Rare LMaxwell Posted April 22, 2016 #1 Share Posted April 22, 2016 If Cuba turns out to be a successful venture for Carnival via Fathom, and subsequently for RCI with Empress of the Seas (a smaller ship being brought back into the fleet), do you think there is any possibility that Carnival would buy back a Holiday-class ship for use going to Cuba? I am not sure if a Fantasy-class ship would fit into Cuba ports but pretty sure Holiday-class would. Seems Holiday-class has its fair share of fans, and the heavy lifting has already been done to modernize the public spaces of the ship. Would you sail on Carnival to Cuba, and would you do so on a Holiday-class ship if available? Check out the ship here http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/Cruise-Ship%2C-1%2C452-Passengers-Stock-No.-S2168-2739071/Italy#.VxpGiVSZE_x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted April 22, 2016 #2 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I don't think that ad is current or relevant. Grand Celebration is in West Palm Beach. Holiday is sailing for Cruise & Maritims as Magellan; I understand Jubilee, who is/was sailing in Asia as Henna, possibly a gambling ship...is for sail. Would I sail on a Holiday class ship? Yes. I sailed Celebration twice. to Cuba? Not interested. EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted April 22, 2016 Author #3 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I don't think that ad is current or relevant. Grand Celebration is in West Palm Beach. Holiday is sailing for Cruise & Maritims as Magellan; I understand Jubilee, who is/was sailing in Asia as Henna, possibly a gambling ship...is for sail. Would I sail on a Holiday class ship? Yes. I sailed Celebration twice. to Cuba? Not interested. EM Both Holiday and Jubilee are for sale if anyone wants to pay the price. Grand Celebration is looking pretty spiffy these days sailing for Bahamas Celebration. So I think these are viable ships for 1500-2K guests and smaller ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Those yacht broker adds are always out there. They really mean nothing. The Norwegian Sky was listed on an off for a decade. MSC plans to operate the Opera out of Havana, and it is very close in size to the Fantasy class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted April 22, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Those yacht broker adds are always out there. They really mean nothing. The Norwegian Sky was listed on an off for a decade. MSC plans to operate the Opera out of Havana, and it is very close in size to the Fantasy class. Cheng what are the major factors / limitations on ship size that will fit in Havana harbor or use the port facilities? Is it draft below waterline only or?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Cheng what are the major factors / limitations on ship size that will fit in Havana harbor or use the port facilities? Is it draft below waterline only or?? From what I've heard, the passenger "facilities" are pretty limited, but MSC is putting some bucks into them. I believe the designated docks could accommodate one ship the size of Opera and one small ship like Adonia or Celestyal Crystal. Draft is a major concern, as I don't believe the Cuban government has spent much on dredging over the last few decades. Plus the fact that most of Havana's raw sewage flows into the harbor and you've got a place that calls out for dredging. The docks are actually deeper than parts of the harbor channel, and I think Opera will be close to the bottom, and may have to limit arrivals/departures to high tide times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitzmark Posted April 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Would you sail on Carnival to Cuba, and would you do so on a Holiday-class ship if available? I would not go to Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Iowa Posted April 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted April 22, 2016 visit Cuba! I've long wanted to see Cuba. I even kept my passport current from my birth country (when Americans were not permitted to visit Cuba) in hopes I would get there somehow. Unfortunately, the expensive fares I've seen so far make me wonder where the extra cost is going (to the Cuban governemnt?....not to the people who might be vendors, taxi drivers or tour guides). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachbum53 Posted April 22, 2016 #9 Share Posted April 22, 2016 So long as Cuba is being governed by a Communist dictator, I will not be going to Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted April 22, 2016 #10 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Magellan (Holiday) is not for sale. Henna (Jubilee) is laid up since Nov 2015 when HNA closed shop and is for sale for $35M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocko4279 Posted April 22, 2016 #11 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'd definitely like to sail on a Holiday class. I've even looked into the Grand Celebration, looks kinda nice the way it's updated. Cuba? No way, not interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseonthebrain Posted April 22, 2016 #12 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'm game. I will try anything once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalgeek Posted April 22, 2016 #13 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'd love to sail to Cuba for a visit. Hopefully before it's overrun with McDonaldses and Wal-Marts. I would want the people of Cuba to be making most of the money off trips to Cuba though. I have no idea how to make that happen but if it's possible, I hear Cuba is a beautiful island. Heck, I'd go just for the 50's car show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted April 22, 2016 #14 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Absolutely would not go and spend a dime there under the current Cuba commie regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotsauce126 Posted April 22, 2016 #15 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I barely have any interest in sailing on a fantasy class ship, let alone Holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryano Posted April 22, 2016 #16 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I would love to sail on a Holiday class ship again. Especially an updated one. No desire to go to Cuba though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tapi Posted April 22, 2016 #17 Share Posted April 22, 2016 MSC plans to operate the Opera out of Havana, and it is very close in size to the Fantasy class. Isn't the MSC Opera already performing these cruises? I saw it in Cozumel a few weeks ago and supposedly it was on a 7 day rotation from Havana that also included Montego Bay. For those of you not sailing to Cuba because you dont want to spend money on or support a communist country, I hate to break it to you but most of us already spend our money on products produced in communists countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryano Posted April 22, 2016 #18 Share Posted April 22, 2016 For those of you not sailing to Cuba because you dont want to spend money on or support a communist country, I hate to break it to you but most of us already spend our money on products produced in communists countries. Exactly :) How much China crap we buy? :eek: Thats not my reasoning. I just have no desire to visit Cuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esdoorn Posted April 22, 2016 #19 Share Posted April 22, 2016 For those of you not sailing to Cuba because you dont want to spend money on or support a communist country. I love those who live in glass houses: The U.S. debt to China is $1.238 trillion, as of January 2016. So, not only purchasing a ton of cheap plastic crap at Wal-Mart made in China, but owe over $1.2 trillion dollars to China, which is, yep you guessed it a communist country! I'd much rather visit Cuba (which I have done twice and would go back) that visit China (which I visited once) and have no desire to go back to that country where it is so hard to breath! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzeluver Posted April 22, 2016 #20 Share Posted April 22, 2016 For those of you not sailing to Cuba because you dont want to spend money on or support a communist country, I hate to break it to you but most of us already spend our money on products produced in communists countries. As usual Tapi, hitting the nail right on the head. To avoid contributing financially to a communist regime would be really tough. And why stop at just communist regimes? What about other countries we visit and contribute to that have corrupt governments that persecute their own citizens? Contrary to what 1950's high school text books taught us, communism has hardly cornered the market here. Jamaica, China, Russia, Haiti are just a few that come to mind that are regular stops on cruise ship itineraries. Personally I would love to go to Cuba and learn more about the people and not just what the media and grandpa's "durn commies" opinions would have me believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 22, 2016 #21 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Isn't the MSC Opera already performing these cruises? I saw it in Cozumel a few weeks ago and supposedly it was on a 7 day rotation from Havana that also included Montego Bay. For those of you not sailing to Cuba because you dont want to spend money on or support a communist country, I hate to break it to you but most of us already spend our money on products produced in communists countries. I think they are doing a limited season, but are planning on basing there year round either later this year or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandemcruzr Posted April 22, 2016 #22 Share Posted April 22, 2016 We have no desire to visit Cuba at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubetti Posted April 22, 2016 #23 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Right now, Carnival + Cuba = enough folks willing to spend a large sum of money for a 7-night cruise. Has ANYONE looked at fathom's rates?! They are not $1800 for a balcony cabin. That's for an inside and only for just 2 cruises in October '16, and that is per person, and does not include fees/taxes/Cuban visa charges. You're well over $4000 for this alone, https://www.fathom.org/cuba-whats-included/#spot Scroll down the page. Indeed, how much does the Castro regime get from these rates? You can be certain that they are getting a cut. That's how they do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esdoorn Posted April 22, 2016 #24 Share Posted April 22, 2016 We have no desire to visit Cuba at this time. Actually, this is the best time to go before it gets Americanized with McDonalds, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Wal-Mart, Lowes etc! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esdoorn Posted April 22, 2016 #25 Share Posted April 22, 2016 You could always fly from Toronto because it is cheaper than a cruise: Toronto to Holguin, Cuba Memories Holguin Beach Resort Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - 7 Days - All inclusive Now $305 + $380 taxes and fees Total $685.00 per person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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