Are many men still wearing tuxedoes on gala nights?

[Alphen]

Wear that bad boy and look good doing it! :) The officers will be in their new black (not white) formal jackets on gala night

 

Appart from crew, any military uniforms on Gala nights?

[Despegue]

To he honest, Alphen,

 

I find it totally inappropriate to wear Military Uniform onboard a civilian ship with an International crew and passengers.

I cringe every time I see a (mostly US) man wear Military uniform or medals on formal night. This is not a Military night, but a Civilian gala night where there might be people attending who have been negatively affected by military. And do not start with " but we should honour our hero's " etc. All NAVO troups over the last decades have just done their duties that they are paid for and agreed to do. All respect to the armed forces, I am still reserve Officer by the way, but that is reality. No Western country is at War.

 

It is even absolutely forbidden by the Belgian Forces to wear the Uniform unless approval is given by your CO.

[EDLOS]

Fifteen years ago you stood out if you did not wear a tux on "Formal" nights. today it seems the opposite on "Gala" nights.

What causes me to literally laugh out loud is that virtually all of the woman are dressed to the nines, sequins, glitzy dresses and then you see walking along side of them is a guy who looks like their gardener, No jacket, tie, rumpled shirt and pants. (And they pose for a formal picture)

Ladies, come alone, send him up to the Lido for dinner !

[Alphen]

To he honest, Alphen,

 

I find it totally inappropriate to wear Military Uniform onboard a civilian ship with an International crew and passengers.

I cringe every time I see a (mostly US) man wear Military uniform or medals on formal night. This is not a Military night, but a Civilian gala night where there might be people attending who have been negatively affected by military. And do not start with " but we should honour our hero's " etc. All NAVO troups over the last decades have just done their duties that they are paid for and agreed to do. All respect to the armed forces, I am still reserve Officer by the way, but that is reality. No Western country is at War.

 

It is even absolutely forbidden by the Belgian Forces to wear the Uniform unless approval is given by your CO.

 

Your opinion is noted, although I was inquiring about observations, not opinions.

[Hlitner]

To he honest, Alphen,

 

I find it totally inappropriate to wear Military Uniform onboard a civilian ship with an International crew and passengers.

I cringe every time I see a (mostly US) man wear Military uniform or medals on formal night. This is not a Military night, but a Civilian gala night where there might be people attending who have been negatively affected by military. And do not start with " but we should honour our hero's " etc. All NAVO troups over the last decades have just done their duties that they are paid for and agreed to do. All respect to the armed forces, I am still reserve Officer by the way, but that is reality. No Western country is at War.

 

It is even absolutely forbidden by the Belgian Forces to wear the Uniform unless approval is given by your CO.

 

I will hold most of my real feelings and politely say that we totally disagree with what you have posted. In fact, if I see a man or woman wearing a dress uniform....I thank them!

 

Hank

[ksmaxey]

I am inflight above the Atlantic after disembarking the Eurodam this morning. There was definitely many less dressed "formally" than our Baltic cruise on the same ship the same 2 weeks last year. The first formal night had more men wearing button down shirts without ties or jackets. I did see one man turned away in a polo shirt the first formal night. Ironically there was a crew member with tan pants and a long sleeved white polo shirt working in the dining room the second formal night.

 

They are in the process of rolling out the new uniforms on the Eurodam. The Pinnacle staff had the new blue shirts, orange button and vests. The dining room was anticipating them for the next leg.

 

I wore a suit both nights but there was probably less than 25% of men wearing any type of suit or tux.

 

Kevin

[Copper10-8]

Has white for officers completely gone away, even for the Caribbean? Even when 'white' is slightly out of season I still like to wear the white dinner jacket for at least one evening.

 

Dennis

 

It has, or will be. HAL is changing fleet-wide from the officers short white formal jacket with the rank insignia on shoulder boards to a slightly longer black formal jacket with the rank insignia on the sleeves. The "other parts" will remain the same; bow tie, white tuxedo shirt, black trousers, no cummerbund

[Copper10-8]

Appart from crew, any military uniforms on Gala nights?

 

Yes, you will see them, mostly U.S. military, but also seen a RCAF officer in mess dress.

[Rotterdam]

Fifteen years ago you stood out if you did not wear a tux on "Formal" nights. today it seems the opposite on "Gala" nights.

What causes me to literally laugh out loud is that virtually all of the woman are dressed to the nines, sequins, glitzy dresses and then you see walking along side of them is a guy who looks like their gardener, No jacket, tie, rumpled shirt and pants. (And they pose for a formal picture)

Ladies, come alone, send him up to the Lido for dinner !

 

While this lady is away w/ the gardner etc the Husband is away w/ his secretary on another ship????

[Alphen]

Yes, you will see them, mostly U.S. military, but also seen a RCAF officer in mess dress.

 

Thanks John.

[blizzardboy]

My favorites are the gentlemen in Scottish formal attire, complete with kilt and sporran. For some reason the ladies in the Queen's Lounge were all eyes when a dancing gent so attired did his spin moves.

[navybankerteacher]

To he honest, Alphen,

 

I find it totally inappropriate to wear Military Uniform onboard a civilian ship with an International crew and passengers.

 

...

 

It is even absolutely forbidden by the Belgian Forces to wear the Uniform unless approval is given by your CO.

 

When the uniform regulations of the military service with which a given uniform is associated provide for the wearing of that uniform at non-military occasions,

THAT is the the indicator of whether it is appropriate.

 

If you are involved with the Belgian military, then of course you should comply with their uniform regulations and traditions. For those not so involved, what the Belgian forces do does not even rise to the level of being inappropriate.

[Skoogs]

On our 11 day cruise aboard the Maasdam, April 29th 2016. We had two Gala Nights, we had fixed dining, early seating. I did not see one gentleman in a tuxedo. I did see many suits of various colors, guys in sport coats and guys with no coats, just collared shirts. I wore my "cruise suit" . It's the only time I wear suit anymore. I like doing it.

[Despegue]

Question for those who support the wearing of Military insigna and uniforms onboard:

 

How would you react if an Iranian couple is cruising and the gentleman is proudly wearing his Republican Guard Nr.1? How would an Israeli passenger react on this?

 

Or A Russian gentleman wearing his Russian Airforce uniform sitting next to a Turkish family or vice-versa?

 

An Argentine Officer proudly wearing his medals of the Islas Malvinas (Falkland) operation where he earned the distinction for sinking HMS Sheffield being seated next to the British family that lost an uncle during the Falkland War?

 

Not only NATO members cruise onboard HAL you know...

 

Military uniforms have NO place AT ALL onboard International market cruise ships.

One of the first things you learn when enlisted is to be AT ALL TIMES discreet and considerate to your environment, especially when wearing the Uniform.

I know that I will be in the minority here on this mainly North American forum, but that is my opinion, and I stick with it, being ex. Belgian Navy.

[bra1nchild]

I bought it. I paid for it. And I'm going to wear it when we are on anything longer than 7 nights.

[Rotterdam]

My favorites are the gentlemen in Scottish formal attire, complete with kilt and sporran. For some reason the ladies in the Queen's Lounge were all eyes when a dancing gent so attired did his spin moves.

 

There are also a few men eyeing those men in kilts.....

[dakrewser]

Question for those who support the wearing of Military insigna and uniforms onboard:

 

How would you react if an Iranian couple is cruising and the gentleman is proudly wearing his Republican Guard Nr.1? How would an Israeli passenger react on this?

 

Or A Russian gentleman wearing his Russian Airforce uniform sitting next to a Turkish family or vice-versa?

 

An Argentine Officer proudly wearing his medals of the Islas Malvinas (Falkland) operation where he earned the distinction for sinking HMS Sheffield being seated next to the British family that lost an uncle during the Falkland War?

 

I know what you mean. It's the way I feel when some bozo in a tux sits down next to me in my cargo shorts and wife-beater shirt...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

[Hlitner]

Question for those who support the wearing of Military insigna and uniforms onboard:

 

How would you react if an Iranian couple is cruising and the gentleman is proudly wearing his Republican Guard Nr.1? How would an Israeli passenger react on this?

 

Or A Russian gentleman wearing his Russian Airforce uniform sitting next to a Turkish family or vice-versa?

 

An Argentine Officer proudly wearing his medals of the Islas Malvinas (Falkland) operation where he earned the distinction for sinking HMS Sheffield being seated next to the British family that lost an uncle during the Falkland War?

 

Not only NATO members cruise onboard HAL you know...

 

Military uniforms have NO place AT ALL onboard International market cruise ships.

One of the first things you learn when enlisted is to be AT ALL TIMES discreet and considerate to your environment, especially when wearing the Uniform.

I know that I will be in the minority here on this mainly North American forum, but that is my opinion, and I stick with it, being ex. Belgian Navy.

 

Perhaps that is how Belgium treats their military (which was defeated in 18 days in WWII) but that is not how a lot of us feel about our own military (and veterans). When I was in the military, we learned to wear our uniforms with "Pride".....not to be "discrete." Guess I am cognizant that if it were not for the men/women in uniform, we would likely not be cruising or even having this free discussion. And in terms of your own country, if it were not for the men/women who wore uniforms for other countries (especially mine)....you would not even have a country! So perhaps instead of being critical of men/women in uniform on a formal night, you might want to consider going up to those folks and saying "thank you."

 

Hank

[Despegue]

I will not dignify last post with an answer,but rest assured that I am very insulted.

 

I will suggest deletion of all post pertaining to this discussion, where I posted my own personal opinion, remaining polite, an opinion that is,granted ,not the same as a majority of Americans here.

 

I will also stop posting for now on this forum as a result of this insult as it is clear that opinions that differ from the general "American" view are not appreciated.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Despegue

[ger_77]

I don't see anything wrong with anyone wanting to wear their military dress uniform on Gala night. A friend of ours is a high ranking officer of our city's police force (in Canada) and brought his dress uniform to wear - I have to admit, he turned more than a few heads with his bright red jacket adorned with gold insignia, cord, etc. Some people may be offended because my husband wears a tux, thinking "just because he can afford a tuxedo, he doesn't have to rub our noses in it." You can't please 'em all !

 

Smooth Sailing ! :) :) :)

[blizzardboy]

Question for those who support the wearing of Military insigna and uniforms onboard:

 

How would you react if an Iranian couple is cruising and the gentleman is proudly wearing his Republican Guard Nr.1? How would an Israeli passenger react on this?

 

Or A Russian gentleman wearing his Russian Airforce uniform sitting next to a Turkish family or vice-versa?

 

An Argentine Officer proudly wearing his medals of the Islas Malvinas (Falkland) operation where he earned the distinction for sinking HMS Sheffield being seated next to the British family that lost an uncle during the Falkland War?

 

Not only NATO members cruise onboard HAL you know...

 

Military uniforms have NO place AT ALL onboard International market cruise ships.

One of the first things you learn when enlisted is to be AT ALL TIMES discreet and considerate to your environment, especially when wearing the Uniform.

I know that I will be in the minority here on this mainly North American forum, but that is my opinion, and I stick with it, being ex. Belgian Navy.

Are they packing sidearms? If not, their military full dress is entirely appropriate. Is a Scotsman in his formal kilt and full clan attire okay? Before you say yes, are you aware they carry a small ceremonial dagger in the top of one of their knee-high stockings? If you were to attend a formal affair at an embassy, you might very well see full dress uniforms from several countries. I respect the uniform no matter the country of origin.

[3rdGenCunarder]

Are they packing sidearms? If not, their military full dress is entirely appropriate. Is a Scotsman in his formal kilt and full clan attire okay? Before you say yes, are you aware they carry a small ceremonial dagger in the top of one of their knee-high stockings? If you were to attend a formal affair at an embassy, you might very well see full dress uniforms from several countries. I respect the uniform no matter the country of origin.

 

I thought some Scotsman were foregoing the dagger these days because of the security hassles bringing in on board. I think I recall a discussion of fake (plastic) knife vs none at all. (Probably on the Cunard board)

 

Don't some scots wear the tartan of their military regiment, not a clan? Whether regiment or clan, they always look impressive.

 

When my BIL retired from the Navy, we all took a cruise to celebrate. He wanted to get on a ship and NOT have to work! For formal night, he wore his dress whites and looked wonderful. A few people thanked him for his service. A few young ladies in the casino thought he was a ship's officer and posed for a quick photo before he could explain. Alas this was quite a few years ago, and his dress whites no longer fit...

[iancal]

Despegue... I never gave it much thought however I do agree with you. Not quite certain why one would wear their uniform outside their country, while on vacation. Asked a few of our friends/relatives who have served. The answers, the ones that could be printed, were a resounding No.

Edited June 11, 2016 by iancal

[navybankerteacher]

I will not dignify last post with an answer,but rest assured that I am very insulted.

 

I will suggest deletion of all post pertaining to this discussion, where I posted my own personal opinion, remaining polite, an opinion that is,granted ,not the same as a majority of Americans here.

 

I will also stop posting for now on this forum as a result of this insult as it is clear that opinions that differ from the general "American" view are not appreciated.

 

I am sorry that you feel insulted - essentially because a number of people took issue with your narrow point of view, apparently largely based upon Belgian military tradition.

 

Of course, a logical extension of your attitude would be to object to ordained ministers wearing clerical collars bacause that might offend atheists, or for women of Indian extraction wearing saris, or, for that matter, anyone wearing anything suggestive of national identity because someone somewhere would be offended.

 

Quite frankly, even though I have some personal reservations about the Iranian government , I claim no right to object to an Iranian wearing a uniform in accordance with the traditions and regulations of the Iranian organization that uniform might represent. Claiming such right, as you appear to do, is an exercise in arrogance. I think I would exercise discretion in avoiding any political (or perhaps any) discussion with someone in Iranian Republican Guard uniform.

 

There are some uniforms which have clearly odious connections: Prince Harry of England acted like a complete ass in wearing a **** uniform -- but in any civilized society even asses are given some rights.

[Copper10-8]

Are they packing sidearms? If not, their military full dress is entirely appropriate. Is a Scotsman in his formal kilt and full clan attire okay? Before you say yes, are you aware they carry a small ceremonial dagger in the top of one of their knee-high stockings? If you were to attend a formal affair at an embassy, you might very well see full dress uniforms from several countries. I respect the uniform no matter the country of origin.

 

Side/firearms are not allowed onboard, period! If the "sgian-dubh" has a blade of more than 2 1/2 inches, it will be confiscated on boarding and returned when the pax who brought it, completes his cruise.