Club class dining...who agrees

[shepp]

But there is already a class system for laundry. Suites get laundry back in one day even if elites take three or four because of the number of elites on the cruise. And laundry is a zero-sum game. Prioritization of suite laundry could potentially be one of the things delaying elite laundry.

 

Hmmm...didn't know that, never having been in a suite. And as I recall, you can pay extra for one-day service, anyway. Bad example.

[shepp]

To try and take away that ability is just socialism at its best. Last I checked we do not live in a socialist state.

 

Um, wrong. Socialism is about control of the means of production, and it would apply if, for instance, the workers had control of Princess Cruise Lines and had an equal share in its profits, or if the community as a whole owned the line and regulated it.

 

We live in an oligarchy where a tiny minority own most of the wealth of this country and wield a whole lot of political and cultural influence. "If I can afford to pay, others will have to bring up the rear" is oligarchy at its best.

 

Please, if you're going to make political points, try to be accurate.

Edited January 19, 2017 by shepp

[Elpcoltman]

Club Class doesn't bother me as long as they don't cheapen the basic product. No matter where you go, somebody who's paying more is getting more. Unless you buy at the highest possible level, this is unavoidable. Airlines, hotels, whatever. But if they move more in the direction of taking away things that we've had in the past, then I'll probably get pretty ticked.

 

This is socialist entitlement at its best. The free market doesn't work that way. Try finding a cruise line or any other product that haven't either raise prices or cheapen the product to accommodate rising costs of doing business. They can't abuse the crew any more than they already have so they have to find revenue elsewhere.

[4cats4me]

Oh goody, yet another Club Class thread.

 

 

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[Candycrusher]

I have been on Princess in the past with ATD, before CC, and it has always had its problems. A friend of mine just got off the Harmony of the Seas and had ATD and said it was a disaster. I hear this across the board. If there are issues with ATD, CC should not take the blame.

 

 

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[shepp]

This is socialist entitlement at its best. The free market doesn't work that way. Try finding a cruise line or any other product that haven't either raise prices or cheapen the product to accommodate rising costs of doing business. They can't abuse the crew any more than they already have so they have to find revenue elsewhere.

 

You obviously have a bee in your bonnet over your misconception of socialism. So are we to understand that you're enthusiastic about "abusing" the crew and giving you less for your money in search of profits?

[Elpcoltman]

You obviously are deliberately missing the point. Something has got to give. Raising prices, cheapen the product or pay the workers less. They can not pay the poor crew any less so pay as you go is option A. There may be options B or C down the line but they are in the business of making money.

Edited January 19, 2017 by Elpcoltman

[Cruise Junky]

But it does not matter how much you pay for your cabin to be eligible for the e/s/p hour. If eligible by having been on a number of Princess cruises, you can be in the least expensive inside cabin and still attend.

 

And I have been on cruises where 1800 of the passengers were eligible to attend the e/s/p hour, hardly making it an exclusive benefit.

 

You could be on your first princess cruise and qualify in a suite. All that takes is $$$ people just don't complain because half of this board qualifies.

[shepp]

You obviously are deliberately missing the point. Something has got to give. Raising prices, cheapen the product or pay the workers less. They can not pay the poor crew any less so pay as you go is option A. There may be options B or C down the line but they are in the business of making money.

 

This is only your third post, so perhaps you're unaware that outright political invective like this - where you kinda pink-baited someone for not wanting her benefits taken away - are usually frowned upon here.

 

Therefore, I'll not respond further, except that to ask that if you (and another poster who coincidentally posted just before you) are going to use "socialist" as a not-so-veiled put-down, you learn what the term means. After all, I don't dopily go around calling Club Class "fascism at its best."

Edited January 19, 2017 by shepp

[SadieN]

Just off the Ruby.

Club Class occupied one side alcove of the MDR that switches from Assigned to Anytime. Never saw it more than 1/4 full and only saw one table side preparation being done. We never had a wait for ATD, there was always tables available but we never ate on Formal nights.

Edited January 19, 2017 by SadieN

[caribill]

So you're upset that you MIGHT have to wait for an ATD table? How can you blame that on CC when there are so many other potential reasons for the delay at that moment and CC has nothing to do with it.

 

If there are empty tables in the CC section and a number of passengers waiting with beepers to get a table in that dining room, then it is obvious some are not being seated just because of CC waiting for passengers who may or may not come to dinner there.

[tequilasunrise]

 

Those are not just "extras," but take-aways from the rest of us. May not in practice be a big deal, but that's what people are objecting to. .

 

That's the argument so many people just aren't acknowledging. For example, "express boarding" isn't "express" if half the ship has it. Anytime dining, which already has a problem with wait times (see all the debates on this board), will see even longer waits than it does already because fewer tables will be available for the riff raff.

 

That being said; there are always people willing to pay for this sort of thing, there is a precedent in the industry, and if they sail with mostly full ships and more revenue---it's going to be how it is. Letters; customer satisfaction or not. Money wins, and you can't blame them. Princess is not a charitable organization. It's just unfortunate for most of us.

 

Our response is to take more land based vacations. There's always a choice.

[Woobstr112G]

I'm getting tired of people complaining about Princess offering extras to people who are willing to pay for them.

 

On my last couple of cruises on Princess, I greatly enjoyed breakfast at Sabatini's. If the protest against Club Class Dining is successful, I guess the next step will be to protest the class system at breakfast. Why should I be able to get better service at breakfast just because I pay more for my cabin? Why is Sabatini's reserved for such a small group of people in the morning when the rest of the passengers are kept out. It obviously isn't fair.

 

And then we should probably do away with the specialty restaurants for dinner. After all, they are reserved for the small group of passengers who pay extra for them. Anyone who doesn't pay for a specialty restaurant dinner and eats in the MDR instead is obviously being treated as second class.

 

If you don't think Club Class is worth the difference in price, then don't buy it. But please don't try to keep me from purchasing it.

 

 

Well said.....:):):)

 

Bob

[floridalover5623]

If there are empty tables in the CC section and a number of passengers waiting with beepers to get a table in that dining room, then it is obvious some are not being seated just because of CC waiting for passengers who may or may not come to dinner there.

 

The people who can't see that fact have got to be traditional diners who have never waited at the AT dining door for seating.

Just wait till this CC dining kicks in full time on all the ships & see how they complain.

[nukesubsailor]

Do you check "same day", and give it to the room steward by 9:00am? We are not elite and used this suite benefit the last two times we sailed in a suite and the laundry was back in our room after we returned from dinner.

 

We leave the laundry bag and ticket on the bed when we go for dinner so the cabin steward can pick it up when he does the evening turn down. We have not so far felt the need to have the laundry back in one day so we don't check that box. My wife fills out the form so I was not aware the ticket had a "same day" box. We also take longer cruises which seem to have more Captain's Circle Elite members on board and the resulting increased amount of laundry services requested.

[nukesubsailor]

Um, wrong. Socialism is about control of the means of production, and it would apply if, for instance, the workers had control of Princess Cruise Lines and had an equal share in its profits, or if the community as a whole owned the line and regulated it.

 

We live in an oligarchy where a tiny minority own most of the wealth of this country and wield a whole lot of political and cultural influence. "If I can afford to pay, others will have to bring up the rear" is oligarchy at its best.

 

Please, if you're going to make political points, try to be accurate.

 

Um, wrong. Socialism is about distribution of wealth. For example: There are in history many examples of communities that required members to put all their production, (such as crops or manufactured items), into the community pot. The pot was then divided evenly among the members of the community.

All those communities failed because many members soon learned that they would get the same share of the benefits even if they did less than an equal amount of work. The members that worked harder and or smarter soon learned that their extra efforts brought no extra benefits. Socialism is a system that sounds great to idealists but invariably fails in reality.

[Cruise Junky]

The people who can't see that fact have got to be traditional diners who have never waited at the AT dining door for seating.

Just wait till this CC dining kicks in full time on all the ships & see how they complain.

 

Or there are people not thinking the sky is falling until there is more feedback or experiencing things for themselves. Life is a lot less stressful that way rather than getting upset at every possible "what if"

[cruisinnorth]

Hi All,

 

Would it be safe to say that all Category MA Mini-Suites are or will be Club Class Minis? I'm just trying to determine how many Club Class minis are on a given ship.

 

Thanks

Dave

[caribill]

On Cruise ships people who get benefits that others do not get do so solely because they spend more with Princess. That extra revenue keeps fares down which benefits those who cannot or will not pay the extra for the benefits.

 

What is (was?) nice about Princess is that once onboard any passenger had an equal opportunity to use any facility (some with extra cost they could pay for onboard) without regards to what price they paid for a cabin.

 

What is annoying about some other cruise lines such as Cunard and Celebrity is that once on board if you did not pay enough for your cabin, then a number of venues were off limits to you.

 

What's next? If you do not book a balcony or above you cannot use the gym?

Edited January 19, 2017 by caribill

[Cruise Junky]

What is (was?) nice about Princess is that once onboard any passenger had an equal opportunity to use any facility (some with extra cost they could pay for onboard) without regards to what price they paid for a cabin.

 

What is annoying about some other cruise lines such as Cunard and Celebrity is that once on board if you did not pay enough for your cabin, then a number of venues were off limits to you.

 

What's next? If you do not book a balcony or above you cannot use the gym?

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You call it unfortunate on Celebrity but you haven't sailed on Celebrity yet so you don't know if it will have any affect. Give it a shot before calling it unfortunate

[Bruinboy]

Will not participate in "petition." I like the idea and if I want to send more to enjoy some added benefits, that sounds good to me. If I don't want to spend the money, or cannot afford it, I won't spend. Wish I could justify suite, with the added perks, but cannot. I do not begrudge those who can and do book a suite. I have been perfectly happy in the service throughout the ship and trust, yes trust, that Princess will keep up the good service. If they don't I'll move on to another line.

 

 

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[Colorado Coasty]

Who cares?

 

Businesses have historically changed their products or business plans and they will always continue to do so.

 

When changes occur you can do one of three things:

Accept the change, move on, or whine about it.

 

As a very wise man, Dilbert, recently said "Not fair" is an argument for children and idiots.

[Woobstr112G]

Will not participate in "petition." I like the idea and if I want to send more to enjoy some added benefits, that sounds good to me. If I don't want to spend the money, or cannot afford it, I won't spend. Wish I could justify suite, with the added perks, but cannot. I do not begrudge those who can and do book a suite. I have been perfectly happy in the service throughout the ship and trust, yes trust, that Princess will keep up the good service. If they don't I'll move on to another line.

 

 

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Yup......:):):)

 

Bob

[4cats4me]

Who cares?

 

 

 

Businesses have historically changed their products or business plans and they will always continue to do so.

 

 

 

When changes occur you can do one of three things:

 

Accept the change, move on, or whine about it.

 

 

 

As a very wise man, Dilbert, recently said "Not fair" is an argument for children and idiots.

 

 

 

Agree with you. it is probably much ado about nothing [emoji78]

 

 

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[shepp]

Um, wrong. Socialism is about distribution of wealth. For example: There are in history many examples of communities that required members to put all their production, (such as crops or manufactured items), into the community pot. The pot was then divided evenly among the members of the community....Socialism is a system that sounds great to idealists but invariably fails in reality.

 

OK, I hate to do the "quote from the dictionary" dealie, but

 

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

 

However, like Humpty Dumpty, you may make words mean whatever you wish them to; you have my blessing.

 

Oh, and speaking of economics and how capitalism works in reality, I just saw that the eight richest men in the world own as much as the poorest half of all mankind. Ayn Rand acolytes would kvell that the free market is working, while at least 50% of the planet might disagree.

Edited January 20, 2017 by shepp