grandgeezer Posted February 12, 2016 #1176 Share Posted February 12, 2016 oops, sorry, double post. They spent three days going 6-8 knots and they didn't know they might have a propulsion problem? I think that's more than the superficial damage they admitted to having. They'll sail this weekend, fixed or not. They'll just change it to a seven day cruise to New York or Boston. Not a problem, the lemmings will eat it right up and proclaim it the best cruise ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 12, 2016 #1177 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) so your saying they didn't know they had lost half their propulsion! That might be even worse Read the link http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...368534091.html and you be the judge. Edited February 12, 2016 by cruisenfever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosjoe Posted February 12, 2016 #1178 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Seeing that we've cruised with Captain Claus 20+ times and have been on itineraries where the weather has been just as bad (October 15, 2011 Sydney to Perth........bad weather getting to Port Douglas) I think I'm very qualified to say he is a very good man. Agree, After taking the TA over with 2-30 foot waves and 90plus knot winds, I'm a believer. Capt. Claus Andersen strong!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 12, 2016 #1179 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Patti, let me save you now. Anything you say will get spun. Better off just no longer responding. Trust me. You'll want to bang your head against a wall. ;) LOL Jim just told me the same thing!!:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneught77 Posted February 12, 2016 #1180 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Serious question...what good would it have done for you to know there was a problem with part of the propulsion system.? I think it would have freaked people out which could have caused things to be even more tense than they already were. I guess two questions to ask would be 1) Did they know about the propulsion issue, or was this only discovered earlier today upon further inspection? 2) Would going to the PC port as originally planned and staying there been a better choice? I don't know enough about how these ships operate.. was sailing with a failing propulsion system a risk? I don't have the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinofdc Posted February 12, 2016 #1181 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Well, I suppose that might account for the "limping" pace of the trip back to Jersey. It seems unlikely that RCCL was unaware of this as it should be obvious to the ship's crew from the appearance of the wake. Hmm... I am about 100% sure that they knew about the propulsion system damage by early Tuesday, February 9, at the latest. Perhaps they didn't wish to "panic" the already seriously traumatized guests on the ship - I am not sure, yet not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But the "limping" was very obviously and the denial by silence has been very disconcerting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun07 Posted February 12, 2016 Author #1182 Share Posted February 12, 2016 changing arrival time from 6am to 9 pm. It would be impossible for them not to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted February 12, 2016 #1183 Share Posted February 12, 2016 True! Royal was quite generous with our 2012 Allure Hurricane Isaac cruise, which was shortened to 5 nights and sailed a vastly different itinerary from what we had booked. When I put a pencil to it, the $650 OBC plus 2 nights at Embassy Suites, plus up to $100 per day per person for food and incidentals, plus a 25% future cruise credit....Buz and I actually made a $265 profit. We were definitely thrilled. Carol - you were there on that cruise! Did you come out ahead too? Judy That's where we met! We made out even better than you! We had a JS, so we got $850. (we used some of it to treat ourselves Royally with dinner at 150 Central Park with wine pairing ;) ) Hotels covered, meals covered, transportation changes covered. (for two days) And since my sons live in Orlando, I just changed my flight from FLL to MCO and spent two wonderful days with them, and then they drove me to Fort Lauderdale for the cruise! The FCC was easy to apply, too. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 12, 2016 #1184 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I guess two questions to ask would be 1) Did they know about the propulsion issue, or was this only discovered earlier today upon further inspection? 2) Would going to the PC port as originally planned and staying there been a better choice? I don't know enough about how these ships operate.. was sailing with a failing propulsion system a risk? I don't have the answer 1) I suspect not because someone from the ship just reported cruising at 24 knots on day 1. 2) If it meant the end of the cruise, it's better to return the passengers to the embarkation port. Also, ending the cruise in PC would have been a PVSA violation. Cruises to nowhere are also no longer permitted but between the 2, the choice of the initial embarkation port is the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinofdc Posted February 12, 2016 #1185 Share Posted February 12, 2016 changing arrival time from 6am to 9 pm. It would be impossible for them not to know. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted February 12, 2016 #1186 Share Posted February 12, 2016 The engineering department knows if there is an issue with the propulsion system. My guess it was not disclosed to the media or passengers. The return trip was time for the team to assess the issue and see if it could be fixed. Now that uscg is involved the problem has obviously not been fixed and rccl is trying to troubleshoot and get partsand/or contractors. Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezwiz Posted February 12, 2016 #1187 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) 1) I suspect not because someone from the ship just reported cruising at 24 knots on day 1. 2) If it meant the end of the cruise, it's better to return the passengers to the embarkation port. Also, ending the cruise in PC would have been a PVSA violation. Cruises to nowhere are also no longer permitted but between the 2, the choice of the initial embarkation port is the better option. Day 1 @ 24 knots was before the storm, right? So the problem could have begun during or after the storm, I suppose. Would someone likely have noticed an odd wake? Also, wouldn't there be some other indication of such a problem via some sort of monitoring system? ETA: Thanks for the answer, poz222 - just saw your post. Edited February 12, 2016 by cheezwiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justmekaren918 Posted February 12, 2016 #1188 Share Posted February 12, 2016 The engineering department knows if there is an issue with the propulsion system. My guess it was not disclosed to the media or passengers. The return trip was time for the team to assess the issue and see if it could be fixed. Now that uscg is involved the problem has obviously not been fixed and rccl is trying to troubleshoot and get partsand/or contractors. Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk Wonder if the system is still under warranty[emoji13]? If steaming into a cat 5 Bombogenesis unplanned hurricane is covered in said warranty! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 12, 2016 #1189 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Day 1 @ 24 knots was before the storm, right? So the problem could have begun during or after the storm, I suppose. Would someone likely have noticed an odd wake? Also, wouldn't there be some other indication of such a problem via some sort of monitoring system? Yes, it was before the storm. I interpreted the question to mean...was there a problem before sailing, because someone else made that allegation. I may have misinterpreted the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun07 Posted February 12, 2016 Author #1190 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Wonder if the system is still under warranty[emoji13]? If steaming into a cat 5 Bombogenesis unplanned hurricane is covered in said warranty! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Like Rccl would be honest about it. " i don't know what happened, we didn't touch it! It was working fine and then it just stopped!. We swear!!! " Edited February 12, 2016 by shaun07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun07 Posted February 12, 2016 Author #1191 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Yes, it was before the storm. I interpreted the question to mean...was there a problem before sailing, because someone else made that allegation. I may have misinterpreted the question. considering the captains plan was to out run the storm i doubt it was an issue before sailing....then again it is rccl Edited February 12, 2016 by shaun07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justmekaren918 Posted February 12, 2016 #1192 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Like Rccl would be honest about it. " i don't know what happened, we didn't touch it! It was working fine and then it just stopped!. We swear!!! " [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyitsmema Posted February 12, 2016 #1193 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Day 1 @ 24 knots was before the storm, right? So the problem could have begun during or after the storm, I suppose. Would someone likely have noticed an odd wake? Also, wouldn't there be some other indication of such a problem via some sort of monitoring system? ETA: Thanks for the answer, poz222 - just saw your post. There is a picture on twitter of the wake that I saw yesterday. It did not look even at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabansail Posted February 12, 2016 #1194 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Seeing that we've cruised with Captain Claus 20+ times and have been on itineraries where the weather has been just as bad (October 15, 2011 Sydney to Perth........bad weather getting to Port Douglas) I think I'm very qualified to say he is a very good man. You really do lack a sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cgolf1 Posted February 12, 2016 #1195 Share Posted February 12, 2016 There were pics and a video on Twitter last night of tugs helping her dock, assuming now this was because of the propulsion issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 12, 2016 #1196 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) You really do lack a sense of humour. Probably because I didn't find any humor in your post in lieu of what is being discussed regarding the Captain. Edited February 12, 2016 by cruisenfever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun07 Posted February 12, 2016 Author #1197 Share Posted February 12, 2016 There were pics and a video on Twitter last night of tugs helping her dock, assuming now this was because of the propulsion issues. makes you wonder about what else they lie about....but don't worry they "will do better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyitsmema Posted February 12, 2016 #1198 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Found the picture but can't get it copied. It is in this guys twitter. https://twitter.com/Keckler12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun07 Posted February 12, 2016 Author #1199 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Glad to be back in port. 1 of the 2 engines was definitely not working at full capacity. Found the picture but can't get it copied. It is in this guys twitter. https://twitter.com/Keckler12 Edited February 12, 2016 by shaun07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbird1 Posted February 12, 2016 #1200 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Like Rccl would be honest about it. " i don't know what happened, we didn't touch it! It was working fine and then it just stopped!. We swear!!! " If you have sailed on ships with Az Pods you should probably know they can be prone to problems. I have been on the Freedom where its sailed an entire cruise on 1 Pod. The bearings in them can get damage and they shut them down however they can be used if really needed. So just consider that perhaps they did set sail with all the Pods fully operational. If the ship was anywhere near 20+ knows they were all operational. Let's assume one Pod was damaged in the storm so after the storm was over they shut it down as a precaution to prevent more damage. Yes they probably knew but at that point there was probably no need to get people more upset. The fact that they sailed so slowly coming back should have been the first clue. I am surprised no passengers noticed one Pod being out. I would have noticed it but would not have been concerned at that point. This is all based on the assumption these reports are accurate. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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