Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #51 Share Posted January 21, 2017 it isn't like he was hanging with a group of kids. Would you want him hanging around your 15 year old daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #52 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Ha, ha!! That's one heck of a souvenir, son! Did you see the hickeys on her neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #53 Share Posted January 21, 2017 the is not a valid argument. the article also didn't say he wasn't riding a unicycle so I should assume he was?Makes no sense at all. Why it would state something he wasn't doing? Nor is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pe4all Posted January 21, 2017 #54 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Hopefully some sort of protection was used, or she may end up having 4 kids at the age of 23, instead of the 5,4,3 year olds she already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare electro Posted January 21, 2017 #55 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Nor is yours. How so? My argument was based on the facts as they were presented in the article with no assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #56 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Did you see the hickeys on her neck? I did notice them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted January 21, 2017 #57 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Would you want him hanging around your 15 year old daughter?[/quote Why must you ALWAYS try to twist things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #58 Share Posted January 21, 2017 How so?My argument was based on the facts as they were presented in the article with no assumptions. No, you are simply making an assumption he wasn't drinking. Just because it was not mentioned in the article does not make it fact. The article did not state that the boy used a condom, therefore, using your logic, the boy did not use a condom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #59 Share Posted January 21, 2017 How so?My argument was based on the facts as they were presented in the article with no assumptions. Lido_deck you are making the assumption that the boy was drinking because it was stated he was in bar...no where did it say that he was actually drinking! So IMO electro is basing his/her argument on what was in the article and you are making an assumption in your argument. Facts are facts, as they are presented, period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #60 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Would you want him hanging around your 15 year old daughter?[/quote Why must you ALWAYS try to twist things? I wasn't twisting anything. It was just a mental image that came to my mind when you said that. Think about it. Would you want a guy that is nailing older women hanging on your 14 or 15 year old daughter? . Edited January 21, 2017 by Lido_Deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #61 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Lido_deck you are making the assumption that the boy was drinking because it was stated he was in bar...no where did it say that he was actually drinking! So IMO electro is basing his/her argument on what was in the article and you are making an assumption in your argument. Facts are facts, as they are presented, period! Implications and even statements were made that he was drinking. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare electro Posted January 21, 2017 #62 Share Posted January 21, 2017 No, you are simply making an assumption he wasn't drinking. Just because it was not mentioned in the article does not make it fact. The article did not state that the boy used a condom, therefore, using your logic, the boy did not use a condom. No, I am not making assumptions. I did not say the boy was not drinking, I said that the article did not say he was drinking and I have no reason to assume otherwise. I am basing its on what was presented, not on what was not presented. I have no idea if he used a condom and will not make an assumption on that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #63 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Implications and even statements were made that he was drinking. Period. Where??? I read nothing about any alcohol being consumed by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted January 21, 2017 #64 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I wasn't twisting anything. It was just a mental image that came to my mind when you said that. Think about it. Would you want a guy that is nailing older women hanging on your 14 or 15 year old daughter? . The situation was he was hanging in an adult environment, his mother should have been watching him because of that. If it was a mental image you had , nothing more needs to be said. Really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jints07 Posted January 21, 2017 #65 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Nissach, don't be silly and let facts get in the way, you're just supposed to imply it and get your pitchfork ready. Edited January 21, 2017 by jints07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #66 Share Posted January 21, 2017 No, I am not making assumptions. I did not say the boy was not drinking, I said that the article did not say he was drinking and I have no reason to assume otherwise. I am basing its on what was presented, not on what was not presented. I have no idea if he used a condom and will not make an assumption on that either. In the article I posted (see post #12) it was in fact presented the teen was drinking. You can doubt the word of the woman's mother if you want, but it has been presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #67 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Nissach, don't be silly and let facts get in the way, you're just supposed to imply it and get your pitchfork ready. I guess your right!;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #68 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Where??? I read nothing about any alcohol being consumed by anyone. See Post #12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #69 Share Posted January 21, 2017 See Post #12. Read it....he was 'allegedly' drinking....so no real proof...a statement from the accused's mother. Until it is actually confirmed it is an assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted January 21, 2017 #70 Share Posted January 21, 2017 You missed the whole point. My point was THERE IS BLAME on mother, son, and the woman. If a stupid act precedes an illegal one, the stupid act isn't justification for the illegal one. Was mother stupid? Probably Was son stupid? Probably Is any of that relevant to the case against the 23 year-old? No. For example, it was stupid for that armored car driver to leave that bucket of gold flake unattended. Does the stupidity of the armored car driver and crew help the man that was arrested for stealing the gold? No. Would the crime have taken place if the driver and crew weren't so stupid? No...but that is irrelevant to the case against the man who was arrested. The crime supersedes the stupid act(s) of the mother and son. This is a legal issue. The moral issues "Mom shouldn't have had her son in the casino...the boy shouldn't have lied...the woman shouldn't have had sex in the bathroom (a separate crime in the Bahamas, btw)...the mother of 3 should be more responsible by now..." are separate. Too many people are combining the acts as "blame" for the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido_Deck Posted January 21, 2017 #71 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Read it....he was 'allegedly' drinking....so no real proof...a statement from the accused's mother. Until it is actually confirmed it is an assumption. O-kay...The woman "allegedly" had sex with him...so no real proof...an accusation from the boy's mother. Until it is actually confirmed it is an assumption. . Edited January 21, 2017 by Lido_Deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare electro Posted January 21, 2017 #72 Share Posted January 21, 2017 O-kay...The woman "allegedly" had sex with him...so no real proof...an accusation from the boy's mother. Until it is actually confirmed it is an assumption.. Yes it is. But the fact that she is being charge with having sex with a minor is not an assumption, it is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted January 21, 2017 #73 Share Posted January 21, 2017 If a stupid act precedes an illegal one, the stupid act isn't justification for the illegal one. Was mother stupid? Probably Was son stupid? Probably Is any of that relevant to the case against the 23 year-old? No. For example, it was stupid for that armored car driver to leave that bucket of gold flake unattended. Does the stupidity of the armored car driver and crew help the man that was arrested for stealing the gold? No. Would the crime have taken place if the driver and crew weren't so stupid? No...but that is irrelevant to the case against the man who was arrested. The crime supersedes the stupid act(s) of the mother and son. This is a legal issue. The moral issues "Mom shouldn't have had her son in the casino...the boy shouldn't have lied...the woman shouldn't have had sex in the bathroom (a separate crime in the Bahamas, btw)...the mother of 3 should be more responsible by now..." are separate. Too many people are combining the acts as "blame" for the situation. The guy who stole the gold knew he was commuting a crime, the 23 year old woman did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissach Posted January 21, 2017 #74 Share Posted January 21, 2017 O-kay...The woman "allegedly" had sex with him...so no real proof...an accusation from the boy's mother. Until it is actually confirmed it is an assumption.. Not quite...neither is denying they had sex. Her own mother says they went into the bathroom and 'did what they wanted to'. But I am done arguing with you...have a nice rest of your day ....I have a Jets game to watch! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted January 21, 2017 #75 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The guy who stole the gold knew he was commuting a crime, the 23 year old woman did not. In statutory rape cases, ignorance is not a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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