Husband purposely missing embarkation due to schedule

[WildWind]

Last year, my friends missed the embarkation (Celebrity CL) because their son needed to go to the emergency room. Three days later they boarded the ship in another port. They were on Mediterranean cruise. I do not think that they paid a fine. They would tell. Contact CCL directly and ask.

[S.S.Oceanlover]

Last year, my friends missed the embarkation (Celebrity CL) because their son needed to go to the emergency room. Three days later they boarded the ship in another port. They were on Mediterranean cruise. I do not think that they paid a fine. They would tell. Contact CCL directly and ask.

 

The law is only applied for U.S. ports.

 

Bill

[HazyDavy]

Having your husband check in and then leave is a recipe for disaster. The way I see it, he either grovels at work or he simply doesn't go on the cruise.

 

I don't mean to sound like I'm dissing you, but, I've been in the travel business for nearly 24 years, and I find it disturbing that you wouldn't know the answer to this question. What's even more amazing is that it never dawned on you to call Carnival.

 

IMO, this just adds fuel to the fire for people who question the role and competence of TAs.....you're not making us look very good. Sort of makes me wonder if you really deserve a free cruise.

 

On second thought, maybe I AM dissing you.

 

Let the flames begin....

 

What he said.

 

Really, as someone who is enough of a TA to be awarded a free cruise, if you don't know the answer, shouldn't you at least know how to find the answer without resorting to a public web forum?

 

I'd be embarrassed.

 

BTW, the simple answer is Hubby doesn't get to go. Take someone else.

[awhcruiser]

This. I wouldn't add anyone if there is a remote chance he/she couldn't go.

 

BTW, the simple answer is Hubby doesn't get to go. Take someone else.

[sun~]

I was on a NCL Gem cruise from NYC to Bahamas a few years ago in March.

 

There was a terrible snowstorm and parts of southern Ontario and upstate New York that got snowed in. We drove to NY on the Thursday, Friday was the snow day. The ship left on Saturday. A couple of hundred people missed the ship in NYC but were allowed to board in Florida a couple of days later. Some drove, some got flights. All were pissed that they missed a couple of days of vacation.

 

But they absolutely boarded in Florida.

[Crusin Karen]

Yea, I think after all is said and done, if you can't get his employer or fellow employees to "cooperate" so he can have the day off, he will have to stay home. :( Maybe you can take someone else with you? Sorry it worked out this way. :(:(

[Crusin Karen]

When are they going to change these silly PVSA regulations anyway?? :confused: What is the reasoning behind it in this day and age? :confused:

[beta98beta]

Haha. I am a TA but I didn't know the answer. But I'll call myself later and ask. :-) The cruise was a free one that Carnival gave to some agents last week so I'm not worried about him losing out on any money spent on the trip. I was just curious if this was a legal, viable option. It sounds like a sticky one so I'll tell him he's out of luck.

 

I put him on the reservation just in case he would be able to get Wednesday off. The day is 'closed' at his office as too many people already have it off so he's stuck. Yes, he can get Monday and Tuesday off but not Wednesday unless a million people change their plans.

 

Also check with Carnival to see if you will run into issues if he is on your reservation and then don't arrive. I ask because they gave casino players free trips last month. I have one booked in December. One of the rules was if a person is on our cabin reservation and then can't make it we have to pay for their fair unless we have trip cancellation insurance for that person.

[trev71]

Call in sick.. just dont post your cruise details on facebook... i wouldnt miss a cruise for work even if i already paid for it, i would tell them i will work extra hours when I get back

[Budget Queen]

Did he do it?

 

As I mentioned before, I saw passengers waiting in Key West who missed the cruise in Miami so I guess there are ways around this law. But I wouldn't just assume that it will be fine without first clearing it with Carnival. In your friend's case, he was advised by Carnival to go to Port Canaveral.

 

 

Are you CERTAIN they were passengers?? Employees of cruise lines board ALL THE time at various ports due to work contracts, as an example entertainers are always on and off ships, very frequently.

 

If they are passengers, everyone is assuming they "know" the details, you don't.

[Budget Queen]

Call in sick.. just dont post your cruise details on facebook... i wouldnt miss a cruise for work even if i already paid for it, i would tell them i will work extra hours when I get back

 

You are assuming some very narrow ideas. What if there are work policies in place? And it is likely he hasn't even remotely mentioned this to someone at work. Add to the mix, EVERYONE wants this day off, and maybe he is low seniority. Maybe, he has no "work protection" unions etc.

 

It amazes me, the assumptions people are making regarding such an important issue. For most people work ranks way above taking a vacation.

 

I am a union employee with very generous time off, high seniority and never would pull any stunt to get time off, even with no job jeopardy. All kinds of protections in place for the employee. Private employment rarely has all this and far more risks. It is alarming to me, to see all this "advice", to ignore the policies, and think someone deserves an "exception".

[billie5]

I was on a NCL Gem cruise from NYC to Bahamas a few years ago in March.

 

There was a terrible snowstorm and parts of southern Ontario and upstate New York that got snowed in. We drove to NY on the Thursday, Friday was the snow day. The ship left on Saturday. A couple of hundred people missed the ship in NYC but were allowed to board in Florida a couple of days later. Some drove, some got flights. All were pissed that they missed a couple of days of vacation.

 

But they absolutely boarded in Florida.

 

TSA has always been able to waive the penalties. That is very likely what happened here because of the severe weather in upstate NY.

[irishnyc]

You are assuming some very narrow ideas. What if there are work policies in place? And it is likely he hasn't even remotely mentioned this to someone at work. Add to the mix, EVERYONE wants this day off, and maybe he is low seniority. Maybe, he has no "work protection" unions etc.

 

It amazes me, the assumptions people are making regarding such an important issue. For most people work ranks way above taking a vacation.

 

I am a union employee with very generous time off, high seniority and never would pull any stunt to get time off, even with no job jeopardy. All kinds of protections in place for the employee. Private employment rarely has all this and far more risks. It is alarming to me, to see all this "advice", to ignore the policies, and think someone deserves an "exception".

 

Big fat ditto. I have never worked in a place where I would or could blatantly disregard being told "no" to a day off. In fact probably would have been fired if I suddenly became sick on a day I was denied vacation for, especially if the two days before it were granted as vacation days. My husband, even with strong union protection, near-top seniority, and generous vacation and sick time, would be severely disciplined for doing that.

 

OP, I'd just tell DH sorry and take someone else. I can't see the small possibility of his getting on board being worth the risk of spending all that money for nothing.

[CapeCodCruiser]

The moral of this story:

 

ASK CARNIVAL!!!!!

 

Then get their answer in writing.

[Maxiecat3]

TSA has always been able to waive the penalties. That is very likely what happened here because of the severe weather in upstate NY.

 

One small correction, this has nothing to do with the TSA as the CBP has jurisdiction of the PVSA.

 

Gregg

[Elaine5715]

Big fat ditto. I have never worked in a place where I would or could blatantly disregard being told "no" to a day off. In fact probably would have been fired if I suddenly became sick on a day I was denied vacation for, especially if the two days before it were granted as vacation days. My husband, even with strong union protection, near-top seniority, and generous vacation and sick time, would be severely disciplined for doing that.

 

OP, I'd just tell DH sorry and take someone else. I can't see the small possibility of his getting on board being worth the risk of spending all that money for nothing.

 

I have a family member who is always mouthing off about what folks should tell their employers about work policies, vacations, sick time, overtime, wages, etc. and how he would never tolerate such restrictions. Of course, he has worked less than 2 years in his entire life.

[crzndeb]

One small correction, this has nothing to do with the TSA as the CBP has jurisdiction of the PVSA.

 

Gregg

 

Correct.

 

Of course there are emergency situations that the CBP will work with cruise lines. However, if a cruise line knowingly violates the PVSA, they face strict ramifications other than just a $300 fine.

 

If people would read about the Passenger Vessel Service Act and the Jones Act, they might understand why it is in place. Foreign airlines also have rules. They can't transport passengers from one US city to another.

[Tapi]

Are you CERTAIN they were passengers??

 

Please read my post #22. I'm not certain who they were, if they were there with Carnival's approval, or if they even got on the ship. I can speculate that they looked like passengers (a family with small children and some couples). But there are a few things that I've tried to make certain through my various posts:

 

- The PVSA would not allow the OP's husband to board in Port Canaveral under normal circumstances.

- There are documented exceptions to the rule.

- The OP SHOULD call Carnival to figure this out instead of trying to scheme their way through it.

[Maxiecat3]

Please read my post #22. I'm not certain who they were, if they were there with Carnival's approval, or if they even got on the ship. I can speculate that they looked like passengers (a family with small children and some couples). But there are a few things that I've tried to make certain through my various posts:

 

- The PVSA would not allow the OP's husband to board in Port Canaveral under normal circumstances.

- There are documented exceptions to the rule.

- The OP SHOULD call Carnival to figure this out instead of trying to scheme their way through it.

 

I am using your post as it is the last one listed and 1 more thing can be added to your list is that I bet a lot of people don't realize they do not have to pay the fine to any cruise line until they find out if the cruise line actually was charged the fine and paid it.

 

Gregg

[billie5]

One small correction, this has nothing to do with the TSA as the CBP has jurisdiction of the PVSA.

 

Gregg

Oops.

[billie5]

One small correction, this has nothing to do with the TSA as the CBP has jurisdiction of the PVSA.

 

Gregg

 

Thanks for the correction, Gregg. I did mean Customs & Border.

[BIG_Steve]

What a thread :rolleyes:

 

Call CCL at least 2 or 3 times (to get different operators) and go with what they say.

 

Never-ever take a call centers' first response as being correct, even if they tell you what you were hoping to hear.

[MarkAndSandy]

I'm the first to admit I'm certainly no expert... But I don't see the difference between a repositioning cruise and what is being asked in this case...

 

Repo cruise leaves from US port #1, goes to foreign port as required by legal acts, and arrives at end destination, US port #2. Not a closed loop cruise... Which definitely requires a US Passport (at a minimum)...

 

I can understand the possible assessment of fines for missing the port of origination... But what am I missing that makes this "forbidden" territory?

 

No flames please, just looking for a distinction between the two scenarios (if anyone here knows.). Please cite references, if applicable.

 

Happy cruising!

[welldone60]

I'm the first to admit I'm certainly no expert... But I don't see the difference between a repositioning cruise and what is being asked in this case...

 

Repo cruise leaves from US port #1, goes to foreign port as required by legal acts, and arrives at end destination, US port #2. Not a closed loop cruise... Which definitely requires a US Passport (at a minimum)...

 

I can understand the possible assessment of fines for missing the port of origination... But what am I missing that makes this "forbidden" territory?

 

No flames please, just looking for a distinction between the two scenarios (if anyone here knows.). Please cite references, if applicable.

 

Happy cruising!

 

The wording. A closed loop cruise starting and ending in the same US port only has to visit a foreign port. Any non US port.

A Repo cruise which leaves from one US port and ends in another US port must visit a "distant" foreign port. Cozumel, Bahamas etc do not qualify as a "distant" foreign port. Aruba does qualify as a distant foreign port.

Since the OP's husband would be boarding in Canaveral and debark in another US port and not visit a "distant" foreign port, he would be breaking the psva law.

[mawvkysc]

I'm the first to admit I'm certainly no expert... But I don't see the difference between a repositioning cruise and what is being asked in this case...

 

Repo cruise leaves from US port #1, goes to foreign port as required by legal acts, and arrives at end destination, US port #2. Not a closed loop cruise... Which definitely requires a US Passport (at a minimum)...

 

I can understand the possible assessment of fines for missing the port of origination... But what am I missing that makes this "forbidden" territory?

 

No flames please, just looking for a distinction between the two scenarios (if anyone here knows.). Please cite references, if applicable.

 

Happy cruising!

I agree. I thought the rule meant that a cruise had to have at least 1 foreign stop, not that it had to be a closed loop. That is why so many Alaska cruises stop in Victoria.