Felons on a cruise

[coevan]

Not sure about the Caribbean, but any cruise with a Canadian port is probably out. Canada is very strict on who is allowed to enter, and any one with a criminal history is inadmissible. You would probably be best researching the entry requirements of the specific countries you want to visit.

 

 

no one in the Caribbean would know his name nor ask for ID, he'll be fine. You can not get even into Canada with a previous DUI

[dabear99211]

I do believe that a Canadian with a "record" also has problems entering the United States. I think every country protects its borders.

 

That is not correct, in fact a US citizen with a DUI can not inter into Canada, because they consider a DUI a felony, I was on a bus golfing trip one time and they collected everyone's passports, came back and would not allow one of the people to enter into Canada, he had to get off the bus and have someone come get him, we asked about a Canadian citizen entering the US that had a Canadian DUI, and they said that was no problem for them because the US does not consider a DUI a felony. Go figure.

[DebJ14]

That is not correct, in fact a US citizen with a DUI can not inter into Canada, because they consider a DUI a felony, I was on a bus golfing trip one time and they collected everyone's passports, came back and would not allow one of the people to enter into Canada, he had to get off the bus and have someone come get him, we asked about a Canadian citizen entering the US that had a Canadian DUI, and they said that was no problem for them because the US does not consider a DUI a felony. Go figure.

 

In Canada DUI laws are federal laws and a DUI is a felony in all of Canada. It is the federal government there that decides the legal limit, makes it illegal to refuse a breathalyzer etc. In Canada the provinces handle the license suspensions, ignition interlocks, and vehicle impounds.

 

In the US each state has its own DUI laws and in most cases the first offense will be treated as a misdemeanor. Sometimes, the second offense too. But, when you get to your 3rd DUI it is a supposed to be a felony. I say supposed to be, but we all know with plea bargaining that they get knocked down to misdemeanors all the time. That is how my next door neighbor, who had 3 DUI's, avoided any jail time.

[DCLCrazy]

In florida at least, felons have to register with their county and/or have a probation officer come check on them twice a year up to every quarter year. I would advise you ask them what the rules and terms are for their specific situation.

 

 

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[SOMEBEECH]

I would rather see worse be done to RSO. So if being kicked off a ship or denied entry into another country is currently the worst then so be it.

[dabear99211]

In Canada DUI laws are federal laws and a DUI is a felony in all of Canada. It is the federal government there that decides the legal limit, makes it illegal to refuse a breathalyzer etc. In Canada the provinces handle the license suspensions, ignition interlocks, and vehicle impounds.

 

In the US each state has its own DUI laws and in most cases the first offense will be treated as a misdemeanor. Sometimes, the second offense too. But, when you get to your 3rd DUI it is a supposed to be a felony. I say supposed to be, but we all know with plea bargaining that they get knocked down to misdemeanors all the time. That is how my next door neighbor, who had 3 DUI's, avoided any jail time.

 

What you say is true, BUT any US citizen who has any DUI convection is a felon in Canada and can not enter.

[cwilso37]

 

I was going to just call Carnival and ask but unfortunately, I am not sure I trust a customer service representative with such an important question that if answered incorrectly

 

 

Ummm.... instead of contacting the actual company you decided random people on the internet are more reliable?

[cajunfla]

Is anyone aware as to whether someone with a felony record is allow to go on a cruise? Would the cruise line deny someone? My partner committed a crime years ago, before sobriety entered his life, He is not on probation but a felony charge would show up on a background check.

 

I was going to just call Carnival and ask but unfortunately, I am not sure I trust a customer service representative with such an important question that if answered incorrectly, could cause us to be declined entry on to the ship.

 

Thank you to anyone who has some insight, it is greatly appreciated.

 

WOW!! You can't trust a customer service professional, but you trust the word of unknown keyboard warriors? Amazing.

[Priya2]

I think several countries only deny entry to persons who have committed certain types of crimes (sex offenders, drug traffickers etc). As others have said, each country has it’s own position on entry requirements. The problem then is no necessarily being permitted onto the cruise, but if your partner could enter the countries visited.

[GB Chicago]

At the risk of going down another path I would add something about unexpected changes to itineraries and possible impact. I watched several people learn this the hard way on the Vista cruise following Hurricane Irma. Midway through the 6 day cruise it became clear that we would be out at sea at least 7 days and possibly longer. By the third port, Cozumel, we all knew we would be gone at least 8-10 days. Carnival gave guests the option of getting off in Cozumel and flying directly home early. Many of these folks were Florida residents who left before the full impact of Irma was known, hence houses not boarded up, pet and childcare sitters evacuating their homes, etc. But, you could not get off the ship if you did not have a passport as the Mexican authorities and US Border Control would not allow. These folks were bitter! I would think in terms of the original post that if some type of change in plans happen on an Alaskan, Hawaiian or even New York cruise that landed someone with even a misdemeanor in Canada they most likely would have issues.

[king97tut]

"Alright Know It All's" here is the direct number to Carnival Security Services-First its called "Do Not Sail" List. Within 72 hours of booking your trip with Carnival they do a background check on everyone on the booking number, yes minors too. IF they flag you in any form or fashion they will send you an email telling you to call 800-438-6744 when prompted enter the ext 78830 that will get you to their security team. If your lucky you get Miss Attitude Shelly, she will be very frank with you and & to the point. Your a RSO.... or Felon....whatever they pull on you "through third party agency" your not going anywhere with them. They will also forward to Homeland or Homeland will forward to them.

Ask her why they just don't put on the booking contract RSO/Felons not allowed? Silence, she would not answer the question.

So I asked my attorney, he says their silent on it because in some states it is illegal for them to do a background check without your consent. Also they will not mention on the booking since it might perceive them as trying to be proactive by screening passengers before boarding. Creating a false sense of security to the passenger. But in fact there is not one documented case of any RSO ever committing a new crime on a ship. They know the greater danger is the one sex offender that has not been caught nor has a record. Then they would be liable because some lawyer chomping on the bit would sue them. You think Harvey Weinstein & Bill Crosby and all the rest of them not tried and convicted are on the "No Sail List" I think not...

[SOMEBEECH]

"Alright Know It All's" here is the direct number to Carnival Security Services-First its called "Do Not Sail" List. Within 72 hours of booking your trip with Carnival they do a background check on everyone on the booking number, yes minors too. IF they flag you in any form or fashion they will send you an email telling you to call 800-438-6744 when prompted enter the ext 78830 that will get you to their security team. If your lucky you get Miss Attitude Shelly, she will be very frank with you and & to the point. Your a RSO.... or Felon....whatever they pull on you "through third party agency" your not going anywhere with them. They will also forward to Homeland or Homeland will forward to them.

Ask her why they just don't put on the booking contract RSO/Felons not allowed? Silence, she would not answer the question.

So I asked my attorney, he says their silent on it because in some states it is illegal for them to do a background check without your consent. Also they will not mention on the booking since it might perceive them as trying to be proactive by screening passengers before boarding. Creating a false sense of security to the passenger. But in fact there is not one documented case of any RSO ever committing a new crime on a ship. They know the greater danger is the one sex offender that has not been caught nor has a record. Then they would be liable because some lawyer chomping on the bit would sue them. You think Harvey Weinstein & Bill Crosby and all the rest of them not tried and convicted are on the "No Sail List" I think not...

 

In order to be a RSO you must be convicted and that is why they are not on the list. But as I have said before I don't care if they stop an RSO from getting on a ship. I would even be fine if RSO were put on a boat full of hole in the middle of the Atlantic. I am pretty sure there have been instances of RSO committing new crimes but because of the ship being under a foreign flag they have different reporting rules. Maybe the crime shouldn't have been committed and this person could enjoy traveling where they choose.

[Elaine5715]

"Alright Know It All's" here is the direct number to Carnival Security Services-First its called "Do Not Sail" List. Within 72 hours of booking your trip with Carnival they do a background check on everyone on the booking number, yes minors too. IF they flag you in any form or fashion they will send you an email telling you to call 800-438-6744 when prompted enter the ext 78830 that will get you to their security team. If your lucky you get Miss Attitude Shelly, she will be very frank with you and & to the point. Your a RSO.... or Felon....whatever they pull on you "through third party agency" your not going anywhere with them. They will also forward to Homeland or Homeland will forward to them.

Ask her why they just don't put on the booking contract RSO/Felons not allowed? Silence, she would not answer the question.

So I asked my attorney, he says their silent on it because in some states it is illegal for them to do a background check without your consent. Also they will not mention on the booking since it might perceive them as trying to be proactive by screening passengers before boarding. Creating a false sense of security to the passenger. But in fact there is not one documented case of any RSO ever committing a new crime on a ship. They know the greater danger is the one sex offender that has not been caught nor has a record. Then they would be liable because some lawyer chomping on the bit would sue them. You think Harvey Weinstein & Bill Crosby and all the rest of them not tried and convicted are on the "No Sail List" I think not...

"Not one case of documented evidence" is not the same as not committing another crime.

[mpdog42]

No, there are no background checks by Carnival, and even a convicted and registered sex offender, unless prohibited by terms of probation could travel.

 

How often do you check the sex offender registry for your neighborhood and surrounding area? Do you watch your family members? Your minister? Your kid's coach? People talk about sex offenders as if they are some abstract class of individuals, but far more likely than not, they are going to fall into one of the above categories. Most child sex offenders use the same victim over and over and over. Most child sex offenders "groom" their targets - they know the child either through a family relationship, or some other relation of trust such as camp counselor, religious official etc- and the control them so they don't tattle.

 

Yes, it would be "possible" for someone to grab one of these kids. But then what - you can't abduct them beyond the ship? A cruise ship offers very little opportunity for escape without being identified. Nor does it offer an opportunity to groom a child with threats ("mommy will divorce daddy if you tell her what we do").

 

I have 20 + years in the criminal justice field and IMHO with regard to sex offenders you should be far more concerned about what goes on in your home, neighborhood, church and soccer league than in some random individual with your kids 20-30' away in a pool.

 

 

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Edited January 6, 2018 by mpdog42
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[PattBenatar]

You only need a birth certificate to cruise on a closed loop cruise. A birth certificate does not have a social security number on it. (Neither does a drivers license or a lot of other forms of ID.)

 

A criminal record is tied to your social security number, NOT your name. (How many John Smith's are there?)

 

How would anyone ever know if someone had a criminal record? You never gave Carnival any information that would even enable them to do a background check, even if they wanted to.

 

This coming from a person who entered, confirmed and canceled warrants for over 18 years a SS# has zero thing to do with a criminal history/wants/warrants. It is all about name and dob and a OID if a person has a history. A SS# maybe listed but it can not be used to identify a person who is wanted or to run a accurate history.

 

Yes you did give them all information to get any history on you. Not sure who told you about the wrong information.

[broberts]

The RCMP have access to NCIC and physically pull criminal histories of Americans entering the country. The refuse entry if there is any history of what would be an indictable offense in Canada, not just DUI.

 

Other countries also have similar access and may to their own investigation as to who they allow into their country.

 

It is possible for visitors to Canada to overcome criminal convictions. Generally this has to be done ahead of time, but CBSA agents do have the discretion grant entry at the border. See https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/inadmissibility/overcome-criminal-convictions.html

 

Hmmm...interesting...my brother is an ex felon and we've been on dozens of cruises with no issues.

 

He also goes into Canada a lot for religious reasons and I've never heard him say he had an issues getting in or going back to the US.

 

"Ex felon" suggests a pardon. Foreign pardons may be valid to Canadian officials.

[darktone]

Don't be silly! Nobody cares or checks your past criminal history to go a Caribbean cruise! I have been on 7 cruises and nobody has checked me at any time ever getting on or off the ship. The only time you have to show your ID other than your ship card is when you first get on the ship and when you return and go through customs and if you don't have any serious outstanding warrants no one gives a damn. They are not going to stop you from getting on a cruise for outstanding traffic tickets! Enjoy!

[beerman2]

Don't be silly! Nobody cares or checks your past criminal history to go a Caribbean cruise! I have been on 7 cruises and nobody has checked me at any time ever getting on or off the ship. The only time you have to show your ID other than your ship card is when you first get on the ship and when you return and go through customs and if you don't have any serious outstanding warrants no one gives a damn. They are not going to stop you from getting on a cruise for outstanding traffic tickets! Enjoy!

"Nobody cares or checks your past criminal history to go on a Caribbean Cruise!" Then why do the cruiselines have to turn over a pax manifest to custom/homeland security 1 hour before ship sails.

 

It's true they may let you cruise , but there certainly are situation/certain offenses where you may be taken into custody when returning.

 

We aren't talking about outstanding traffic tickets "Don't be silly!" In this instance is true.

[darktone]

I was convicted of major crimes in the 1980's spent the rest of the century in prison. Never once has anyone given me a second look. Just saying....

[AmBear]

Is anyone aware as to whether someone with a felony record is allow to go on a cruise? Would the cruise line deny someone? My partner committed a crime years ago, before sobriety entered his life, He is not on probation but a felony charge would show up on a background check.

 

I was going to just call Carnival and ask but unfortunately, I am not sure I trust a customer service representative with such an important question that if answered incorrectly, could cause us to be declined entry on to the ship.

 

Thank you to anyone who has some insight, it is greatly appreciated.

Done the time, no worries, enjoy the cruise!:D

[king97tut]

***Update*** now AIRBNB has joined the BAN FELON cause. They do background checks on all now. So if you plan and renting a place before or after your cruise in the United States you will have your reservation canceled 24 hours before your trip like the did to me last week. Even if you have been with AIRBNB since the beginning.

 

What are the crimes for which you remove users from the platform?

 

Users with serious criminal histories may be removed or referred for further review if our checks show convictions within a certain time period.

Less serious convictions will never result in removal (such as disorderly conduct or marijuana possession).

Some other crimes may result in removal for a period of 14 years (such as felony burglary or felony larceny) or seven years (such as fraud or property damage) from the date of conviction.

Severe crimes may result in removal for a longer period of time or even permanently (such as murder, terrorism, rape or child molestation).

 

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/1308/does-airbnb-perform-background-checks-on-members

[jmcathome]

If they let you on the ship who is going to check your record. The only country that i have had to go thru a visa process going into the country is Cuba. Every other country you walk off the boea and get back on with your drivers license and room key. So if you get on the boat you will not be checked in ports unless you jump up and down and yell you are a felon

[xDisconnections]

If they let you on the ship who is going to check your record. The only country that i have had to go thru a visa process going into the country is Cuba. Every other country you walk off the boea and get back on with your drivers license and room key. So if you get on the boat you will not be checked in ports unless you jump up and down and yell you are a felon

 

Some other places visited by Carnival besides Cuba that require a Visa process include St. Petersburg and various countries in Southeast Asia.

[Elaine5715]

If they let you on the ship who is going to check your record. The only country that i have had to go thru a visa process going into the country is Cuba. Every other country you walk off the boea and get back on with your drivers license and room key. So if you get on the boat you will not be checked in ports unless you jump up and down and yell you are a felon

Homeland Security runs the passenger manifest every cruise.

[broberts]

If they let you on the ship who is going to check your record. The only country that i have had to go thru a visa process going into the country is Cuba. Every other country you walk off the boea and get back on with your drivers license and room key. So if you get on the boat you will not be checked in ports unless you jump up and down and yell you are a felon

 

Canada typically runs checks on US cruise visitors even though they do not usually need a pre-approved visa.