Goodie goodies vs. Rule benders.

[Warmer Climes]

I was brought up to be an honest person and I want to be a good role model for my kids. My father used to say "NOTHING is worth stealing."

[cruzin w chris]

Sounds yo me as if you are hoping there will be more "rule benders" than "saints", merely to justify YOUR rule breaking guilt !

not at all because i am as far away from feeling guilty as you can get.

[cruzin w chris]

ok, how about this scenario: how about the ones that physically go to the muster drill but are in such party mode that they dont even know how they got there and are paying absolutely no attention. is this bending the rules or completely abiding by them ?

[TheVegasMan]

ok, how about this scenario: how about the ones that physically go to the muster drill but are in such party mode that they dont even know how they got there and are paying absolutely no attention. is this bending the rules or completely abiding by them ?

Thyey are abiding, rules state that you have to show up. They were able to find the location, that's all that matters.

 

I'm a rule breaker. I willl (In no particular order):

 

Bring on alcohol simply to avoid paying $6.95 ($7.98 after tip) for a drink.

 

I will pass by a person that is taking too long in the buffet line if I don't want the item they are standing in front of.

[Pearlbill]

I don't necessarily abide by every rule. However,saying that, I am glad there are rules. It keeps things orderly.

 

Without "booze" rules, some people would bring caseloads of the stuff on board with them.

 

Without "chair saving rules" more people would have chairs tied up for the entire cruise.

 

Without "pop card" rules, one pop card could be used by a family of ten.

 

And so on.

 

I'm not saying,rules keep these things from happening, but rules/regulations/laws just help in keeping honest people honest. Rules are good reminders to use common sense and to have a bit of conscience. Think beyond your own little world.

 

Pearl

[Arwenmark]

I am absolutely in the follow the rules camp and proud of it. I also agree there is no bending that is just self justification.

I read the rules before I book a cruise and pick the cruise I want based on the kind of experience, based on the rules, that I should be able to expect. when a bunch of [insert unkind but appropriate word of choice here] break those rules it changes the experience for everyone else.

Some of the rules may impact my safety, such as no candles, irons etc. Some may affect my health such as smoking where prohibited, some certainly cause annoyance and loss of enjoyment.

The no smuggled booze rule is not JUST about revenue, though of course that is important but it is also about the cruiselines responsibility to keep passengers from OVER drinking and causing harm and or problems to other guests and crew and themselves.

 

There is NO legitimate reason for breaking the rules, only selfish indulgence plain and simple. and then trying to abdicate responsibility for your actions.

[Aquahound]

I will pass by a person that is taking too long in the buffet line if I don't want the item they are standing in front of.

 

Bravo. For the life of me, I can not figure out why people complain about this. You can darn well bet that if the person in front of me is building a salad masterpiece, I am going to go right by them. By passing that person, it helps the line behind me move faster.

[pris993]

An amusing discussion.

 

I have a different take on the rules issue, some of us march to a different drummer period. We make our own rules. I learned this from my husband who comes from a different cultural background. Til I met him, I generally followed rules. I have learned watching and following him that creating your own rules often pays off.

[Ingrid83]

I am absolutely in the follow the rules camp and proud of it. I also agree there is no bending that is just self justification.

 

There is NO legitimate reason for breaking the rules, only selfish indulgence plain and simple. and then trying to abdicate responsibility for your actions.

 

 

There are often rules which are poorly thought out, poorly worded, and/or discriminatory. Ideally, these should be brought up to the proper authorities and changed if possible, but that is often not the case. Often I bring up a rule that makes no sense, or cannot be followed to an establishment, and they wave their hands, "oh, we don't do that anymore." But they don't change the signs!

 

Ingrid 83

[English Teacher]

For those who believe that you can't bend the rules without breaking them must not be/or have very good lawyers.

 

Of course the rules can be modified, without breaking them . . . didn't we all just watch George Bush do that for 8 years?

 

How about sticking to the subject at hand and not getting into a political discussion? Speaking about following rules. . .

[tulsacubfan]

An amusing discussion.

 

I have a different take on the rules issue, some of us march to a different drummer period. We make our own rules. I learned this from my husband who comes from a different cultural background. Til I met him, I generally followed rules. I have learned watching and following him that creating your own rules often pays off.

 

Creating your own rules often pays off for who? You?

 

As Peralbill said "Rules are good reminders to use common sense and to have a bit of conscience. Think beyond your own little world."

[cruiserbryce]

we have shared a soda card...and will attempt some booze smuggling on our upcoming CCL cruise...I guess that makes us rule benders:rolleyes:

[45014]

we have shared a soda card...and will attempt some booze smuggling on our upcoming CCL cruise...I guess that makes us rule benders:rolleyes:

 

I thought I was the only one to admit to sharing a soda card. I must say, though, we did not do it consistently, my hubby drinks beer.

[G'ma]

i am on the rule bender side here as i have smuggled beer in my luggage onto the ship, and i have purchased a soda card and shared it with the whole family. i would like to know just how many of you havebent the rules ( even if only 1 minor offence ) and how many of you are saints.

 

No saints here. One either follows the rules or one doesn't.

 

"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters."

 

Easy enough.

[Silvery Seas Cruiser]

Bravo. For the life of me, I can not figure out why people complain about this. You can darn well bet that if the person in front of me is building a salad masterpiece, I am going to go right by them. By passing that person, it helps the line behind me move faster.

 

I absolutely agree with you on this. One time, however, I posted that same opinion in a similar discussion here a couple of years ago. The woman who posted after me said that I was more important than everybody else in my own mind!:eek:

 

No matter! I STILL jump ahead of folks delicately choosing each and every lettuce leaf and grated carrot for some fantastic salad.

[ikelmay]

Bravo. For the life of me, I can not figure out why people complain about this. You can darn well bet that if the person in front of me is building a salad masterpiece, I am going to go right by them. By passing that person, it helps the line behind me move faster.

 

Apart from the fact that a number of buffet stations are DESIGNED to accommodate several separate queues, I look on it that someone who makes the common sense decision to move further on is in fact helping the endless queue that has ground to a halt because of the salad artiste.

[rimau]

I do not believe moving around someone in the buffet line is breaking a rule. I would not break an actual rule, but until they post a sign, I will bypass that slow person.

[G'ma]

An amusing discussion.

 

I have a different take on the rules issue, some of us march to a different drummer period. We make our own rules. I learned this from my husband who comes from a different cultural background. Til I met him, I generally followed rules. I have learned watching and following him that creating your own rules often pays off.

 

Well, our prisons and jails are full of people who "march to a different drummer" and "make their own rules."

 

Can't imagine what the "pay off" would be for refusing to follow the rules the rest of society is expected to follow......

 

It's all about the "me" generation anyway, I guess.

[luddite]

I run with scissors.

[ovccruiser]

I try my hardest not to break the rules of the cruiseline as I would expect guests in my house to abide by my rules. Do as you would be done by, I think is the expression and I am not religeous. Just my two pennuf

[cruzin w chris]

I run with scissors.

lol

[NCTribeFan]

i am on the rule bender side here as i have smuggled beer in my luggage onto the ship, and i have purchased a soda card and shared it with the whole family. i would like to know just how many of you havebent the rules ( even if only 1 minor offence ) and how many of you are saints.

 

What possible difference can it make to anyone what any of the rest of us do?

 

If others "bend" the rules, does that mean that it's OK for everyone to do so, because that MUST mean that it's a "stupid" rule?

 

Slapping labels on people who don't behave as you do (calling the non-rule-breakers "goodie goodies") doesn't strengthen your argument.

 

Maybe you should've just labeled yourself a cheater and thief, to even things out, you know?

 

I just don't know why people find these threads entertaining. Who gives a crap what others do? If others do follow the rules, does that mean you'll change your ways? Doubtful. If "everyone is doing it," does that mean that the "goodie goodies" will start cheating? Probably not.

 

So what's the point, other than trying to validate the fact that you know you're cheating the cruiseline and want others to confirm that it's ok to do so.

 

You do what you want to do, and don't concern yourself with what your fellow passengers are doing It's none of your business, really.

[Kristi Williamson]

I try my hardest not to break the rules of the cruiseline as I would expect guests in my house to abide by my rules. Do as you would be done by, I think is the expression and I am not religeous. Just my two pennuf

 

While all this is well and good, I don't have rules in my house that states that you will pay EIGHT dollars for one finger of rum!! I'm a rule BREAKER on the alcohol rule. I DO buy some drinks from the cruiselines, however, I also bring ONE medium sized flask of alcohol and have some drinks on my balcony in the evenings. I don't apologize for it.

 

I own stock in Carnival AND RCI, so I do have a stake in how well they do. However, telling a grown adult that they MUST purchase your alcohol and then jacking the price up 500% isn't something I'm willing to abide by for 7-14 days. It's not gonna happen.

 

I don't purchase a soda card as the cruise lines allow you to bring your own soda. I can't imagine ANYONE purchasing these rediculously priced items. Why not just pay 4.99 for a 12 pack at the local Wal-mart and then bring them onboard? However, if they stopped this rule, I'd find some way to bring my own soda on board, as well. I'm NOT paying 3-5 dollars for 3/4 can of pop!

 

Frankly, I think too many people consider themselves "saints" when what they really are is a "doormat". Just because someone says you MUST do something, doesn't make it OK or reasonable. I think we SHOULD question some things that simply aren't reasonable. We pay thousands to cruise, we tip very well, we play WAY to much in the casino, we play bingo, we shop on the ships occasionally, etc...It's simply unreasonable to me to think that the cruise ships monitor your behavior to the point that you can't enjoy a mixed drink on your WELL PAID for balcony without paying ANOTHER 200 dollars per week for alcohol, or more if you're on a longer cruise.

 

I also do not book my excursions through the ships. If we wanted to be picky about taking revenue away from the ships, this would be doing that also. While it's not a "rule", it certainly DOES remove some revenue. So, all those that cry about taking revenue away from the poor, poor billion dollar company's, do you also book every excursion through the cruiselines? I'd certainly hope not!

 

So yeah...I'm a rule breaker. (a rule breaker who's spent over 15,000 dollars on cruises for '09 ALONE! The cruiseships will have to deal with that and be happy)

[geoherb]

I would not break a rule that impacts other passengers: smoking where I'm not supposed to, breaking in line, saving chairs, letting my child in a diaper use the hot tub.

[Arwenmark]

I absolutely agree with you on this. One time, however, I posted that same opinion in a similar discussion here a couple of years ago. The woman who posted after me said that I was more important than everybody else in my own mind!:eek:

 

No matter! I STILL jump ahead of folks delicately choosing each and every lettuce leaf and grated carrot for some fantastic salad.

 

As to whether this line jumping is right or wrong, I won't venture an opinion, but this is not a RULE there is no company policy that says there is no going ahead of someone in a buffet line. Good manners is not the same thing as rules or even laws on which some of the rules are based.

 

While I don't agree that buffet line cutting means you only think of yourself, I DO think that is the real reason for all the rule, "bend/breakers".

 

The poster above that mentioned breaking rules often works out, yes for THEM if they get away with it. It may in fact compromise someone else but hey, what do they care and that is the whole point here. Either you follow the rules out of respect for both authority and for your fellow passengers, or you don't and you just care about what YOU want and anyone else can go pound sand!