Computer Nerd Posted January 15, 2017 #101 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Is it? You are free to tip extra, as well. It can make a difference in crowded areas, especially with so many with the beverage package. So you don't think 18% to pop a top off a beer isn't enough? Really?? :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted January 15, 2017 #102 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Not a problem at all. So, do you think if you are behind me at the bar and I'm trying to order a beer you should be allowed to go ahead of me because you tip above the mandatory 18%? Otherwise, I have no idea what kind of preferential treatment you are expecting for that extra tip. To add, if you do think you should go ahead of me or worse, the bartender decides to serve you before serving me when I was there first, I will go to GS and not only remove that mandatory 18% but I will pull all tips. If you or someone else tip extra because you like the person, that's fine. If you or the bartenders think that others can be pushed out of the way because you tip extra, then there's a problem. Edited January 15, 2017 by Computer Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired LEO Posted January 15, 2017 #103 Share Posted January 15, 2017 So, do you think if you are behind me at the bar and I'm trying to order a beer you should be allowed to go ahead of me because you tip above the mandatory 18%? Otherwise, I have no idea what kind of preferential treatment you are expecting for that extra tip. To add, if you do think you should go ahead of me or worse, the bartender decides to serve you before serving me when I was there first, I will go to GS and not only remove that mandatory 18% but I will pull all tips. If you or someone else tip extra because you like the person, that's fine. If you or the bartenders think that others can be pushed out of the way because you tip extra, then there's a problem. I still see no problem. It's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted January 15, 2017 #104 Share Posted January 15, 2017 So, do you think if you are behind me at the bar and I'm trying to order a beer you should be allowed to go ahead of me because you tip above the mandatory 18%? Otherwise, I have no idea what kind of preferential treatment you are expecting for that extra tip. To add, if you do think you should go ahead of me or worse, the bartender decides to serve you before serving me when I was there first, I will go to GS and not only remove that mandatory 18% but I will pull all tips. If you or someone else tip extra because you like the person, that's fine. If you or the bartenders think that others can be pushed out of the way because you tip extra, then there's a problem. Let's say you and I are sitting at a crowded bar with empty drinks in front of us, I've been tipping all night, you haven't. Who is getting served first? The bartenders will check in on the good tippers regularly to see if they need refills. If it's not busy, everyone will get served equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted January 15, 2017 #105 Share Posted January 15, 2017 If letting someone go in front of me - saves me 18% - I am all for it! That is why I stopped tipping - just not worth it to me to compete with the crazy tippers!:cool: Wish they would have more Coke machines - that would save bartenders from serving soft-drinks ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 15, 2017 #106 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Good answer computer nerd.If I stand and wait my turn at a bar for a while and the bartender served someone behind me I would insist that i was there first and expect to be servrd Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho and Barb Posted January 15, 2017 #107 Share Posted January 15, 2017 We have sat at the casino bar many times. Sometimes we tip...Sometimes we didn't. But we did come down one night when the bar was slammed. We didn't have to order...Our drinks just appeared before us. Firm believer in taking care of your favorite bartender Sent from Psycho's iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted January 16, 2017 #108 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I still see no problem. It's the way it is. All I can say is I hope you give plenty of tips then to those bartenders because it will take quite a few to make up for the loss of $90 in tips that I pull at GS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted January 16, 2017 #109 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Let's say you and I are sitting at a crowded bar with empty drinks in front of us, I've been tipping all night, you haven't. Who is getting served first? The bartenders will check in on the good tippers regularly to see if they need refills. If it's not busy, everyone will get served equally. If I'm in front of you, it damn well better be me. If he/she looks past me to serve you, then there will be hell to pay (not with you of course but first with that bartender and then with GS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usdmattiphone Posted January 16, 2017 #110 Share Posted January 16, 2017 As a former bartender better tippers don't usually get served behind another paying customer, but they might only have to pay for 2 of the 4 drinks they just ordered, and they might be stronger than normal. There are ways you can be shown appreciation for good tips other than being served first. A bad tipper I might only get then another drink if they ask, whereas I will frequently check in with the bigger tipper to find out if they'd like another (sometimes for free or discounted). Shifts a small part of the money to a bartenders pocket. This of course is if you work for a bar that doesn't require metered drink pours and takes inventory nightly of bottle weights. Establishments understand that a happy well tipping customer will likely spend more money over the course of their visit, than someone that doesn't tip and will practically try to use a coupon on a drink. Tip or don't tip, that's up to you, if you think they should do their job for what you pay them, then a good service employee will do just that, but not another thing out of the ordinary. There are too many people that try to claim they'll "take care of you at the end of the night" if you treat them right, but for every 1 person that actually follows through, there are 5 others out there trying to get you to treat them special with no intention of a better tip, or even a better attitude. This of course is all purely a cultural thing from the US, so I'm aware this doesn't necessarily apply to other countries. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anandaindonesia Posted January 16, 2017 #111 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Americans created this problem for themselves. Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 16, 2017 #112 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thank you for your insight into bartending thinking. Some of your points about drink strength are true and I have got drinks not on the diamond list from bar staff I have tipped. I agree with computer nerd that I will wait my turn but will speak up if someone is blatantly served before me. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted January 16, 2017 #113 Share Posted January 16, 2017 As a former bartender better tippers don't usually get served behind another paying customer, but they might only have to pay for 2 of the 4 drinks they just ordered, and they might be stronger than normal. There are ways you can be shown appreciation for good tips other than being served first. A bad tipper I might only get then another drink if they ask, whereas I will frequently check in with the bigger tipper to find out if they'd like another (sometimes for free or discounted). Shifts a small part of the money to a bartenders pocket. This of course is if you work for a bar that doesn't require metered drink pours and takes inventory nightly of bottle weights. Establishments understand that a happy well tipping customer will likely spend more money over the course of their visit, than someone that doesn't tip and will practically try to use a coupon on a drink. Tip or don't tip, that's up to you, if you think they should do their job for what you pay them, then a good service employee will do just that, but not another thing out of the ordinary. There are too many people that try to claim they'll "take care of you at the end of the night" if you treat them right, but for every 1 person that actually follows through, there are 5 others out there trying to get you to treat them special with no intention of a better tip, or even a better attitude. This of course is all purely a cultural thing from the US, so I'm aware this doesn't necessarily apply to other countries. Sent from my iPhone using Forums That'd be a great way for crew to loose their job, giving away free drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted January 16, 2017 #114 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If I'm in front of you, it damn well better be me. If he/she looks past me to serve you, then there will be hell to pay (not with you of course but first with that bartender and then with GS). I'm with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted January 16, 2017 #115 Share Posted January 16, 2017 As a former bartender better tippers don't usually get served behind another paying customer, but they might only have to pay for 2 of the 4 drinks they just ordered, and they might be stronger than normal. There are ways you can be shown appreciation for good tips other than being served first. A bad tipper I might only get then another drink if they ask, whereas I will frequently check in with the bigger tipper to find out if they'd like another (sometimes for free or discounted). Shifts a small part of the money to a bartenders pocket. This of course is if you work for a bar that doesn't require metered drink pours and takes inventory nightly of bottle weights. Establishments understand that a happy well tipping customer will likely spend more money over the course of their visit, than someone that doesn't tip and will practically try to use a coupon on a drink. Tip or don't tip, that's up to you, if you think they should do their job for what you pay them, then a good service employee will do just that, but not another thing out of the ordinary. There are too many people that try to claim they'll "take care of you at the end of the night" if you treat them right, but for every 1 person that actually follows through, there are 5 others out there trying to get you to treat them special with no intention of a better tip, or even a better attitude. This of course is all purely a cultural thing from the US, so I'm aware this doesn't necessarily apply to other countries. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Seems to me the bartender is risking losing his/her job by giving product away without having the customer pay for it. Could you imagine what would happen to a server at say Chili's if I ordered only an entree and they brought me an appetizer and desert "on the house" only because I tipped above the norm (since we are talking about over tipping.....every drink on a cruise ship already has an 18% tip attached to it)? I don't know about others but if I owned such a place and a server (or bartender) was giving my product away for in an attempt to line their pocket with extra tips they would be gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freehike Posted January 16, 2017 #116 Share Posted January 16, 2017 These tipping threads always get people hot under the collar, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As someone who grew up in poverty, I watched my mother struggle to make ends meet as a server. I'll never forget seeing how hard she worked for almost nothing. I've always remembered that and I tip accordingly. It's a crap job and these employees are paid very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted January 16, 2017 #117 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If I'm in front of you, it damn well better be me. If he/she looks past me to serve you, then there will be hell to pay (not with you of course but first with that bartender and then with GS). I am not behind you, I'm sitting at the bar, you are sitting at the bar. Besides the tipping, we are equal. Bars don't really have lines, it's not so easy to see who is next. Tipping help you to stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted January 16, 2017 #118 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Americans created this problem for themselves. Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk It's usually not the Americans who complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 16, 2017 #119 Share Posted January 16, 2017 In the UK we wait our turn patiently and don't jump in or expect someone to jump in front of us. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 16, 2017 #120 Share Posted January 16, 2017 In the UK we wait our turn patiently and don't jump in or expect someone to jump in front of us. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app I always like the fact that in a busy UK pub, the bar man/maid will often ask 'Who's next?' There is then 3 or 4 minutes whilst all the customers decide amongst themselves as to the correct sequence of arrival times at the bar. It restores your faith in humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 16, 2017 #121 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If it is a busy city centre pub the bar staff are usually spot on.While in general people like me from North East England are tolerent and I will say he/she is before me if they are but if someone tries to push in they will not be served quicker. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted January 16, 2017 #122 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) I am not behind you, I'm sitting at the bar, you are sitting at the bar. Besides the tipping, we are equal. Bars don't really have lines, it's not so easy to see who is next. Tipping help you to stand out. I have no idea what bars you frequent on board but for the life of me, I cannot remember a single pool bar that has a place to sit where you order drinks at. They have seat a few feet away but not directly at the bar that I can recall. That being said, even if there are a couple of seats there, I never sit at a bar. I walk up, notice who is there, and raise my hand and say hello to the bartender. If you are slurping a drink while I'm raising my hand and then you decide you want another drink, I was ordering first and will be served first. Edited January 16, 2017 by Computer Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup4565 Posted January 17, 2017 #123 Share Posted January 17, 2017 This is the advice a very experienced cruiser gave to me. Choose one bar on the ship you will likely go back to often. (For me, that's the Schooner Bar, but pick your choice.) Tip, on top of the drink price with its added gratuity, every time you order. You won't be disappointed. He was correct. Not going into details, but it's never a bad thing to have a good relationship with the staff in a bar. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted January 17, 2017 #124 Share Posted January 17, 2017 This is the advice a very experienced cruiser gave to me. Choose one bar on the ship you will likely go back to often. (For me, that's the Schooner Bar, but pick your choice.) Tip, on top of the drink price with its added gratuity, every time you order. You won't be disappointed. He was correct. Not going into details, but it's never a bad thing to have a good relationship with the staff in a bar. ; ) Said it before I'll say it again, I never pre tip, never tip as I go, MIGHT tip at the end of the cruise, always treat the staff nice, always say please and thank you, how's your day, always get great service. Never wait, drink often poured before I get to the bar, have staff call out to others what I'll want. Not sure what you are all paying big for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted January 17, 2017 #125 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I have no idea what bars you frequent on board but for the life of me, I cannot remember a single pool bar that has a place to sit where you order drinks at. They have seat a few feet away but not directly at the bar that I can recall. That being said, even if there are a couple of seats there, I never sit at a bar. I walk up, notice who is there, and raise my hand and say hello to the bartender. If you are slurping a drink while I'm raising my hand and then you decide you want another drink, I was ordering first and will be served first. The last ship I was on was the NCL Breakaway, definitely seats at the bar, but where in this thread was it limited to pool deck bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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