Torfamm Posted April 21 #1651 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 7 hours ago, justafem said: All non-bar smoking lounges have now converted to arcades. Which makes the only inside smoking area, the casino. And we're going to utilize that EXPANDED space to smoke in public/inside. Want that to go back to normal levels? Tell princess to bring back the enclosed smoking rooms, until then, the casino is now our space. Laws about smoking on deck 7 on ships goes back to bulk carriers/ cargo ships when carrying dangerous goods. Deck 7 smoking is written into those laws. Cruise lines must follow those laws, same as the passengers act (what most call jones act). Princess has a policy that states smoking is only allowed while actively playing at designated slot machines. Are you saying that smokers has decided not to comply with that policy? Will you also ignore the smoking policy in other areas of the ship? Do you smoke in restaurants, hotel rooms, or movie theaters? Edited April 21 by Torfamm 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsn55 Posted April 21 #1652 Share Posted April 21 17 hours ago, justafem said: All non-bar smoking lounges have now converted to arcades. Which makes the only inside smoking area, the casino. And we're going to utilize that EXPANDED space to smoke in public/inside. Want that to go back to normal levels? Tell princess to bring back the enclosed smoking rooms, until then, the casino is now our space. Laws about smoking on deck 7 on ships goes back to bulk carriers/ cargo ships when carrying dangerous goods. Deck 7 smoking is written into those laws. Cruise lines must follow those laws, same as the passengers act (what most call jones act). Well, this is going to ruffle some feathers! As a smoker, I don't smoke inside anywhere. I just don't like to annoy others, kind of a personal issue I guess. Unless cruise ships provide adequate ventilation in an indoor smoking location, I'll be happy to smoke outside. What I'd like to see addressed on cruise ships is quieting down the constant loud talking ... on and on the yappers go. And the loudest talkers are also the ones who have little to say, they just like to hear the sound of their own voices I suppose. But the rest of us would rather not hear every inane word they utter. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 21 #1653 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Torfamm said: Princess has a policy that states smoking is only allowed while actively playing at designated slot machines. Are you saying that smokers has decided not to comply with that policy? Will you also ignore the smoking policy in other areas of the ship? Do you smoke in restaurants, hotel rooms, or movie theaters? Is there signage in the casino stating that? I never saw any signs on the Enchanted the few times we walked thru the casino.You better tell Princess that. Recently on the Enchanted and the casino was a smoking lounge that at times allowed gambling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 21 #1654 Share Posted April 21 9 hours ago, justafem said: All non-bar smoking lounges have now converted to arcades. Which makes the only inside smoking area, the casino. And we're going to utilize that EXPANDED space to smoke in public/inside. Want that to go back to normal levels? Tell princess to bring back the enclosed smoking rooms, until then, the casino is now our space. Laws about smoking on deck 7 on ships goes back to bulk carriers/ cargo ships when carrying dangerous goods. Deck 7 smoking is written into those laws. Cruise lines must follow those laws, same as the passengers act (what most call jones act). Kudos to Princess for shutting down Churchills smoking lounges. I won't wager on the casino ever being smoke free. Princess needs to shut down the smoking lounge, aka casino when gambling isn't allowed. I blame Princess for this and not the smoker. Provide your source, cruise ships have to provide smoking outside areas. Remember the Carnival Paradise? A complete non smoking ship, but that failed. Not because they weren't complying with a written law. Smokers should have limited outside smoking areas. IMO, smokers already have a few great places to smoke with great views and bar service. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoak Posted April 21 #1655 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 7 hours ago, justafem said: All non-bar smoking lounges have now converted to arcades. Which makes the only inside smoking area, the casino. And we're going to utilize that EXPANDED space to smoke in public/inside. Want that to go back to normal levels? Tell princess to bring back the enclosed smoking rooms, until then, the casino is now our space. Laws about smoking on deck 7 on ships goes back to bulk carriers/ cargo ships when carrying dangerous goods. Deck 7 smoking is written into those laws. Cruise lines must follow those laws, same as the passengers act (what most call jones act). Nothing expanded. On the Ruby now no pipes or cigars in casino at all. No expanded smoking area Actually on most nights the smoke is not all that bad On the non smoking side most times no smell at all I can only assume that you think you are being humorous Edited April 21 by memoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torfamm Posted April 21 #1656 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, doghog said: Is there signage in the casino stating that? I never saw any signs on the Enchanted the few times we walked thru the casino.You better tell Princess that. Recently on the Enchanted and the casino was a smoking lounge that at times allowed gambling. I don’t know if there is a sign stating the policy, but I do recall seeing a sign saying “no smoking when casino is closed” at both entrances whenever the casino wasn’t open when we were on the Enchanted this spring. The policy exists though and is clearly stated. I do understand the difficulty of enforcing any policy if guests respond to it by effectively saying “Make me”, but they need to find a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 21 #1657 Share Posted April 21 5 minutes ago, Torfamm said: I don’t know if there is a sign stating the policy, but I do recall seeing a sign saying “no smoking when casino is closed” at both entrances whenever the casino wasn’t open when we were on the Enchanted this spring. The policy exists though and is clearly stated. I do understand the difficulty of enforcing any policy if guests respond to it by effectively saying “Make me”, but they need No signage on our 27 March - 6 April 2024 Enchanted cruise at either entrance. We all know how well Princess enforces a lot of their policies. I blame Princess for not enforcing the policy, especially if there are signs advising when and where smoke is allowed. Not the smoker. The smoker should and needs to comply if there is signage and not have to be told. Kinda like those very few smokers that ignore the no smoking on the balcony policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torfamm Posted April 21 #1658 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, doghog said: No signage on our 27 March - 6 April 2024 Enchanted cruise at either entrance. We all know how well Princess enforces a lot of their policies. I blame Princess for not enforcing the policy, especially if there are signs advising when and where smoke is allowed. Not the smoker. The smoker should and needs to comply if there is signage and not have to be told. Kinda like those very few smokers that ignore the no smoking on the balcony policy. Interesting that you didn't see it. We were on the Enchanted from February 26 to April 6 and I noticed it many times. In any case, I don't believe the problem is that smokers don't understand the policy. As @justafem said, there are simply smokers who are going to use that area as a smoking lounge unless someone makes them stop. I agree with you that Princess does need to do exactly that. I feel badly that people refuse to comply voluntarily though. Edited April 21 by Torfamm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 21 #1659 Share Posted April 21 37 minutes ago, Torfamm said: Interesting that you didn't see it. We were on the Enchanted from February 26 to April 6 and I noticed it many times. In any case, I don't believe the problem is that smokers don't understand the policy. As @justafem said, there are simply smokers who are going to use that area as a smoking lounge unless someone makes them stop. I agree with you that Princess does need to do exactly that. I feel badly that people refuse to comply voluntarily though. We didn't see the signage but we aren't gamblers so we quickly found other routes to avoid the casino so not be affected by the smoke smell. Like mid elevators/stairs and Take Five. Crooners always stunk because of those smoking in the casino and poor ventilation. We always had our pre supper drinks and snacks in the Vista Lounge. Why would you feel badly for those that refuse to voluntarily comply? Not us! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 21 #1660 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Torfamm said: I feel badly for Princess staff and the passengers who are affected by others behavior, not the people who refuse to comply with simply stated policies. I feel sorry for all of us affected by smokers not complying. Since the casino staff are contractors I wonder if they are more reluctant not to say anything (?). Now that I have ranted on long enough about this, I realize the problem won't be going away. We do note this on our onboard midcruise survey and our PCS. Like I said we have found ways to minimize our exposure. We aren't like some that fake a cough and wave their arms around like windmills when around smokers. One great thing about Celebrity cruises. No inside smoking, fleetwide. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare CynCyn Posted April 26 #1661 Share Posted April 26 As a smoker I believe that they should have kept the Churchill’s and made the casino nonsmoking. Then, no one would complain because they have no need to enter Churchill’s. On my last cruise, we had a few wander in. I really think one came in just to complain about the smoke- no lie! 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1498sg Posted April 30 #1662 Share Posted April 30 Can anyone tell me if the sapphire princess Churchills lounge and bar is smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted April 30 #1663 Share Posted April 30 4 hours ago, 1498sg said: Can anyone tell me if the sapphire princess Churchills lounge and bar is smoking? According to Princess website Churchills is still listed as cigar lounge. Other ships deck plans will show that space as an arcade if no longer Churchill's cigar lounge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare scooter6139 Posted May 2 #1664 Share Posted May 2 On 4/20/2024 at 11:24 PM, justafem said: On 4/20/2024 at 11:24 PM, justafem said: All non-bar smoking lounges have now converted to arcades. Which makes the only inside smoking area, the casino. And we're going to utilize that EXPANDED space to smoke in public/inside. Want that to go back to normal levels? Tell princess to bring back the enclosed smoking rooms, until then, the casino is now our space. As long as you are putting money in the slots, have fun! On 4/20/2024 at 11:24 PM, justafem said: Laws about smoking on deck 7 on ships goes back to bulk carriers/ cargo ships when carrying dangerous goods. Deck 7 smoking is written into those laws. Cruise lines must follow those laws, same as the passengers act (what most call jones act). Good luck with that Sparky. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllHandsAstern Posted May 26 #1665 Share Posted May 26 On 4/26/2024 at 3:29 PM, CynCyn said: As a smoker I believe that they should have kept the Churchill’s and made the casino nonsmoking. Then, no one would complain because they have no need to enter Churchill’s. On my last cruise, we had a few wander in. I really think one came in just to complain about the smoke- no lie! I agree with this. We just got off Crown Princess, they had no cigar bar but the casino was the grossest of gross. It was so bad you could smell it from deck 7. People were just using the casino as the smoking parlor even though the weather was great and could've gone up on deck. Even when the casino was closed people were in there just to smoke. Princess could have handled the smoke better, like closing the doors, running some air purifiers, some something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted May 26 #1666 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, AllHandsAstern said: I agree with this. We just got off Crown Princess, they had no cigar bar but the casino was the grossest of gross. It was so bad you could smell it from deck 7. People were just using the casino as the smoking parlor even though the weather was great and could've gone up on deck. Even when the casino was closed people were in there just to smoke. Princess could have handled the smoke better, like closing the doors, running some air purifiers, some something. I blame Princess for allowing the smokers to use the casino as a smoking lounge. Not the smokers. Gambling or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsn55 Posted May 27 #1667 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, AllHandsAstern said: I agree with this. We just got off Crown Princess, they had no cigar bar but the casino was the grossest of gross. It was so bad you could smell it from deck 7. People were just using the casino as the smoking parlor even though the weather was great and could've gone up on deck. Even when the casino was closed people were in there just to smoke. Princess could have handled the smoke better, like closing the doors, running some air purifiers, some something. I'm happy to know I can go have a cigarette in the casino if it's raining outside. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torfamm Posted May 27 #1668 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 15 hours ago, doghog said: I blame Princess for allowing the smokers to use the casino as a smoking lounge. Not the smokers. Gambling or not. I disagree. While Princess should of course enforce their policies, passengers should comply without having to be forced to do so. That goes for all policies, not just smoking. No passenger should respond to clearly stated policies by effectively saying, “Make me”. Edited May 27 by Torfamm 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doghog Posted May 27 #1669 Share Posted May 27 10 minutes ago, Torfamm said: I disagree. While Princess should of course enforce their policies, passengers should comply without having to be forced to do so. That goes for all policies, not just smoking. No passenger should respond to clearly stated policies by effectively saying, “Make me”. Exactly my point! Princess needs to enforce their policy (which they don't) due to a few that ignore the policy. I blame Princess for not having the stones for not enforcing the policy. Obviously by the actions of a few, they are saying exactly that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasa1974 Posted May 28 #1670 Share Posted May 28 I don't smoke but if you smoke that's your choice. I just don't want to smell it, walk through it or be around it. I will say most smokers follow the rules but not all. Some feel the rules don't apply to them. I was on the Caribbean Princess late April with my daughter and her family and there was a cigarette butt on her balcony. How did it get there? I guess someone felt the rules didn't apply to them. The Star Princess had a serious fire that killed one and injured 11 in 2006. It was suspected to be caused by a discarded cigarette. Click on the link, Cigarette eyed as cause of cruise blaze (nbcnews.com) Back then you could smoke on your balcony. Maybe that's why there are rules about not smoking on balconies. Oh, that's right the rule doesn't apply to you because you're careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoppyVelvet Posted May 28 #1671 Share Posted May 28 I don’t think most smokers know how far the smoke travels and they need to be aware of it. Also how much they smell of it in close situations like lifts 😖 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boku Posted May 28 #1672 Share Posted May 28 On our recent Sky Princess cruise my wife and I wanted to use the casino but couldn't due to the stench of cigarette smoke. Maybe Princess could issue a partial refund of our cruise fare due to not being able to use all the advertised amenities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoak Posted May 28 #1673 Share Posted May 28 20 minutes ago, Boku said: On our recent Sky Princess cruise my wife and I wanted to use the casino but couldn't due to the stench of cigarette smoke. Maybe Princess could issue a partial refund of our cruise fare due to not being able to use all the advertised amenities. Princess has a wine list but is out of the wine I want. Should I get a refund ? I couldn’t get a dining room table next to a window how much refund should I get ? This is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richstowe Posted May 28 #1674 Share Posted May 28 19 minutes ago, Boku said: On our recent Sky Princess cruise my wife and I wanted to use the casino but couldn't due to the stench of cigarette smoke. Maybe Princess could issue a partial refund of our cruise fare due to not being able to use all the advertised amenities. Us too. It was a Sky casino compted cruise. The over 400 members were mostly heavy smokers. The casino was unusable. I suspect they were heavy 🥃🍸🍺 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boku Posted May 28 #1675 Share Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, memoak said: Princess has a wine list but is out of the wine I want. Should I get a refund ? I couldn’t get a dining room table next to a window how much refund should I get ? This is ridiculous It was a tongue in cheek comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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