SadieN Posted December 31, 2015 #76 Share Posted December 31, 2015 My friend and I are booked on the Ecstasy to sail on January 11-15th. We were both shocked and terribly saddened to learn of this horrible accident. Never mind we can't "unsee" that video. I don't mean to sound insensitive or selfish, because I truly do feel awful for this poor man's family and coworkers. I can't help wondering, though, if this tragedy will affect upcoming cruises on this ship...does anybody have any idea how Carnival usually handles tragedies on a ship... Do they let the ship keep sailing? I would hope that if they do that they would at least permanently shut down that elevator. The next sailing will go on, probably a bit late. Eventually the elevator will be reopened. There was a horrible domestic violence murder on the Elation a few years ago and it sailed. Wonder which elevator shaft? CNN reported that pax encountered it coming out of the dining room. Easy to shut down the center shaft, back side of the forward MDR. Logistical nightmare if it's the aft elevators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerlily10 Posted December 31, 2015 #77 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk with my post. I'm going to call Carnival soon. So far I haven't gotten any email from Carnival advising upcoming January passengers of anything. I just feel so incredibly sad about this accident. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerlily10 Posted December 31, 2015 #78 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thank you, SadieN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haoie Posted December 31, 2015 #79 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Tragic accident! Nothing reported in CC's new section yet though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zqvol Posted December 31, 2015 #80 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Still waiting for confirmation that this is really what people claim that it is, I'm not convinced. I don't think the video shows blood at all, but what it shows is hydraulic fluid. Blood doesn't flow like is shown in the video nor does a person bleed that much, even if a limb is cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaAnna Posted December 31, 2015 #81 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) This man's family will receive $20,000 compensation as per his contract for death-at-sea. There will then be a whip round on all Carnival ships to add to this. I'm sorry... but what does 'whip round' mean? I've never heard the expression before. EDITED TO ADD: Never mind, I googled it. Ya learn something new every day. Edited December 31, 2015 by BananaAnna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moniquet Posted December 31, 2015 #82 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Still waiting for confirmation that this is really what people claim that it is, I'm not convinced. I don't think the video shows blood at all, but what it shows is hydraulic fluid. Blood doesn't flow like is shown in the video nor does a person bleed that much, even if a limb is cut off. I thought the same. Now on the UK news websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Pilot Posted December 31, 2015 #83 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Still waiting for confirmation that this is really what people claim that it is, I'm not convinced. I don't think the video shows blood at all, but what it shows is hydraulic fluid. Blood doesn't flow like is shown in the video nor does a person bleed that much, even if a limb is cut off. My first thought as well. I'd be willing to be its hydrologic fluid. That stuff was pouring like a busted line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfin55 Posted December 31, 2015 #84 Share Posted December 31, 2015 There is still NO reason for the media to have the video, either to show it or not. Just how does seeing the video help one decide how to spend their travel dollars? The written story is enough. Do you really think this wouldn't have made the news without a video? In addition, there is one sleaze bag person who makes this type of thing his business and he would/will be all over it. He lives for any kind of accident on a cruise ship and every opportunity to slam cruising as dangerous. IT'S NEWS. We document everything we do in today's world by proxy of our 3rd eye, commonly known as a cell phone camera. If we didn't watch or crave this kind of "train wreck" story, they (the media) would not show it. So, you are in the vast minority among us. We always stop and look at a fender bender on the highway. This is quite an extraordinary event. Can't avoid human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzeluver Posted December 31, 2015 #85 Share Posted December 31, 2015 IT'S NEWS. We document everything we do in today's world by proxy of our 3rd eye, commonly known as a cell phone camera. Only thing about this story that is "news" is that so many think its real. Utterly fake. Blood does not drip like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 31, 2015 #86 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Horrific is the term I would use. When I see stuff like this pictured (let alone video'd) I tend to think what if the poor soul had been in my family would I want it out there for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsPhoenix91 Posted December 31, 2015 #87 Share Posted December 31, 2015 My first thought as well. I'd be willing to be its hydrologic fluid. That stuff was pouring like a busted line. Palmetto, can hydrologic fluid have that deep a color of red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlueRiband Posted December 31, 2015 #88 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Wow. Another person's tragedy now means, "How much compensation do I get for being traumatized by this sight? And I've got the video proof to my entitlement!" :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC1968 Posted December 31, 2015 #89 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Still waiting for confirmation that this is really what people claim that it is, I'm not convinced. I don't think the video shows blood at all, but what it shows is hydraulic fluid. Blood doesn't flow like is shown in the video nor does a person bleed that much, even if a limb is cut off. I don't know what kind of confirmation you expect. It's not a US-flagged vessel. We will not have any idea what Panamanian authorities conclude. Personally, I think if the worker in question were cut through the middle of the body by the descending elevator he could bleed that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut71 Posted December 31, 2015 #90 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) The half dozen or so police on the ship seemed pretty convinced it was blood. The homicide detective was fairly certain there was a dead guy in the elevator shaft. Carnival was pretty sure a crew member was deceased when they released his name and scheduled the grief counselors for the other members of the crew. But you're probably right that the substance you saw in the grainy cell phone footage was hydraulic fluid. Good catch. Edited December 31, 2015 by WingNut71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squiffynimrod Posted December 31, 2015 #91 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Palmetto, can hydrologic fluid have that deep a color of red? I work with hydraulic systems. The fluid can be almost any colour depending on the manufacturer, but has low opacity. I don't think what was shown was hydraulic fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2tcdx2 Posted December 31, 2015 #92 Share Posted December 31, 2015 If you listen to the video, you can hear a crew member asking them to leave the area and he ignores her. Then he tells the media how traumatizing it was for him and his family. What about the victim and his family? Exactly - the comments on how their vacation has been scarred by this tragedy yet they had the nerve to take photos and videos. Really if you didn't want to remember it you certainly wouldn't take pictures. First off they should have immediately sought out a crew member of some sort, not taking a video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseathoning Posted December 31, 2015 #93 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Is the internet now handing out forensic science degrees? I am not in the blood viscosity evaluation business, are you, zqvol? The man is gone. Whether there is blood colored hydraulic fluid or that is his blood, the key fact is the same. As far as the guy that took the video, I don't know his motivation. I do know that their cheap facebook package cause more people to walk around with their phones and is one MAJOR turnoff of Carnival. I cruise to unplug. How that applies to this is I think that young people are becoming more likely to document than to internalize, as if the phone takes over their emotions and they are not quite connecting with the moment, any moment, especially those that require assistance not narcissism. Not sure what malfunction makes a man think "let's film this" instead of "let's see if a life can be saved." Same thing happened with the Garland tornado, some guys who said they "also tried to help" filmed first. If your first thought at a sight like that is fame, and going viral, you just are probably a nihilist. I fear blankety-blank social media is breeding them. In the meantime, can we please keep discussions about how much and how a person bleeds, off of this forum? I pray the man went to Heaven and the family heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 31, 2015 #94 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The half dozen or so police on the ship seemed pretty convinced it was blood. The homicide detective was fairly certain there was a dead guy in the elevator shaft. Carnival was pretty sure a crew member was deceased when they released his name and scheduled the grief counselors for the other members of the crew. But you're probably right that the substance you saw in the grainy cell phone footage was hydraulic fluid. Good catch. Wow, when did you talk to the police or the homicide detective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted December 31, 2015 #95 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Was the next sailing delayed? I haven't read anything about authorities coming on board to investigate, which would have been during turn over time. I would think they'd need to cord off the area and not just hang a sheet over it. Were the other elevators in service? Unless I missed it, no one here has reported anything. Apparently there was a running video which I did not see, just a quick blurb being shown now. While writing and thinking, there is new posts I need to read, sorry. Edited December 31, 2015 by RuthlessBoss new posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseathoning Posted December 31, 2015 #96 Share Posted December 31, 2015 years ago my Wife and I happened upon a motorcycle accident. I won't describe the scene-the man was coming from a wedding and the bride and groom showed up to check on the victim. I have tried and tried to remove those images from my head. I still lose sleep over it. I asked the groom, really told him truthfully, that if you love your bride you will NOT let her see what I saw. Now this was before the proliferation of cell video but I can honestly tell you, had such a video been on my phone, I might have thrown it into a lake-I am weird like that. I have no sympathy for Mr. Davis. His children yes, obviously, because his first thought should have been to help if possible, and then of course shield his children from the sight. Now it seems as if he wants his 15 minutes and compensation. I fear for society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted December 31, 2015 #97 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Terrible accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibble Posted December 31, 2015 #98 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Wow, when did you talk to the police or the homicide detective? I would guess while his/her kids were being questioned. I didn't think it was unrealistic to expect they might do the same for 2 children who happened upon the unfortunate scene and who have had to endure questioning on the matter by both the police and Carnival security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted December 31, 2015 #99 Share Posted December 31, 2015 years ago my Wife and I happened upon a motorcycle accident. I won't describe the scene-the man was coming from a wedding and the bride and groom showed up to check on the victim. I have tried and tried to remove those images from my head. I still lose sleep over it. I asked the groom, really told him truthfully, that if you love your bride you will NOT let her see what I saw. Now this was before the proliferation of cell video but I can honestly tell you, had such a video been on my phone, I might have thrown it into a lake-I am weird like that. I have no sympathy for Mr. Davis. His children yes, obviously, because his first thought should have been to help if possible, and then of course shield his children from the sight. Now it seems as if he wants his 15 minutes and compensation. I fear for society. Yeah, motorcycles are dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut71 Posted December 31, 2015 #100 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I would guess while his/her kids were being questioned. Yes. I was present with my children while they were being interviewed by the authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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