture---Why Cruise Passengers Go Missing

[kitty9]

Seeing that another passenger has recently gone missing, on Carnival, what do all of you see as being the primary reason these things happen? Stupidity, alcohol, insavory persons on board ships, personal problems or anything else?

[land lover]

!. Personal problems and stupidity which usually involves alcohol.

 

2. Freak accident

[dkjretired]

in the past several years they generally involve alcohol and surprisingly suicide...Here is a good link to various people going missing... A couple suicides involve losing in the casino.

 

http://www.cruisejunkie.com/Overboard.html

[dmarch@islc.net]

A couple suicides involve losing in the casino.

How high do you think that fall is? I've jumped a few times at Rick's in Jamaica. Seems about the same height as a ship. I would think it would a long, slow way to go unless you were sucked up by the ship. Ouch

[dorisday]

My opinion is this topic is in Serious Bad Taste...:mad: :mad:

 

Fact - passengers can & do go missing, overboard or otherwise

Fact - everyone has their own reason & we should not speculate

Fact - accidents happen at sea & on land

 

Major Fact - its the families & friends left behind who suffer the most

 

Think about those people before you post a reply to this topic

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[dkjretired]

My opinion is this topic is in Serious Bad Taste...:mad: :mad:

 

Fact - passengers can & do go missing, overboard or otherwise

Fact - everyone has their own reason & we should not speculate

Fact - accidents happen at sea & on land

 

Major Fact - its the families & friends left behind who suffer the most

 

Think about those people before you post a reply to this topic

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I see nothing wrong with discussing this topic. Sometimes a dose of reality is good. That is what these boards are for. The reality is most are caused by alcohol which is preventable. Should we not discuss cancer because its distasteful...

[lisiamc]

My opinion is this topic is in Serious Bad Taste...:mad: :mad:

 

Fact - passengers can & do go missing, overboard or otherwise

Fact - everyone has their own reason & we should not speculate

Fact - accidents happen at sea & on land

 

Major Fact - its the families & friends left behind who suffer the most

 

Think about those people before you post a reply to this topic

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Bad taste is in the eye of the beholder. I can't help being curious about why people go missing - it's part of human nature to wonder about these things. Not discussing death and disaster will not prevent it.

 

I can feel sad in theory for a person who goes overboard, and for their family, but if I'm not personally acquainted with them, I can't truly share their grief.

 

If you have had a friend or family member die in these circumstances, I can understand why you would rather not participate in a thread like this. Others may have different views.

 

Lisa

[WooKeef]

My opinion is this topic is in Serious Bad Taste...:mad: :mad:

 

Fact - passengers can & do go missing, overboard or otherwise

Fact - everyone has their own reason & we should not speculate

Fact - accidents happen at sea & on land

 

Major Fact - its the families & friends left behind who suffer the most

 

Think about those people before you post a reply to this topic

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I am certain the OP did not intend to offend anyone in any way. However, the motive behind the posting could be advantageous for cruisers. It is a risk and it is a good idea to remember as a passenger to be aware you are on a ship but crazy people cruise too and you should always be as safety conscious on a ship as you are when ashore.

It should be looked at as a public service announcement. Not meant to be insensitive. I am very sorry for the family and friends of these people, as well as the people themselves. I think improvements in Security training would go a long way as well(for the employees I mean)

[C 2 C]

I see nothing wrong with discussing this topic. Sometimes a dose of reality is good. That is what these boards are for. The reality is most are caused by alcohol which is preventable.

 

Obviously some of the hosts think so because several posts have gone overboard.:confused:

[Susan-M]

what do all of you see as being the primary reason these things happen?

 

I don't think there is a primary reason, but rather the variety of issues that you mention:

- accidents (involving alcohol, lack of common sense, or just bad luck),

- intentional (due to personal problems),

- and possibly the occasional incident of getting involved with an unsavoury person (although IMO pushing someone overboard is probably less common than other causes.)

 

Whatever the cause, it's a tragic way to die. There is a lot of publicity each time someone goes missing, but in reality, the number is extremely low considering how many poeple are cruising.

[momofmeg]

!. Personal problems and stupidity which usually involves alcohol.

 

2. Freak accident

 

I think suicide and no not a freak accident-I think sometimes people are so drunk they do stupid things.

 

they say the guy who fell off Mariner of the Seas last spring was vomiting because he was so drunk and he climbed up on the railing-I guess becuase he was trying not to barf on the ship-and he slipped and fell. Sober, a person would not have tried that.

 

Then I guess too there is murder-since they found blood on that Royal Caribbean ship of the Smith-honeymoon couple for that med cruise last year- I will always believe the wife had something to do with that. She was seen with another man dancing in a lounge and when the husband confronted her-she punched him. This was the same night/early monrining the husband disappeered. I am guessing he found her and another man in bed in their stateroom and he and that man got into a tussle on the balcony and he fell overboard. So maybe not actually murder, but that would be manslaughter at least. I feel bad Royal Caribbean had to pay that woman money. I am pretty sure she was either the direct or indirect cause of her husband's death and Royal Caribbean should not have been held responsible.

[WooKeef]

Obviously some of the hosts think so because several posts have gone overboard.:confused:

I think that a few of the comments, while intended to bring levity, was not taken well. I guess we should not be to sarcastic when dealing with deaths such as these.

[C 2 C]

I think that a few of the comments, while intended to bring levity, was not taken well. I guess we should not be to sarcastic when dealing with deaths such as these.

 

I was not being sarcastic. The only way to answer this question:

Conjecture---Why Cruise Passengers Go Missing

without offending someone is to say: Because they can't be found.

otherwise:

1) Suicide: It's not messy like many of the alternatives.

2) Murder: It's a great way to hide the body.

3) Being stupid: Non-survival of the unfit.

[Lois R]

Hi, interesting topic....you know we have never met but

I know you well enough over the years on here to know

your topic was NEVER intended to offend anyone.

 

Who knows why people do the things they do.

 

Nobody has said anything unfeeling about those who died.

And I don't believe anyone wishes that end on anyone.

 

DorisDay, I am truely sorry if you have lost a loved one

but we are on a cruise site and my opinon is the topic

is cruise related.

I guess we have 2 different view points on it.

 

I guess if the moderators feel it gets too

"far out there" they will step in here and say

something to us about it.

[kitty9]

Most certainly this topic wasn't meant to offend, and I don't understand why anyone would take it that way. I was with a group of 12 friends who do not cruise and they asked me this question when they read about the most recent Carnival disappearance. They wondered what goes on during a cruise that would cause a passenger to just disappear, no clues or anything. I speculated that it could be many things, over-drinking, immaturity, hanging with the wrong people, suicide and even foul play. I just wanted to see what others thought could be the cause of these incidents.

 

Thank you Lois for realizing that my post wasn't meant to harm. I think a lot of people wonder what goes on that would cause someone to disappear from what is usually happy time. I was on a cruise a couple of years ago when an elderly man jumped from a Crystal ship during the world cruise. You just have to wonder why anyone would do that. The reason some posts were removed is because one particular poster took it upon himself/herself to criticize the grammar of the topic.

[WooKeef]

The reason some posts were removed is because one particular poster took it upon himself/herself to criticize the grammar of the topic.

 

Of course we knew you didn't mean to offend anyone!:) I guess we all can't be English majors. I like to know if I have used something in the wrong context, but there is a way to do these things without belittling wouldn't you agree.

It is interesting that people commit suicide on these trips. Horrible actually. Things must have taken quite a turn to jump overboard on a vacation...especially one that is around the world.

[CGTNORMANDIE]

Suicide and murder have been taking place on ships since the dawn of time. In fact the rate is very small compared to hotels.

[momofmeg]

Most certainly this topic wasn't meant to offend, and I don't understand why anyone would take it that way. I was with a group of 12 friends who do not cruise and they asked me this question when they read about the most recent Carnival disappearance. They wondered what goes on during a cruise that would cause a passenger to just disappear, no clues or anything. I speculated that it could be many things, over-drinking, immaturity, hanging with the wrong people, suicide and even foul play. I just wanted to see what others thought could be the cause of these incidents.

 

Thank you Lois for realizing that my post wasn't meant to harm. I think a lot of people wonder what goes on that would cause someone to disappear from what is usually happy time. I was on a cruise a couple of years ago when an elderly man jumped from a Crystal ship during the world cruise. You just have to wonder why anyone would do that. The reason some posts were removed is because one particular poster took it upon himself/herself to criticize the grammar of the topic.

 

I guess I missed those posts becuase I did not se those.

 

but you know the only way I bleieve anyone could really just fall off a cruise ship is if the ship did a "Posiedon". There is got to be more to it then that.

[momofmeg]

Of course we knew you didn't mean to offend anyone!:) I guess we all can't be English majors. I like to know if I have used something in the wrong context, but there is a way to do these things without belittling wouldn't you agree.

It is interesting that people commit suicide on these trips. Horrible actually. Things must have taken quite a turn to jump overboard on a vacation...especially one that is around the world.

 

 

 

well that one poor woman on Voyager of the Seas a few years back had lost $3000 in the casino. Who knows? Maybe she had a major gambling problem and was was seriously in debt or something????????? I know I would have left the casino once I had lost $50 myself.

[Sky Sweet]

I think most of these tragedies at sea are caused by excessive use of alcohol for several different reasons. Alcohol impairs judgement, so someone under the influence might be prone to take risks that have tragic consequences. Even though a drink or two might be relaxing, alcohol is actually a depressant. Consequently, a person who suffers from depression to begin with, and has too much to drink, can actually become more depressed.

[cat616]

I would like to suggest FRAUD as a possible reason for the "disappearance" of some "missing" people.

 

There are:

1) Life insurance policies to collect from,

2) Cruise Lines to sue,

3) Creditors to hide from,

4) Spouses or family that one may wish to escape from,

5) A person could be running from the law or

6) Someone may just wish to start over again completely fresh.

 

Cindy

[Waterlily777]

I came across a video on these boards that made me understand the conditions that might lead to a fatal accident on a cruise ship. (An excess of alcohol + nausea + vertigo = ?)

 

WARNING: very coarse language on the soundtrack and titles of this video.

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6013796904912739346

[WooKeef]

I would like to suggest FRAUD as a possible reason for the "disappearance" of some "missing" people.

 

There are:

1) Life insurance policies to collect from,

2) Cruise Lines to sue,

3) Creditors to hide from,

4) Spouses or family that one may wish to escape from,

5) A person could be running from the law or

6) Someone may just wish to start over again completely fresh.

 

Cindy

That is VERY interesting. I could buy that one.:cool: But Alcohol is abused way to often as well and can definitely be a contributing factor.

[Sky Sweet]

I would like to suggest FRAUD as a possible reason for the "disappearance" of some "missing" people.

 

There are:

1) Life insurance policies to collect from,

2) Cruise Lines to sue,

3) Creditors to hide from,

4) Spouses or family that one may wish to escape from,

5) A person could be running from the law or

6) Someone may just wish to start over again completely fresh.

 

Cindy

 

Your theory is very interesting. Since people have mysteriously disappeared on land for such reasons, and eventually got caught in their scheme, I know there are people in this world who are unethical enough to carry out such a devious plan. However, I am not sure it can easily be done at sea unless the person is a very good swimmer and the ship was very close to land at the time.

[dkjretired]

Alien abductions are probably a big reason also.....