Rare BirdTravels Posted April 21, 2018 #1 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The Norwegian Escape isbeing repositioned as she changes home port from Miami to New York for the next19 months. The Escape is replacing the Norwegian Breakaway who is scheduled fora dry dock followed by a season sailing the Baltic Capitals. The Escape dropped off herfinal group of Miami passengers this morning and is being repositioned to NewYork April 20-22 with no passengers. This allows the crew to clean up andprepare for a busy Bermuda season, but also, NCL management is allowing thecrew to enjoy some of the public spaces on the ship. There are planned crewdinners and parties in the ship’s main dining room. The entertainment staff isputting on performances of the ship’s two main resident shows, After Midnightand For The Record: The Brad Pack to allow behind the scenes crew members to see these Broadwayproductions. NCL could have extendedthe last Miami voyage to end in New York, but decided to do it right, and givethe crew a brief break from the normal 4500 passengers onboard. Good Job NCL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Chuckwagon Posted April 21, 2018 #2 Share Posted April 21, 2018 . NCL could have extendedthe last Miami voyage to end in New York, but decided to do it right, and givethe crew a brief break from the normal 4500 passengers onboard. Good Job NCL! Not saying NCL doesn't deserve some kudos, but they could not have extended the Miami cruise and had it end in New York, that would have violated the PVSA. That's why they have a "passenger-less" repositioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted April 21, 2018 #3 Share Posted April 21, 2018 yes, thats a nice thing for them to do instead of trying to maximize revenue. and thus i am shocked Del Rio allowed it! :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted April 21, 2018 #4 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Not saying NCL doesn't deserve some kudos, but they could not have extended the Miami cruise and had it end in New York, that would have violated the PVSA. That's why they have a "passenger-less" repositioning. ahh.. must be in international waters before being in a US port? but how hard would it be to sail into intl waters between miami and ny? (ie: the old 2day casino cruises to nowhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Chuckwagon Posted April 21, 2018 #5 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ahh.. must be in international waters before being in a US port? but how hard would it be to sail into intl waters between miami and ny? It doesn't have anything to do with International Waters. PVSA essentially states that a foreign-flagged cruise ship cannot transport (meaning start in one and end in the other) US passengers between two US ports unless they visit a "far distant port." This is the reason why you never see cruises that start in one American City and end in another (Except for Pride of America which is flagged in the US). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizDemeanor Posted April 21, 2018 #6 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Not saying NCL doesn't deserve some kudos, but they could not have extended the Miami cruise and had it end in New York, that would have violated the PVSA. That's why they have a "passenger-less" repositioning. How and under what cirumstances does the act come into effect essentially. Given this cruise as a specific example of what you ae identifying specifically. TIA (Timing issue) But please expalin further...Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smplybcause Posted April 21, 2018 #7 Share Posted April 21, 2018 PVSA essentially states that a foreign-flagged cruise ship cannot transport US passengers between two US ports unless they visit a "far distant port." This is the reason why you never see cruises that start in one American City and end in another (Except for Pride of America which is flagged in the US).Or cruises that go through the Panama canal. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Chuckwagon Posted April 21, 2018 #8 Share Posted April 21, 2018 How and under what cirumstances does the act come into effect essentially. Given this cruise as a specific example of what you ae identifying specifically. TIA (Timing issue) But please expalin further...Thx! The act prevents cruises (of foreign flagged vessels) from starting in one US City and ending in another US City unless the cruise has visited a "far distant port." This is why you will never see, for example, east coast cruises that start in one US city and end in another. A cruise that starts in Miami cannot end in New York under the PVSA unless it has visited a far distant port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug R. Posted April 21, 2018 #9 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ahh.. must be in international waters before being in a US port? but how hard would it be to sail into intl waters between miami and ny? It would not be sufficient to sail in international waters. It would be required to stop at a distant foreign port the closest of which are Aruba, Curaçao or Bonaire to comply with the PVSA law. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstuff1 Posted April 21, 2018 #10 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It doesn't have anything to do with International Waters. PVSA essentially states that a foreign-flagged cruise ship cannot transport (meaning start in one and end in the other) US passengers between two US ports unless they visit a "far distant port." This is the reason why you never see cruises that start in one American City and end in another (Except for Pride of America which is flagged in the US). ahh.. so this nice gesture of what NCL doing for the Escape crew is 'forced' since they cant do anything else to maximize revenue for those 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizDemeanor Posted April 21, 2018 #11 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ahh.. so this nice gesture of what NCL doing for the Escape crew is 'forced' since they cant do anything else to maximize revenue for those 2 days I'm not convinced its a 'nice gesture'. Its a planned event based on what we have learned here. I do hope the crew got to enjoy a bit of freedom from their daily grind though. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Chuckwagon Posted April 21, 2018 #12 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ahh.. so this nice gesture of what NCL doing for the Escape crew is 'forced' since they cant do anything else to maximize revenue for those 2 days Yes, exactly. PVSA is something that anyone who is futzing around with back to back to back cruises should familiarize themselves with, as you can create a booking that violates it and have parts of your cruise cancelled. For example: Norwegian Jewel sails on May 26th from Seattle and arrives in Vancouver on June 4th. On June 4th it does a round trip Alaska and returns on June 11th. On June 11th it leaves Vancouver and ends in Seward. You cannot book those three cruises, because if you did you would be starting in Seattle (US Port), and ending in Seward (US Port). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD Silver Posted April 21, 2018 #13 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rah! Rah! Sis Boom Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shof515 Posted April 21, 2018 #14 Share Posted April 21, 2018 it is perfectly normal for ships to sail empty when repositioning between Florida and New York. Carnival does it every year with their ships, NCL is doing it and other cruise lines do it too. In addition to give crew a day off and a day to enjoy the ship, i am pretty sure they are other work being done behind the scenes like any kind of mechanical work in the engine room or elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted April 21, 2018 Author #15 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The act prevents cruises (of foreign flagged vessels) from starting in one US City and ending in another US City unless the cruise has visited a "far distant port." This is why you will never see, for example, east coast cruises that start in one US city and end in another. A cruise that starts in Miami cannot end in New York under the PVSA unless it has visited a far distant port. In this case the itinerary would have been Miami - Jamaica, Grand Cayman, Nassau, New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastalbreezes Posted April 21, 2018 #16 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I was fortunate to have been on the last B2B sailings of Escape (4/7 - 4/20). Having completed 17 cruises on Escape alone I can attest to the hardworking crew members, many of whom have become friends and others like family to me. The last week of the cruise was bittersweet as I said my goodbyes. A couple of days ago we heard they wanted everyone off the ship by 9:15 as they were departing for New York at approximately 10:00 a.m. and indeed that was true. I have never seen such a rapid disembark process! The crew was very excited to have a few days to relax and have fun prior to NY arrival. Those lucky enough to sail Escape in the future will encounter an amazing group of people. Happy cruising, Tracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shof515 Posted April 21, 2018 #17 Share Posted April 21, 2018 In this case the itinerary would have been Miami - Jamaica, Grand Cayman, Nassau, New York. no, it has to stop at one of the ABC islands: Aruba, Bonaire or Curaçao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickieGlenn Posted April 21, 2018 #18 Share Posted April 21, 2018 no, it has to stop at one of the ABC islands: Aruba, Bonaire or Curaçao But it can end up at the same port it started at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverFirst Posted April 21, 2018 #19 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'm super excited for the crew to have this rare and enjoyable experience. They deserve it, considering the conditions they all usually work under. I guess good PR move by NCL to have dinners and shows for crew that for months have been working 24/7. Probably pretty low cost to actually achieve, but lots of people will consider them heroes for doing it. I guess I'm mostly glad for US Regulations making this entire situation possible :)for those crew members. :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Chuckwagon Posted April 21, 2018 #20 Share Posted April 21, 2018 In this case the itinerary would have been Miami - Jamaica, Grand Cayman, Nassau, New York. Right, and Jamaica, Grand Cayman, and Nassau are not "distant foreign ports" as defined in the PVSA, so that itinerary is no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted April 21, 2018 #21 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Can we all agree that this law is completely and totally ridiculous? I mean read it and it makes absolutely zero sense. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceparty Posted April 21, 2018 #22 Share Posted April 21, 2018 We did the walk off on our own and was off the ship and in the shuttle van by 7:30 with no crowds other then a steady line of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceparty Posted April 21, 2018 #23 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Can we all agree that this law is completely and totally ridiculous? I mean read it and it makes absolutely zero sense. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk The law is totally, but it is great for the crew to relax a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted April 21, 2018 #24 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The law is totally, but it is great for the crew to relax a little.The crew on these ships are amazing. Some of the best people I've ever met so a break for them is awesome. The law from 1886 makes absolutely no sense. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42CruiseCrazy Posted April 21, 2018 #25 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Not saying NCL doesn't deserve some kudos, but they could not have extended the Miami cruise and had it end in New York, that would have violated the PVSA. That's why they have a "passenger-less" repositioning. Are there not some “one way” Alaska cruises between Seattle and Alaska? As long as they stop in Canada on the way, I thought it was OK. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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