ANTHEM of the Seas Troubles

[Cruise ship fan]

Thank you for your lecture professor. I was merely relaying what one passenger said.

Talk about shooting the messenger...

SHEESH.

 

 

I was just saying the passenger was dramatising the situation. Then you said I was wrong, when it is a subject in my field.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

I was just saying the passenger was dramatising the situation. Then you said I was wrong, when it is a subject in my field.

 

OK , The passenger was probably dramatising the situation, but I have seen similar things happen in wild seas .

[Cruise ship fan]

OK , The passenger was probably dramatising the situation, but I have seen similar things happen in wild seas .

 

Things a free to go side to side, just not up. If it goes up there are other factors at play, wont happen for object as big as a person. Well if they did, the ship would be having major issues.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Cruise ship fan

[happysnapper]

Does all that explain why we don't hit the back of the plane as it travel at 500-600MPH.:confused:

[Cruise ship fan]

Does all that explain why we don't hit the back of the plane as it travel at 500-600MPH.:confused:

You do not actually feel speed, as it does not have any force. You feel acceleration. When an aircraft is staying at a constant 500MPH, the aircraft is not accelerating, so therefore it doesn't place any forward force on the passengers.

 

An object will stay at its current speed unless there is a force acting on it. So if you are on a plane that doesn't accelerate and therefore doesn't put a force on the passenger, the passenger will not feel a thing.

[Pushka]

Mmm. That thread on RCL has gone rather amok now.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Pushka

[Esilef]

Have they returned to port yet?

[Bitter Bulldog]

Mmm. That thread on RCL has gone rather amok now.

 

 

Yeah some poster started posting porn gifs on all the Anthem threads haha!

 

 

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[Bitter Bulldog]

Have they returned to port yet?

 

 

Yes got In a few hours ago.

 

 

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[Cyrix400]

And this from the latest edition of Cruise Weekly - so where do you think the truth lies?

 

Anthem investigation

 

US SENATOR Bill Nelson

has called for the US National

Transportation Safety Board to

investigate why Anthem of the

Seas sailed into the storm last

weekend (CW 09 Feb).

 

“The thing about this storm

was that it was forecast for days.

So why in the world would a

cruise ship with thousands of

passengers go sailing right into

it?” Nelson said Mon on the

Senate floor.

 

Royal Caribbean broadcast an

interview with the ship master

Claus Andre Andersen to all the

staterooms on the RCTV internal

channel the day after the storm.

Andersen assured guests of his

experience and said the storm

was not forecast.

 

He said they were expecting a

“very durable” 4-5m of seas and

90km/h winds - not the 9m and

296km/h experienced.

“I’m telling you it’s a weird

storm that we experienced, but

the ship handled it very well.”the US National

Transportation Safety Board to

investigate why Anthem of the

Seas sailed into the storm last

weekend (CW 09 Feb).

 

“The thing about this storm

was that it was forecast for days.

So why in the world would a

cruise ship with thousands of

passengers go sailing right into

it?” Nelson said Mon on the

Senate floor.

 

Royal Caribbean broadcast an

interview with the ship master

Claus Andre Andersen to all the

staterooms on the RCTV internal

channel the day after the storm.

Andersen assured guests of his

experience and said the storm

was not forecast.

 

He said they were expecting a

“very durable” 4-5m of seas and

90km/h winds - not the 9m and

296km/h experienced.

 

“I’m telling you it’s a weird

storm that we experienced, but

the ship handled it very well.”

[Cyrix400]

'RCCL APOLOGISES FOR ANTHEM OF THE SEAS EXPERIENCE and strengthen storm avoidance policy

 

Royal Caribbean's Anthem of the Seas returned home to Cape Liberty, New Jersey this evening and the cruise line is offering its guests and crew an apology and a promise to avoid similar situations in the future.

 

In a statement issued by Royal Caribbean, the company apologized for its ship encountering sustained 120-mph winds during a winter storm off the coast of the Carolinas.

 

"We apologize for exposing our guests and crew to the weather they faced, and for what they went through."

 

Royal Caribbean also announced new plans to avoid storms like this with improved guidance.

 

Royal Caribbean, "identified gaps" in their planning system and acknowledged, "what happened this week showed that we need to do better."

 

Furthermore, Royal Caribbean announced their are strengthening their storm avoidance policy, and have added resources at their Miami headquarters to provide additional guidance ships' captains.

 

Much of the superficial damage to Anthem of the Seas has been repaired and the company expects Anthem of the Seas to resume her planned itinerary for next week's cruise"

 

Source: http://www.******************.com/

[CruiseCriticAUeditor]

There's a detailed update on the Cruise Critic News page:

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com.au/v-5/news/news.cfm?ID=6807

[The_Big_M]

And this from the latest edition of Cruise Weekly - so where do you think the truth lies?

 

Anthem investigation

 

US SENATOR Bill Nelson

has called for the US National

Transportation Safety Board to

investigate why Anthem of the

Seas sailed into the storm last

weekend (CW 09 Feb).

 

“The thing about this storm

was that it was forecast for days.

So why in the world would a

cruise ship with thousands of

passengers go sailing right into

it?” Nelson said Mon on the

Senate floor.

 

Royal Caribbean broadcast an

interview with the ship master

Claus Andre Andersen to all the

staterooms on the RCTV internal

channel the day after the storm.

Andersen assured guests of his

experience and said the storm

was not forecast.

 

He said they were expecting a

“very durable” 4-5m of seas and

90km/h winds - not the 9m and

296km/h experienced.

“I’m telling you it’s a weird

storm that we experienced, but

the ship handled it very well.”the US National

Transportation Safety Board to

investigate why Anthem of the

Seas sailed into the storm last

weekend (CW 09 Feb).

 

“The thing about this storm

was that it was forecast for days.

So why in the world would a

cruise ship with thousands of

passengers go sailing right into

it?” Nelson said Mon on the

Senate floor.

 

Royal Caribbean broadcast an

interview with the ship master

Claus Andre Andersen to all the

staterooms on the RCTV internal

channel the day after the storm.

Andersen assured guests of his

experience and said the storm

was not forecast.

 

He said they were expecting a

“very durable” 4-5m of seas and

90km/h winds - not the 9m and

296km/h experienced.

 

“I’m telling you it’s a weird

storm that we experienced, but

the ship handled it very well.”

 

I believe most of the above, though part of the report above is wrong. He actually said the storm was forecast, not as said above that it was not.

 

The issue is one of risk. Storms in that part of the world are very volatile i.e. change direction and strength, and weather forecasting like any forecasts are never certain.

 

I am sure what the captain said about the forecast at that particular time is true, the issue is that the conditions had been known for some time, and it was a significant risk to go ahead. Going ahead, it may have resulted in conditions better than expected - or worse than expected. In this case, it was worse, and the outcome is well known now.

 

Hence the apology by RCL that they _did_ make a mistake, as rare enough to get as that is.

[Haoie]

Good to have her safe and home. There'll be much handwringing for some time yet!

[Esilef]

I fully admit it. I have no knowledge of the factors at play during this event but from what I have read I believe that the captain acted to the best of his abilities to ensure the passengers, crew and ship were as protected as best as possible.

 

As to why they ended up in the middle of this I will leave it to the "quarterbacks" to tell us.

[spudstrawb]

It's easy to be critical with the benefit of hindsight and in hindsight they definitely shouldn't have taken the plan of attack that they did. But people keep asking why they would have sailed directly into the storm. My understanding is that they tried to skirt around the storm but the storm both changed course and intensified. Consequently they got run down by the storm. There is a massive difference between that and sailing directly into the storm.

 

In Anthem's case, they had limited options for avoiding the storm. They couldn't go further west because the US mainland was there. They couldn't go further east because that's where the storm was. They were trying to get south but things went pear-shaped. They probably would have gotten squeezed by the storm if they'd tried to go north as well. Probably the only safe option (in hindsight) was to not have sailed.

 

RCCL have now stated that they will review their processes to avoid a repeat. There are going to be implications as a result. We may end up with a number of false positives, where the ship doesn't sail or the itinerary changes dramatically because of a pending storm, and then the storm doesn't eventuate as forecast. They have to avoid a repeat of what just happened and they will be gun-shy (perhaps too far the other way now?) but if anyone thinks that the outcomes from this will be all positive then I think they will be wrong.

[The_Big_M]

Wow, the pro-RCL bullies have come out in the main thread today!

 

As for the situation, RCL has often in the past cancelled ports during the sailing and made other itinerary changes in their strange words due to "an abundance of caution." Clearly that was not the case here, which leads to valid questions about why not this time?

 

As for the situation some say the alternative was to hold tight due to the risk, again, RCL controls the ships and ports they operate from. It was their decision to base a ship in a relatively unstable region at that time of year. Experienced cruisers try to avoid the south around mid-late year, and the north-east in Winter, just as many avoid certain cruises in this part of the world for weather reasons. So when it all goes pear shaped as now, it is not the cruiser's fault, but the line for choosing to operating the service from there then.

 

It's certainly up to RCL to operate their business as they choose i.e. base ships wherever - but when things go wrong, the buck stops with them as well.

[OzKiwiJJ]

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RCCL have now stated that they will review their processes to avoid a repeat. There are going to be implications as a result. We may end up with a number of false positives, where the ship doesn't sail or the itinerary changes dramatically because of a pending storm, and then the storm doesn't eventuate as forecast. They have to avoid a repeat of what just happened and they will be gun-shy (perhaps too far the other way now?) but if anyone thinks that the outcomes from this will be all positive then I think they will be wrong.

 

What they'll end up doing is refusing to leave port of there is any sort of storm around, which will annoy a whole lot of other people. Lose-lose! :D :D

 

Goodness knows we've seen enough super-cell storms build up around parts of Australia, often without much warning. Carnival Spirit got caught in one last April.

[spudstrawb]

What they'll end up doing is refusing to leave port of there is any sort of storm around, which will annoy a whole lot of other people...

 

They may not have the option of staying in port though if the number of berths is small and the existing berth is already booked by another ship. They may have no choice but to head out to sea.

[OzKiwiJJ]

They may not have the option of staying in port though if the number of berths is small and the existing berth is already booked by another ship. They may have no choice but to head out to sea.

 

Good point. I know Sydney has a couple buoys/anchorages that can be used as overflow for the port. Would other ports have something similar?

[MicCanberra]

'RCCL APOLOGISES FOR ANTHEM OF THE SEAS EXPERIENCE and strengthen storm avoidance policy

 

Royal Caribbean's Anthem of the Seas returned home to Cape Liberty, New Jersey this evening and the cruise line is offering its guests and crew an apology and a promise to avoid similar situations in the future.

 

In a statement issued by Royal Caribbean, the company apologized for its ship encountering sustained 120-mph winds during a winter storm off the coast of the Carolinas.

 

"We apologize for exposing our guests and crew to the weather they faced, and for what they went through."

 

Royal Caribbean also announced new plans to avoid storms like this with improved guidance.

 

Royal Caribbean, "identified gaps" in their planning system and acknowledged, "what happened this week showed that we need to do better."

 

Furthermore, Royal Caribbean announced their are strengthening their storm avoidance policy, and have added resources at their Miami headquarters to provide additional guidance ships' captains.

 

Much of the superficial damage to Anthem of the Seas has been repaired and the company expects Anthem of the Seas to resume her planned itinerary for next week's cruise"

 

Source: http://www.******************.com/

 

I don't think they could have avoided the storm, if they had stayed in port, more damage to the ship and dock may have occurred. The 9 metre waves are not that bad, I am sure many of us have been through storms like that when cruising but the high winds are (especially if swirling) and may have made it so much harder to maintain the bow into the wind. At least they are looking at what can be done in the future to avoid this scenario again.:D

[The_Big_M]

I don't think they could have avoided the storm, if they had stayed in port, more damage to the ship and dock may have occurred. The 9 metre waves are not that bad, I am sure many of us have been through storms like that when cruising but the high winds are (especially if swirling) and may have made it so much harder to maintain the bow into the wind. At least they are looking at what can be done in the future to avoid this scenario again.:D

 

The storm didn't, and wasn't predicted to hit land, which was further off the path so it wasn't an either/or situation. If it came down to that they could well have sailed out knowing the immediate forecast.

 

However, staying nearer land would have given much more emergency access - as it came down to it, there were 4 people injured onboard, and there was damage to the ship and they had to return home to repair it. Instead of getting that addressed more readily, they were over a day out of port and had to sail further through the storm at slow speed to get back.