New HAL Dress Code ?

[fla742]

 

I truly have no interest how you or anyone dresses and have made that clear on CC many times.

 

But I do have an interest why someone would book to sail a cruise line that makes it perfectly clear they expect guests to wear jacket, trousers and tie for gents and commensurately appropriate for women on formal nights. They clearly spell out what is not permitted in MDR for dinner.

 

Why book a cruise line that 'tells you what to wear' if you don't appreciate being told? :confused: Why would you mind if people notice if you don't comply?

 

I cannot reconcile booking that cruise line if that is your view.

Thanks if you care to explain.

 

Just as in Real Estate it's "location, location, location", in cruising it's "itinerary, itinerary, itinerary".

 

We have not sailed on this level of cruise line for many years. We have been sailing on Azamara or Regent where the dress code is "resort casual" every night. This is an extremely pleasant way to dress for traveling, especially on a port intensive cruise.

 

We have no intention of putting on "formal" attire. My DH will wear a blue blazer and put on a tie (which he really hates to do) and I will wear a dressier top over my black silk pants on those nights. In all honesty, I think "formal" nights should go the way of top hats, white tie and tails.

 

If someone is dining on the Lido Deck for dinner, then by all means, let them wear shorts, t-shirts and flip-flops, but I don't think that attire is appropriate in the showroom.

 

We live in an extremely casual area, but will not see shorts at our local theater, though dress is becoming more casual as the years go by.

[POA1]

The fact that multiple people have seen this same comedian - including us - and he always has someone in the front row who is way underdressed makes me think "plant" or "confederate."

[Lizzie68]

Their suggested dress falls into my everyday choices. They aren't far from my husbands either. So it's not an issue. As I said I don't like being told what to wear our judged by others. It doesn't mean I object to suggested guidelines. Is the passengers that seem to get all worked up and insist people conform to their standards.

 

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Confused. If you don't object to the guidelines, and the dress code is pretty much what you wear anyway - so why say anything? I've only done one cruise so far but never saw anyone get worked up about what others were wearing. Opinions on here are just that - and won't affect your cruise enjoyment.

 

I'm looking foward to dressing up for formal nights, and will dress accordingly, as in going to a nice restaurant for the dining room on other nights, unless we go to the buffet. I gather some people change before going to the show but that sounds like too much trouble to me.

[Mytime2014]

people will always be judged by what they wear.

Interview - wear your shorts and t-shirt - you won't get the office job where business casual is the standard. Wear your scrubs from job A during lunch for clinical nursing job B, not such a huge deal

On the street - group of dudes coming to you in wife-beaters and low riding pants...bad news or a church group finishing up a building project. I'm not going to stick around and find out.

Clothing reflects who you are - its why kids don't want to wear uniforms and express their individuality - yet every career has its own uniform. Some uniforms have a name on them, some don't. But you wear your work uniform [well except here where some of the women dress like they are on their way to a pole dance...]

If you go to a place that has a stated dress code/standard and you flaunt that you are not going to follow it people might assume: You're too stupid to read, you don't care what anyone says, you're going to do what you please, you don't care, or maybe you don't know any better.

Just don't get offended when people look at you and roll their eyes if you choose to ignore. Unless you are in my space or smell really bad, I'm just going to look at you with a bless your heart look and assume you don't know any better or don't care

[sail7seas]

Their suggested dress falls into my everyday choices. They aren't far from my husbands either. So it's not an issue. As I said I don't like being told what to wear our judged by others. It doesn't mean I object to suggested guidelines. Is the passengers that seem to get all worked up and insist people conform to their standards.

 

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I understand but that is not what you said that prompted my post. You said you don't like to be told what to wear..... Yet now you say it is okay they are saying what you are to wear because that is what you would choose to wear anyway.

 

PLEASE..... know I am not 'picking a fight with you'. I have no interest in that. I have more than enough grief in my life right now. I am only pointing out the contradiction and the fact that did not anwer my question. :)

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that multiple people have seen this same comedian - including us - and he always has someone in the front row who is way underdressed makes me think "plant" or "confederate."

 

I think the same thing. This comedian has set up with his 'target' in advance and either suggested how they dress or has their agreement they won't object to him having fun with them. Those front row seats may have been saved for the 'target' who is selected as people enter the showroom. Someone has been charged with selecting the target and escorting him/her to the saved seat(s).

 

 

Edited May 16, 2014 by sail7seas

[LSEA]

I don't get it? Rural? Did the comedian mean like opposed to urban? If that is what it means then that generalization is far uglier than any outfit I have ever observed on a cruise ship.

[sherilyn70]

I understand but that is not what you said that prompted my post. You said you don't like to be told what to wear..... Yet now you say it is okay they are saying what you are to wear because that is what you would choose to wear anyway.

 

PLEASE..... know I am not 'picking a fight with you'. I have no interest in that. I have more than enough grief in my life right now. I am only pointing out the contradiction and the fact that did .

I understand the confusion and I'm afraid I probably can't express it properly. It's one of those things that is a feeling more than anything else. I think most people that have been bullied or forced to be a certain way understand what I'm saying since it's more of an emotion. I have never been "normal" or "average" and as a child was insulted, picked on, and bullied and teased. As I grew older I became less shy and learned to stand up for myself and even more so for those that didn't feel they could. When I finally found my niche in IT and my people "the geeks" I grew into the strong and confident person everyone sees today. I learned to be myself and love everyone for who they are and rarely judge anyone by their cover as a result of it. I set zero dress code for my wedding and simply told them how my husband and I would be dressed and invited them to decide what to wear. If they had chosen jeans and a t shirt I wouldn't have minded, they're still the same wonderful people I love no matter what the wear.

 

 

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[Krazy Kruizers]

I know the "Dress Code" threads have been far too numerous on HAL but I wish to add this one.

 

We just completed a 29 day cruise on the Statendam. HAL dress code was the standard found on all ships; Smart Casual and Formal. But a comedian, Barnaby, came up with a new dress code for the ship.

 

He walked onto the stage of the Showroom for his performance, looked into the audience and saw a man in the front row and said;

 

"You are wearing a cap, a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. I have heard of Smart Casual and Formal Nights; I did not know this was RURAL NIGHT." :D

 

He got quite a response !

 

Needless to say on this cruise was the usually; men wearing t-shirts in the MDR for dining, men wearing shorts and flip-flops at Canelletto on formal night, men wearing shorts and flip flops in the Pinnacle for lunch; etc., etc.

 

HAL either change the dress code to Rural or enforce the current dress codes.

 

 

We have also seen the dress code far too relaxed on HAL ships the last couple of years. Formal nights have become a joke.

I think your comedian is also seeing the changes that may come in the next few years.

[Dunelm]

There are some people who just seem to enjoy pressing buttons and breaking rules. Those who wear t-shirts and flip-flops in the MDR may fit into such a category OR they crave attention by standing out from the crowd. I think is best to simply ignore them.

[George C]

We have also seen the dress code far too relaxed on HAL ships the last couple of years. Formal nights have become a joke.

I think your comedian is also seeing the changes that may come in the next few years.

 

I thought HAL dress codes were getting relaxed, until I cruised on RCCL a few weeks ago, it appears they have no dress codes that are enforced.

[Wakepatrol]

The fact that multiple people have seen this same comedian - including us - and he always has someone in the front row who is way underdressed makes me think "plant" or "confederate."

 

 

No....this is just how life shakes out.

 

Just like the person with the most annoying voice, makes the most announcements over an intercom

[POA1]

Is it a requirement to wear formal attire wear on formal nights all night long? On Formal nights I always wear a jacket and tie to dinner but then change into my jeans for the rest of the night.

 

Technically, the "Know Before You Go" document says that "In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America Line asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening."

 

From a practical perspective, the ships are often a little warmer than some of us would like - especially when you're wearing a tuxedo with a wool jacket, vest, and wool pants. That's why the Know B4 U Go recommends that you do the James Bond dressed down formal look. It's got extra ventilation around the neck.

 

 

 

In the old days, Know B4 U Go used to use a picture of the Rat Pack with open bow ties, but they were smoking... and we all know where that leads! :cool:

Edited May 16, 2014 by POA1

[POA1]

Is it a requirement to wear formal attire wear on formal nights all night long? On Formal nights I always wear a jacket and tie to dinner but then change into my jeans for the rest of the night.

 

Technically, the "Know Before You Go" document says that "In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America Line asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening."

 

From a practical perspective, the ships are often a little warmer than some of us would like - especially when you're wearing a tuxedo with a wool jacket, vest, and wool pants. That's why the Know B4 U Go recommends that you do the James Bond dressed down formal look. It's got extra ventilation around the neck.

 

 

 

In the old days, Know B4 U Go used to use a picture of the Rat Pack with open bow ties, but they were smoking... and we all know where that leads! :cool:

[Mytime2014]

Not going to copy your picture POA1 - but I sure would like to run into some of that on my cruise....

[cruz chic]

Not going to copy your picture POA1 - but I sure would like to run into some of that on my cruise....

 

Good luck with that:D. I can say there is a 99.999999999999% chance that won't happen;).

[Watson's aunt]

Great

 

No when I go to dinner will I be seeing a man wearing a baseball cap (do they sleep with with on) and shorts will remind me I at at a baseball game waiting to order a hot dog and beer. Sorry I just don't understand thy the can't put on a jacket nice slacks.. I wonder will they be buried with those stupid caps on and every day clothes.. I wownder why they obey the rules at work or if the attend a wedding. But cannot out one plair of slacks and jacket shirt in suitcase. Also they can eat other places if they don't want to dress for the MDR.. Oh yeah and then bully they Staff at the entrance to the MDR.

 

 

Mary

[POA1]

Sorry for the double post. The person in charge of quality control has been sacked.

[Mytime2014]

Good luck with that:D. I can say there is a 99.999999999999% chance that won't happen;).

 

 

windsucker!!!!! [reference Friends....]

[CowPrincess]

POA1 that picture should have had some kind of "warning" ;) Sigh.....

[sherilyn70]

Great

 

No when I go to dinner will I be seeing a man wearing a baseball cap (do they sleep with with on) and shorts will remind me I at at a baseball game waiting to order a hot dog and beer. Sorry I just don't understand thy the can't put on a jacket nice slacks.. I wonder will they be buried with those stupid caps on and every day clothes.. I wownder why they obey the rules at work or if the attend a wedding. But cannot out one plair of slacks and jacket shirt in suitcase. Also they can eat other places if they don't want to dress for the MDR.. Oh yeah and then bully they Staff at the entrance to the MDR.

Not everyone owns a suit. My husband had one suit, it's probably 15-20 years old and I've seem him wear it about 4 times over the 7 years I've been with him. He works on a dock as a supervisor for a freight company and had been there 20 years. He doesn't have much need for dress clothes considering the conditions he works in. We just purchased a new suit for him last week since the old one was pretty snug. Let me say they're not exactly cheap, especially if you want only one (seemed like everyone was selling them in 2 and 3 combos). I wanted him to have it for our cruises on my bucket list and more realistically for my funeral (apparently a lot of wives take their husbands shopping for their funeral suit before the pass away, lol). I'm still in sticker shock and it is the most expensive clothing purchase I've ever made. I never spent more than $150 even on my formal gowns (that includes accessories and shoes to go with it). Neither of us are big on spending money on clothing, we'd rather spend it on other things. :)

 

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[iuki]

Our party of 6 always dressed for formal night. After dinner we returned to our rooms and changed into casual, comfortable clothes. We then went to the shows. If I were a man, I sure wouldn't like wearing a suit and tie all night. Suits can be very uncomfortable and suffocating, feeling like you're in a straight jacket. As long as the clothing is not offensive, it doesn't bother me if someone isn't dressed up every night. JMO.

[mor mor]

people will always be judged by what they wear.

Interview - wear your shorts and t-shirt - you won't get the office job where business casual is the standard. Wear your scrubs from job A during lunch for clinical nursing job B, not such a huge deal

On the street - group of dudes coming to you in wife-beaters and low riding pants...bad news or a church group finishing up a building project. I'm not going to stick around and find out.

Clothing reflects who you are - its why kids don't want to wear uniforms and express their individuality - yet every career has its own uniform. Some uniforms have a name on them, some don't. But you wear your work uniform [well except here where some of the women dress like they are on their way to a pole dance...]

If you go to a place that has a stated dress code/standard and you flaunt that you are not going to follow it people might assume: You're too stupid to read, you don't care what anyone says, you're going to do what you please, you don't care, or maybe you don't know any better.

Just don't get offended when people look at you and roll their eyes if you choose to ignore. Unless you are in my space or smell really bad, I'm just going to look at you with a bless your heart look and assume you don't know any better or don't care

Well said! If people enjoy not following a dress code, then presumably they enjoy being noticed for being defiant. bless their hearts.

[Lizzie68]

I thought HAL dress codes were getting relaxed, until I cruised on RCCL a few weeks ago, it appears they have no dress codes that are enforced.

 

I have to disagree.... in my experience. On the Mariner of the Seas, I saw the Maitre'd (sp?) approach a gentleman who came into the dining room wearing shorts, and escorted him out. The gentleman came back wearing long pants. And everyone dressed accordingly, didn't see anything that contravened the dress code at all.

[Stratheden]

The fact that multiple people have seen this same comedian - including us - and he always has someone in the front row who is way underdressed makes me think "plant" or "confederate."

 

I totally agree. I would be interested to know how many times pajama clad ladies frequent the front row. He actually sounds a bit boring if that is all he can do.

[cbr663]

Great

 

No when I go to dinner will I be seeing a man wearing a baseball cap (do they sleep with with on) and shorts will remind me I at at a baseball game waiting to order a hot dog and beer. Sorry I just don't understand thy the can't put on a jacket nice slacks.. I wonder will they be buried with those stupid caps on and every day clothes.. I wownder why they obey the rules at work or if the attend a wedding. But cannot out one plair of slacks and jacket shirt in suitcase. Also they can eat other places if they don't want to dress for the MDR.. Oh yeah and then bully they Staff at the entrance to the MDR.

 

 

Mary

 

With all due respect, just as you cannot understand why someone can't put on a jacket and nice slacks, I cannot understand how CC posters cannot understand that the dress code on HAL's ships is in a state of change. It is apparent from the constant griping on this site and from my own personal experience that many cruisers are making the choice to disregard it and by not enforcing it, HAL is also choosing to disregard. This is about change, and while some of you may not like it, it is apparent that many travelling passengers are choosing to embrace it. When you have a cruise line selling tickets at less than $50 pp per night, it is very difficult, IMO, to demand that passengers spend more on their attire to attend an evening meal than the passenger spent for the entire day.