MADflyer Posted September 28, 2017 #1 Share Posted September 28, 2017 https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/17864-royal-caribbean-delivers-500-generators-to-puerto-rico.html AOS has delivered 500 generators to Puerto Rico and will evacuate 3000 from Puerto Rico, including families of RCI employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 28, 2017 #2 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nice! Hopefully the generators can get distributed quickly. I've read that it's been tough getting things from the docks to the people that need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted September 28, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I was happy to see RCL found a way to do this. The fact the Jones Act has not been waived for PR is causing serious issues. They have trouble getting trucks and drivers to the ports as I have understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 28, 2017 #4 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I was happy to see RCL found a way to do this. The fact the Jones Act has not been waived for PR is causing serious issues. They have trouble getting trucks and drivers to the ports as I have understood. From what I understand, there is no problem getting cargo to the docks. The problem has been distributing the cargo from the docks to those who need it, which the Jones Act does not affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryjaden Posted September 28, 2017 #5 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I have also heard that truck drivers are in very short supply. There is also the concern about gasoline which is needed for the generators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted September 28, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted September 28, 2017 From what I understand, there is no problem getting cargo to the docks. The problem has been distributing the cargo from the docks to those who need it, which the Jones Act does not affect. It is true that the effort has not been well coordinated to get the aid to the citizens. This Time article was fairly clear on how it will effect the recovery in Puerto Rico. http://time.com/4959035/puerto-rico-jones-merchant-marine-act-1920/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted September 28, 2017 #7 Share Posted September 28, 2017 From what I understand, there is no problem getting cargo to the docks. The problem has been distributing the cargo from the docks to those who need it, which the Jones Act does not affect. in the very near and immediate term, you are right, the port is the bottleneck. But over the longer rebuilding process it is detrimental, longer lead times, less competition, higher prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.Oceanlover Posted September 28, 2017 #8 Share Posted September 28, 2017 https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/17864-royal-caribbean-delivers-500-generators-to-puerto-rico.html AOS has delivered 500 generators to Puerto Rico and will evacuate 3000 from Puerto Rico, including families of RCI employees. Awesome news. Will be a big help to the people of the island. Bill Sent from my SM-T350 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pspercy Posted September 28, 2017 #9 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Good thread on the subject: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2548274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted September 28, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted September 28, 2017 An even better article on why the Jones Act needs to be waived for the one year minimum recovery period for Puerto Rico. http://www.businessinsider.com/jones-act-puerto-rico-trump-hurricane-maria-marine-merchant-2017-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 28, 2017 #11 Share Posted September 28, 2017 An even better article on why the Jones Act needs to be waived for the one year minimum recovery period for Puerto Rico. http://www.businessinsider.com/jones-act-puerto-rico-trump-hurricane-maria-marine-merchant-2017-9 Thank-you.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 28, 2017 #12 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Just read that Jones Act has been waived for Puerto Rico. Edited September 28, 2017 by Host Clarea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmf11699 Posted September 28, 2017 #13 Share Posted September 28, 2017 following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjgep0316 Posted September 28, 2017 #14 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Just read that Jones Act has been waived for Puerto Rico. Glad to hear. I hope this helps. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited September 28, 2017 by Host Clarea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted September 28, 2017 Author #15 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Just read that Jones Act has been waived for Puerto Rico. I was happy to hear that and hope that it helps the situation during the recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbjen Posted September 28, 2017 #16 Share Posted September 28, 2017 You don't realize how vital gasoline is until you are in a situation like this. I'm sure they are working on ways to get more gasoline on to the island, hopefully they have a way to pump it without power once it gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schplinky Posted September 28, 2017 #17 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Just read that Jones Act has been waived for Puerto Rico. It has been waived for only ten days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted September 28, 2017 #18 Share Posted September 28, 2017 It is true that the effort has not been well coordinated to get the aid to the citizens. This Time article was fairly clear on how it will effect the recovery in Puerto Rico. http://time.com/4959035/puerto-rico-jones-merchant-marine-act-1920/ in the very near and immediate term, you are right, the port is the bottleneck. But over the longer rebuilding process it is detrimental, longer lead times, less competition, higher prices Here's the other side of the argument: http://gcaptain.com/american-maritime-industry-fights-back-false-claims-regarding-jones-act-relief-efforts-puerto-rico/ And, as noted in the above article, even the GAO has failed to find that the Jones Act has directly impacted the economy of PR. Note that the shippers who supplied "anecdotal" evidence of higher shipping costs could not provide documentation to prove this claim. And as I stated in the thread linked in post by pspercy, if anyone really believes that "US consumer goods" are manufactured in the US, and therefore have to be shipped to PR from the US, you sadly don't understand the world economy. Anything brought in from overseas to PR can be brought in on a foreign flag ship, without any restrictions by the Jones Act, and even in the gCaptain article and its related GAO report, the unsupported claims by the shippers is that even for shipping longer distances, from Asia, is cheaper than shipping from the US, then why don't they do this, since that's where the stuff is made. 50% of all ships calling in PR are foreign flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted September 28, 2017 #19 Share Posted September 28, 2017 You don't realize how vital gasoline is until you are in a situation like this. I'm sure they are working on ways to get more gasoline on to the island, hopefully they have a way to pump it without power once it gets there. There are Jones Act tankers just waiting to load gasoline and diesel to take to PR, sitting idle in the US Gulf. Once on shore, they need fuel trucks to pump to cars, or generators to power the gas stations. And, the cost of gasoline in Venezuela is $0.60/gallon (that's right, 60 cents per gallon), and they are wallowing in debt and would love to sell more gas. This can be brought to PR in foreign flag tankers, and the shipping distance to PR is 1/3 of that from Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggyofwv Posted September 28, 2017 #20 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I was happy to see RCL found a way to do this. The fact the Jones Act has not been waived for PR is causing serious issues. They have trouble getting trucks and drivers to the ports as I have understood. You would be incorrect. The Jones act was temporarily waived (quite needlessly, but It became political)There are tons of cargo just sitting at the ports waiting for trucks to pick them up. The bottleneck is with the lack of truck drivers reporting to work in Puerto Rico. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr25 Posted September 28, 2017 #21 Share Posted September 28, 2017 From my understanding, RCI had already been violating the Jones Act earlier this week by having one or two of their ships deliver supplies from Florida to Puerto Rico on their Bahamas flagged ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted September 28, 2017 #22 Share Posted September 28, 2017 From my understanding, RCI had already been violating the Jones Act earlier this week by having one or two of their ships deliver supplies from Florida to Puerto Rico on their Bahamas flagged ships. As these supplies are donated, and not carried "for trade" (carried for a fee), they do not violate the Jones Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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