MustangGT Posted July 13, 2019 #1 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I know I have read about the PVSA but I'm having a Senior Fog Moment! 🙄 Two cruises on the Ruby in May, 2020 Cruise 1 leaves LA and arrives in Vancouver Cruise 2 leaves Vancouver and ends in Seattle I'm thinking we cannot do these 2 cruises back to back. I know there are many PVSA well-versed CC members who can answer this. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted July 13, 2019 #2 Share Posted July 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, MustangGT said: I know I have read about the PVSA but I'm having a Senior Fog Moment! 🙄 Two cruises on the Ruby in May, 2020 Cruise 1 leaves LA and arrives in Vancouver Cruise 2 leaves Vancouver and ends in Seattle I'm thinking we cannot do these 2 cruises back to back. I know there are many PVSA well-versed CC members who can answer this. Thanks!! Same ship? Then No. Must change ships or be off the ship for 24 hours before reboarding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecindy21403 Posted July 13, 2019 #3 Share Posted July 13, 2019 You are correct it's against the rules. I tried a couple of years ago to do it and they let me book everything then about 6 months out I got a phone call...sorry but we can't let you do that. Had to change all my plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nukesubsailor Posted July 13, 2019 #4 Share Posted July 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, MustangGT said: I know I have read about the PVSA but I'm having a Senior Fog Moment! 🙄 Two cruises on the Ruby in May, 2020 Cruise 1 leaves LA and arrives in Vancouver Cruise 2 leaves Vancouver and ends in Seattle I'm thinking we cannot do these 2 cruises back to back. I know there are many PVSA well-versed CC members who can answer this. Thanks!! What makes that B2B itinerary against the law is that it doesn't end in the same US port where it began. I tried that once where I boarded the Coral Princess in LA for a cruise to Vancouver and wanted to stay aboard for an Alaskan cruise that ended in Whittier, Alaska. Instead I got off in Vancouver, spent the night and took an Alaska cruise the next day on the Star Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul929207 Posted July 13, 2019 #5 Share Posted July 13, 2019 As the others have said, that combination is not allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangGT Posted July 13, 2019 Author #6 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Thanks to everyone! Truth be told, my husband wouldn't believe me 🙂 I promise I'm not the "I told you so" type, there will be no celebrating another victory. Who keeps score after 48 years? Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverbeenhere Posted July 13, 2019 #7 Share Posted July 13, 2019 But the score is 9,043 to 16,576 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrak Posted July 14, 2019 #8 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, MustangGT said: Thanks to everyone! Truth be told, my husband wouldn't believe me Tell him to Google " Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886". That's the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted July 14, 2019 #9 Share Posted July 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Thrak said: Tell him to Google " Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886". That's the culprit. It was updated in 1887. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiplomatOne Posted July 14, 2019 #10 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Elaborate PVSA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrak Posted July 14, 2019 #11 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, DiplomatOne said: Elaborate PVSA ? Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiplomatOne Posted July 14, 2019 #12 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Thank you 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoohUnderstands Posted July 14, 2019 #13 Share Posted July 14, 2019 This doesn't affect B2B cruises in Europe, does it? I must admit I thought I had learned all I could on these threads and just learned something new. I have booked 2- 7 day B2B's (Athens to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome - same ship).Would Princess let me book if not kosher? Or does this rule just in affect when US ports involved? Pooh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted July 14, 2019 #14 Share Posted July 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, PoohUnderstands said: This doesn't affect B2B cruises in Europe, does it? I must admit I thought I had learned all I could on these threads and just learned something new. I have booked 2- 7 day B2B's (Athens to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome - same ship).Would Princess let me book if not kosher? Or does this rule just in affect when US ports involved? Pooh No only governs trips between two USA ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted July 14, 2019 #15 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, GUT2407 said: No only governs trips between two USA ports. Though other parts of the world may have rules of a similar nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted July 14, 2019 #16 Share Posted July 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, PoohUnderstands said: This doesn't affect B2B cruises in Europe, does it? I must admit I thought I had learned all I could on these threads and just learned something new. I have booked 2- 7 day B2B's (Athens to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome - same ship).Would Princess let me book if not kosher? Or does this rule just in affect when US ports involved? Pooh No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofcool1947 Posted July 14, 2019 #17 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, PoohUnderstands said: This doesn't affect B2B cruises in Europe, does it? I must admit I thought I had learned all I could on these threads and just learned something new. I have booked 2- 7 day B2B's (Athens to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome - same ship).Would Princess let me book if not kosher? Or does this rule just in affect when US ports involved? Pooh kosher? Edited July 14, 2019 by Kingofcool1947 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted July 14, 2019 #18 Share Posted July 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kingofcool1947 said: kosher? Genuine, real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R**T Posted July 14, 2019 #19 Share Posted July 14, 2019 In 2016 we did a B2B2B on the Island Princess from Fort Lauderdale to LA, from LA to Vancouver, and from Vancouver to Whittier. The trip was booked as three cruises with three booking numbers, but we stayed in the same cabin throughout. We went through immigration in LA and Vancouver. I clearly remember that the original booking was done by the Future Cruise Consultant during a previous cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 14, 2019 #20 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, R**T said: In 2016 we did a B2B2B on the Island Princess from Fort Lauderdale to LA, from LA to Vancouver, and from Vancouver to Whittier. The trip was booked as three cruises with three booking numbers, but we stayed in the same cabin throughout. We went through immigration in LA and Vancouver. I clearly remember that the original booking was done by the Future Cruise Consultant during a previous cruise. Yes, and the Ft. Lauderdale to LA segment visited Cartagena, Colombia, I'm sure. This is a "distant" foreign port, which is a requirement for a foreign flag ship to transport someone from one US port to another. Panama Canal transit cruises always call at Cartagena to ensure legality. "Distant" foreign ports are defined as any port not in North or Central America, the Caribbean, the Bahamas, or Bermuda, the only exception being the "ABC" islands of Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao, which are considered to be in South America. And it doesn't matter how the cruise is advertised, or sold, or how many booking numbers there are, CBP only looks at where the passenger embarked the ship, and where the passenger "permanently" disembarked the ship to determine where the cruise "started" and where it "ended". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul929207 Posted July 14, 2019 #21 Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 hours ago, PoohUnderstands said: This doesn't affect B2B cruises in Europe, does it? I must admit I thought I had learned all I could on these threads and just learned something new. I have booked 2- 7 day B2B's (Athens to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome - same ship).Would Princess let me book if not kosher? Or does this rule just in affect when US ports involved? Pooh PVSA only applies to cruises that start and end in a US port. The rules are stricter if the start and end ports are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseVA Posted July 14, 2019 #22 Share Posted July 14, 2019 It's an odd law - I once read an article by a lawyer who said it was incomprehensible - even to a lawyer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseVA Posted July 14, 2019 #23 Share Posted July 14, 2019 It's an odd law - I once read an article by a lawyer who said it was incomprehensible - even to a lawyer! https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/23/~/the-jones-act-%26-the-passenger-vessel-services-act 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 14, 2019 #24 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, CruiseVA said: It's an odd law - I once read an article by a lawyer who said it was incomprehensible - even to a lawyer! Not incomprehensible at all. Merely restricts "coastwise" and "inland" water transportation of people to US flag vessels, that have been built in the US, crewed by US citizens, and owned by a US "entity" (person or corporation). About 80 nations around the world have similar maritime cabotage laws: Canada, Russia, Brazil, Japan, China, and the EU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare roxievegas Posted July 14, 2019 #25 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I am thinking of doing a B2B2B in Oct 2020. First - Boston to Boston - goes to Canada stops 2nd - Boston to FLL - goes to ABC islands 3rd - FLL to San Diego - stops in Columbia is this okay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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