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RedmondCruiser

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Costa is throwing the Captain under the bus, rolling over him, backing up and rolling over him again:

 

 

 

When captains deviate from normal coarses, or when they cut corners to save on fuel I think that the cruise lines look the other way. After this incident I bet that all cruise ships stay in well established chanels, and now that they can see the the line will throw them under the bus captains will be extra cautious. Also I bet that HAL will go back to muster drills, with roll calls and with life jackets on.

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powderhorn

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Quoted from an article in today's National Post:

 

"Investigators say the vessel was much too close to the shore and residents say its course was much nearer land than usual.

 

The father of the ship’s head waiter told Reuters that his son had telephoned him before the accident to say the crew would salute him by blowing the ship’s whistle as they passed close by Giglio, where both the waiter, Antonello Tievoli, and his 82-year-old father Giuseppe live.

 

“The ship obviously came too close,” the elder Tievoli said. “I don’t know if Antonello asked the captain to come near, but the responsibility is always the captain’s.”

 

Unbelievable.....

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dsh25

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I wonder what will happen with the ship.

Can the hole in the hull be repaired?

Can the ship be righted and towed to a dry dock?

How do they right the ship so that they can float it back for repairs.

Has anything like this been done before?

 

How much did this ship cost to build?

 

Why did this ship list to the opposite side of hole in the hull?

I thought cruise ships were built with water tight compartments to prevent this type of thing from happening or at least slow down the process of sinking.

Did this ship have a double hull? If so, it doesn't seem to have been of much use.

 

Would anyone want to cruise on this particular vessel in the future? If the name were changed would anyone consider booking a cruise this ship?

 

Would travel insurance be of any help in this instance? How would you contact the travel insurer to make a claim?

 

Who do you contact for assistance in this type of event. Apparently the cruise was unprepared for this type of event.

 

Why were the life boats not filled and lowered sooner?

 

I would like to know the answers to these questions.

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ASIWISH

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From Fox News:

Does this weekend's cruise-ship disaster off the coast of Italy make you think twice about going on a cruise?

 

 

Don't know. This seems like a real fluke in the cruise-ship industry. 10.03% (1,369 votes)

 

 

Yes. I don't want a starring role in a modern-day version of "Titanic." 30.52% (4,166 votes)

 

 

No. This was a freak accident. I can't wait to take a cruise. 38.44% (5,246 votes)

 

 

Don't care. I've never had an urge to go on a cruise, and still don't. 19.43% (2,652 votes)

 

 

Other (post a comment). 1.58% (215 votes)

 

 

 

Total Votes: 13,648

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/16/does-italian-cruise-ship-accident-give-second-thoughts-about-going-on-cruise/#ixzz1jegz5C1u

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sail7seas

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Also from Fox News, maximum cruise contract permits for payment of lawsuit in case of injury or death is $75,000 EXCEPT if there is extreme recklessness. This under the Athens Convention (whatever Maritime Law that is). A judge will rule whether extreme recklessness........

 

 

 

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Krazy Kruizers

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From Fox News:

Does this weekend's cruise-ship disaster off the coast of Italy make you think twice about going on a cruise?

 

 

Don't know. This seems like a real fluke in the cruise-ship industry. 10.03% (1,369 votes)

 

 

Yes. I don't want a starring role in a modern-day version of "Titanic." 30.52% (4,166 votes)

 

 

No. This was a freak accident. I can't wait to take a cruise. 38.44% (5,246 votes)

 

 

Don't care. I've never had an urge to go on a cruise, and still don't. 19.43% (2,652 votes)

 

 

Other (post a comment). 1.58% (215 votes)

 

 

 

Total Votes: 13,648

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/16/does-italian-cruise-ship-accident-give-second-thoughts-about-going-on-cruise/#ixzz1jegz5C1u

 

Interesting Pole.

Thanks

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Krazy Kruizers

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I wonder what will happen with the ship.

Can the hole in the hull be repaired?

Can the ship be righted and towed to a dry dock?

How do they right the ship so that they can float it back for repairs.

Has anything like this been done before?

How much did this ship cost to build?

Why did this ship list to the opposite side of hole in the hull?

I thought cruise ships were built with water tight compartments to prevent this type of thing from happening or at least slow down the process of sinking.

Did this ship have a double hull? If so, it doesn't seem to have been of much use.

 

Would anyone want to cruise on this particular vessel in the future? If the name were changed would anyone consider booking a cruise this ship?

 

Would travel insurance be of any help in this instance? How would you contact the travel insurer to make a claim?

 

Who do you contact for assistance in this type of event. Apparently the cruise was unprepared for this type of event.

 

Why were the life boats not filled and lowered sooner?

 

I would like to know the answers to these questions.

 

Concordia

  • Entered service in 2006
  • Built by Fincantieri in Italy at a cost of 450m euros (£372m; $570m)
  • Capacity for 3,780 passengers
  • 1,500 cabins, five restaurants and 13 bars
  • Four swimming pools
  • A 6,000 sq m (64,600 sq ft) spa with gym, sauna, Turkish bath and solarium
  • Sports pitch, cinema, theatre, casino and disco

Source: Costa Cruises and cruise industry websites

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FrankNJ

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Yes the captain is now under the bus , but initially Costa claimed the ship sailed the exact same route it does every week 52 weeks a year. So the company admitted apparently that they have been buzzing the isle of Giglio for quite some time , and they should have the AIS chart records to show it . Total negligience by the cruise company and the captain.

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jtl513

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I wonder what will happen with the ship.

Can the hole in the hull be repaired?

Can the ship be righted and towed to a dry dock?

How do they right the ship so that they can float it back for repairs.

Has anything like this been done before?

 

If you had read all of this thread you would have seen that a salvage company has already estimated the cost of getting the ship re-floated and to a dry-dock at about $150 Million. Estimates to getting back in operation again are about 1 year. Or it may be sold off and renamed.

How much did this ship cost to build?

KK answered.

 

Why did this ship list to the opposite side of hole in the hull?

I thought cruise ships were built with water tight compartments to prevent this type of thing from happening or at least slow down the process of sinking.

Did this ship have a double hull? If so, it doesn't seem to have been of much use.

 

I think there are seal-able compartments but either they were not sealed in time or not at all. I believe the Captain believed the damage was less serious than it was. I believe only oil tankers have double hulls.

 

Would anyone want to cruise on this particular vessel in the future? If the name were changed would anyone consider booking a cruise this ship?

 

I wouldn't have cruised Costa before the accident anyway.

 

Why were the life boats not filled and lowered sooner?

 

As I said above, I believe the Captain was grossly underestimating the damage and seriousness of his situation.

 

I would like to know the answers to these questions.

The answers will come out in the investigation.
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ASIWISH

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Haven't we read there is video of that ship doing the same thing as long ago as last year?

It seems this is not the first time but sadly the last time was deadly.

 

There is a video from August... someone posted it yesterday.

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Guest LoveMyBoxer

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As one with over thirty cruises with HAL, and as one who was told in 1998 that the takeover by Carnival was a good thing for Holland America:

 

It wasn't, isn't, and never will be. It has been tragic watching one of the original lines gradually emasculated by the profit seeking bean counters in Miami. It has been hard listening to fellow HAL loyalists sadly but loyally note the constant attrition of the standards and customs that HAL once had. The HAL of today is not the HAL that was. I know it needed saving, but sometimes it is better for a great line to die than to be killed by a thousand cuts.

 

Sorry. I am emotionally invested in HAL. I loathe Carnival. LOATHE IT.

 

And what does Carnival "saving" HAL have to do with this discussion????

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Pete Jackson

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Costa is throwing the Captain under the bus, rolling over him, backing up and rolling over him again:

 

 

They may be doing this to bolster their chance of getting the insurance money.

The insurance companies may balk if they feel that the ship was being operated in a reckless manner, especially with the knowledge of corporate. In all the calculations by which the insurance companies estimate the premium they will charge, I doubt that they considered that this kind of imprudent operation was likely to happen.

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FrankNJ

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The AIS track for the previous week's sailing shows her passing nowhere near Giglio.

 

and the previous 50 weeks ? Costa claimed the ship followed the exact same route every week for a year . Were they just stating that without any actual knowledge?

 

In any event , they got a little too close this time . the story is now out that the captain invited a head steward to the bridge and to honor him , he did what they call a "bow"

and drove very close to the island. The man's sister apparently posted on Facebook that 'soon the Concordia will come very close to the island".

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