Smoking on your balcony is out! Gratuities are going up.

[astropilot]

Now one can start working on the prohibition of perfume in the elevators and MDR.

 

HEAR! HEAR! let's get that ball rolling...

[RuthlessBoss]

Since it is clear that Carnival does not value my business, I will not assist them with payroll. I will tip those who provide me with excellent service directly.

 

Unfortunately, I have a cruise booked for November. I was so looking forward to peaceful relaxation on my extended aft balcony, away from the drunks and the noise :( Since I am no longer a valued customer because I smoke, I downgraded to an inside as close to the "designated" smoking area on the Lido deck as possible. I would have cancelled but my travel companion still wants to go. I have no interest in this cruise any longer.

 

I know that the lion's share of profit from a cruise is not in the cabin fares but in the up-sells. I will not drink on the ship, I will not gamble and I will not shop on board. I will spend my money after the cruise in New Orleans and Biloxi where a smoker's money is still welcome.

 

Excellent. I'd likely do "some" gambling because that's my treat. But, it would severely cut back. If I happened to get a good "hit", I'd likely keep it and walk away.

[elliair]

Honestly, I was thinking the same thing.

 

Snitches get stitches.

 

Uh no, we stand and watch the perp get their come uppins. We sit back and snicker. :D

[stobe1]

I stated this earlier, I am a non-smoker but smoking doesn't bother me. I grew up in a smoking family and somehow I managed to remain a non-smoker. I could care less one way or another if someone smokes on their balcony or not.

 

However, I would be willing to bet that a good majority of everyone saying they're going to cancel their cruises or no longer do business with Carnival are just "blowing smoke", so to speak. I can't find it now because I don't want to go looking through hundreds of posts to find it, but there was one person that said they cancelled 12 rooms over the smoking ban. Really? Since this person can't smoke now, everyone they were travelling with were so upset also and just didn't want to travel anymore either and in disgust cancelled their trips as well just to protest the new policy? That's a bit too hard for me to believe. So, at minimum, an entire family reunion or trip with friends or whatever (with approximately 24 people, assuming 2 per cabin) is scrubbed over a new smoking policy? I doubt it.

 

The folks saying they are downgrading from balcony cabins to inside cabins are a bit more believable to me.

 

Those of you saying you're done with Carnival and taking your business elsewhere over and over and over and over again...adios. Your point is made.

Edited July 9, 2014 by stobe1

[luvtheships]

It is awesome how gleeful people are when it comes to taking something away from someone. :D

 

Problem with that is one day it just might be you ;)

 

Well ok but when they tried to ban large sodas in NYC it was overturned

 

Thankfully not every is going down this slippery slope and can realize when something is hurting just yourself and can distinguish it from smoking which is an enormous proven health hazard not only to the smoker but to innocent bystanders

 

 

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[EmmasNana]

Didn't mean to say I didn't agree to the tipping. Thats fine in my book.

 

And Yes, it was how the fire started, but did you know airplanes are required to have an ashtray in the bathroom because they know people are going to smoke on the plane, and need a safe place to put out the butts, even though it's not allowed. People are going to smoke on the balconies, butts will just be thrown overboard to avoid getting caught, or in a coke can that's tossed in the sea, or into the complaining neighbors balcony to burn the ship down. I'd probably go the coke can route though, I never litter with my butts, but that's going to be the mentality of a lot of smokers.

 

If I am in a cabin next to you and you light up, I will take your picture for proof. Also, they will know if you smoked because you will smell awful.

[astropilot]

It's a sad day for me...

 

I choose to cruise so that I can rest and relax. Part of that rest and relaxation took place on my balcony enjoying the sights, sounds, and the occasional smoke.

 

Now that I don't (won't) have that option any longer, I don't see the need to book any future cruises with CCL, and since most of the other lines now have similar policies, I see no need to book any future voyages. Instead, I will divert my disposable income to other forms of vacation.

 

It's been a fun ride, but like all good things it has to end sooner or later, and it's now over for me...

[luvtheships]

It is awesome how gleeful people are when it comes to taking something away from someone. :D

 

Problem with that is one day it just might be you ;)

 

Well ok but when they tried to ban large sodas in NYC it was overturned

 

Thankfully not everyone is going down this slippery slope and can realize when something is hurting just yourself and can distinguish it from smoking which is an enormous proven health hazard not only to the smoker but to innocent bystanders

 

 

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[JasonV1]

FYI, this tells the tale, and it (CDC smoking trends) was last updated in 2011.

 

By 2020 the US adult (smoking) figure is estimated at 12%, which means that further restrictions on US cruises are likely within the next 5-10 years.

 

E-cigs obviously impact these results, and I (even as a non-smoker) don't see why they don't let you use those on the balconies. I suspect they did it since it makes enforcement of the rule easier so there is no "X is allowed but Y is not and person Z who complains can't tell water vapor from smoke".

 

My wife and I avoid the ship casinos because of the smoke smell, but then again I don't cruise to gamble and who am I to demand they change things? I may put it on the comment cards, but those are just opinions (to which we are all entitled).

 

And no, making half the ship balconies "smoking" doesn't work when less than 20% smoke. Nor does making aft balconies "smoking" as those are premium cabins that people book for a reason. I wish there was a simple fix that gave everyone what they want but it just isn't there.

Edited July 9, 2014 by JasonV1

[SmogMonster]

I dont think this will have a significant impact on Carnival bookings either way. I know several have said they will cancel their booking but I am sure they will be replaced by non-smokers who are thrilled they can now book a balcony without having to worry about getting "smoked out".

 

I am not a smoker although I will enjoy a cigar from time to time. I am more worried about where all the smokers are going to go. As others have said, they have few options left. The smoke haters may regret this when they now find themselves smoked out of the casino or find themselves walking through a haze of smoke as the pass the casino or on the lido.

[luvtheships]

It's a sad day for me...

 

I choose to cruise so that I can rest and relax. Part of that rest and relaxation took place on my balcony enjoying the sights, sounds, and the occasional smoke.

 

Now that I don't (won't) have that option any longer, I don't see the need to book any future cruises with CCL, and since most of the other lines now have similar policies, I see no need to book any future voyages. Instead, I will divert my disposable income to other forms of vacation.

 

It's been a fun ride, but like all good things it has to end sooner or later, and it's now over for me...

 

You will be hard pressed to find a hotel or house rental that will allow smoking you know

 

Maybe an RV might be best. Of course you will have to own it and not rent it because if you rent there most certainly could be a no smoking clause.

 

 

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[jabberjaw070596]

I'm with you JabberJaw! BTW I am a smoker and I will still cruise with Carnival :)

My husband is a smoker as well!! We have made the decision we are going to try it on the Glory in February. If we don't like it then we will make other vacation plans

[astropilot]

Well ok but when they tried to ban large sodas in NYC it was overturned

 

Thankfully not everyone is going down this slippery slope and can realize when something is hurting just yourself and can distinguish it from smoking which is an enormous proven health hazard not only to the smoker but to innocent bystanders

 

 

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And yet it is still a legal activity gladly taxed by our goverment....

Edited July 9, 2014 by astropilot

[SIENA6334]

I do wish they would re-think the policy on E-cigarettes. I am ok with not allowing them in eating areas but I do believe they could allow them on the balconies. They do not emit harmful toxins and there is nothing more than "steam" from them - no odors. Yes, I am a smoker but I dislike being in a "smoking" designated area with no adequate ventilation such as the casino. I most certainly would not mind that being no smoking. Also, if people want to be so diligent making sure people don't smoke where they aren't allowed - then don't complain when people have a problem with other rules being broken i.e., the dress code in the dining room, the "chair hogs", and kids in the serenity or any adults only area etc. Either enforce all the rules or none of the rules, don't pick and choose. :cool:

Edited July 9, 2014 by SIENA6334

[luvtheships]

I dont think this will have a significant impact on Carnival bookings either way. I know several have said they will cancel their booking but I am sure they will be replaced by non-smokers who are thrilled they can now book a balcony without having to worry about getting "smoked out".

 

I am not a smoker although I will enjoy a cigar from time to time. I am more worried about where all the smokers are going to go. As others have said, they have few options left. The smoke haters may regret this when they now find themselves smoked out of the casino or find themselves walking through a haze of smoke as the pass the casino or on the lido.

 

Actually I agree and since I never book balconies due to cost plus smoke I am really ok with allowing smoking on them

 

I don't use the casino either due to smoke us not liking to lose money but I certainly don't want more smokers inside.

 

I say go one side ship balconies smoking and if you want one book early.

 

 

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[luvtheships]

And yet it is still a legal activity gladly taxed by our goverment....

 

It may be legal and thankfully highly taxed but it is not legal to smoke where it is banned.

 

So smoking in many many places is restricted...banned.....illegal

 

 

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[EZ4]

Does the cigar bar ring a bell?

 

I was thinking on a grander scale. LOL

[Mom33]

Rules were meant to be broken. Who here hasn't exceeded the legal speed limit? There are stiff fines for those, too, but it makes it makes people happy to bend the rules. Smoking on balconies will go the same way. And by the way - Speeding KILLS.

 

so do cigarettes

 

 

I will sail NCL as long as they allow balcony smoking and if/when they change that, I will switch to all inclusives and land tours.

 

And when you research these land vacations and are appalled at all their new smoking restrictions, then what will you do?

 

To the smokers replying to this thread......have you stopped and given thought to the reality of where you can smoke in your everyday lives?

Edited July 9, 2014 by Mom33

[billymatt]

Either enforce all the rules or none of the rules, don't pick and choose. :cool:

 

But picking and choosing is what complainers do best!

[tonit964]

I stated this earlier, I am a non-smoker but smoking doesn't bother me. I grew up in a smoking family and somehow I managed to remain a non-smoker. I could care less one way or another if someone smokes on their balcony or not.

 

However, I would be willing to bet that a good majority of everyone saying they're going to cancel their cruises or no longer do business with Carnival are just "blowing smoke", so to speak. I can't find it now because I don't want to go looking through hundreds of posts to find it, but there was one person that said they cancelled 12 rooms over the smoking ban. Really? Since this person can't smoke now, everyone they were travelling with were so upset also and just didn't want to travel anymore either and in disgust cancelled their trips as well just to protest the new policy? That's a bit too hard for me to believe. So, at minimum, an entire family reunion or trip with friends or whatever (with approximately 24 people, assuming 2 per cabin) is scrubbed over a new smoking policy? I doubt it.

 

The folks saying they are downgrading from balcony cabins to inside cabins are a bit more believable to me.

 

Those of you saying you're done with Carnival and taking your business elsewhere over and over and over and over again...adios. Your point is made.

 

The thing is, they can still smoke in the designated areas, just not on the balcony.

 

I guess the smokers only cruise to smoke. It seems silly to me to give up cruising all together because you are inconvenienced to walk to an smoking area.

[Tutontow]

Um, lots of non-smokers gamble too and some avoid the casino altogether because of the smoke. No offense, but you really have no idea how many people will return to the casino if it's smoke free so cruise prices are not necessarily going to rise.

 

Lots of assumptions.....

 

The Casinos in Niagara Falls on the Canadian side are all smoke free. They have no problem filling them. The do have heaters set up outside so the smokers can stay warm when they go outside to smoke. As a native Floridian I can only imagine how cold it would be during the winter without the heaters.

 

I fully understand that when people get nervous such as when they are gambling they are going to smoke and smoke a lot. As a nonsmoker every once in a while if I sit next to a heavy smoker while playing BJ I will get what I call a "hairball" and I will have to go into restroom. I won't gross you out with the details.

[sc4125]

You will be hard pressed to find a hotel or house rental that will allow smoking you know

 

Maybe an RV might be best. Of course you will have to own it and not rent it because if you rent there most certainly could be a no smoking clause.

 

 

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To be fair - I don't think anyone is suggesting that they be able to smoke in their cabin. They're talking about smoking on a balcony.

 

Hotels and rental property do not allow smoking inside. However, on a land vacation, you can go outside to smoke without having to squeeze into a small smoking area.

 

My biggest question to all of the anti-smokers - what do you have against ecigarettes??? They don't smell, you won't be taking in that second hand smoke, so what's the deal? I'm not a heavy smoker, but if I can't smoke a cigarette out on the balcony (which I really do understand, even though I don't really like it), why would anyone care if I were vaping?

[stobe1]

Rules were meant to be broken. Who here hasn't exceeded the legal speed limit? There are stiff fines for those, too, but it makes it makes people happy to bend the rules. Smoking on balconies will go the same way. And by the way - Speeding KILLS.

 

I'm assuming you have children. Is that what you taught your children? That rules were meant to be broken? I suppose you let them run wild and do whatever they wanted even though you had rules, you let them run all over you and disregard them since they were meant to be broken?

 

You can be killed in a crash even if driving under or right at the speed limit. What's your point?

[Disconnections]

I was thinking on a grander scale. LOL

 

You and I think alike, EZ4.

[Linerguy]

People are going to smoke on the balconies, butts will just be thrown overboard to avoid getting caught, or in a coke can that's tossed in the sea, or into the complaining neighbors balcony to burn the ship down. I'd probably go the coke can route though, I never litter with my butts, but that's going to be the mentality of a lot of smokers.

 

So, you'd stoop so low as to throw garbage into the sea to hide the fact that you've been breaking the rules by smoking on your balcony?

 

What was that about character?