Port Botany cruise terminal

[MicCanberra]

Apparently the toxic sludge is losing by a nose.

[in rod we trust]

2 hours ago, NSWP said:

And 3 million do.  So I do declare the 'do's' the winners, by a long neck.

 

 

 

the only ones that want it are about 5 of you's and port authority  but this is a cruise forum so no surprise  there  ..  id expect that from here .. and considering I cruise as well maybe not as much or often as some of you garbage can junkies .. at least I try and protect our country rather than see it all destroyed for convenience ..  I hope one day the gov comes for something you like just so you can cop the same..   but don't worry if you think people who don't want a cruise terminal to destroy botany bay are a problem .. just wait to the climate activist get a hold of the pollution of these ships .. its just beginning the storm is brewing all over the world we see more people and countries starting to ban and protest about cruise ship's .. 

 

[in rod we trust]

17 hours ago, The_Big_M said:

 

So local fishermen are plundering our waters for Australian fish, then sending them overseas for their own greed just to make more dollars from those with the most money, and not selling to Australians.

 

Thanks for confirming Aussie fishermen are just greedy and taking away our resources from our country. All local fishing should be banned then.

 

As you say, got to take a stand sometime to protect the future for the kids , grandkids etc .. we cant just sell it of and keep destroying this beautiful country .. Since you were aware of this, what action have you taken about this?

 

local fisherman don't plunder they have strict limits and net sizes , they have built a sustainable fishing eco system  as they understand  the need for  it... the only ones that plunder are these pathetic trawler factories owned by china and other countries that sit of our coast line plundering .. but don't worry most of the fish you eat are from Asian fish farms from supermarkets .. don't forget to have a good think when your eating on the cruise ship , ask yourself , I wonder what 3 rd world country this food is from  lol  as they are no different to any supermarket its all about the bottom dollar,

[The_Big_M]

11 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

 

local fisherman don't plunder they have strict limits and net sizes , they have built a sustainable fishing eco system  as they understand  the need for  it... the only ones that plunder are these pathetic trawler factories owned by china and other countries that sit of our coast line plundering .. but don't worry most of the fish you eat are from Asian fish farms from supermarkets .. don't forget to have a good think when your eating on the cruise ship , ask yourself , I wonder what 3 rd world country this food is from  lol  as they are no different to any supermarket its all about the bottom dollar,

 

The same as your comment that all the local fish was sold to overseas markets, so "all about the bottom dollar" as well. And don't worry, the cruise lines all have a sustainable business model as there is no benefit in visiting over populated or damaged destinations.

 

Doesn't sound like much difference between local fishermen and cruise companies as far as their business practices and what motivates them. 

[in rod we trust]

17 hours ago, The_Big_M said:

 

Actually, I don't think it's been posted. 

 

While there have been a lot of scary videos about unrelated ships in unrelated countries many decades ago, and a post with some screen images of a Ports document, I don't believe there has been any RCL report. And I honestly doubt such a document would be made publicly available. Strategic documents aren't distributed publicly.

ok just for you two .. ill repost it  as you blokes just choose to make up what you like and don't look over the countless facts about botany bay I posted .. you blokes are just looking for any excuse or reason you can find and no facts about nothing. imstill waiting for the positives why a whole bay need to be destroyed , but there is none , your excuse or reason to have it go ahead is ''just for our convenience''  ..

another thing is do you read posts from your own forum  as this is from your own forum and not by me...  there is the official one as well I will get that as well just for you blokes..

so here you go have a good read of these both .. you will see royal carribean is the only ones really calling for it as it states only 4 of there 44 ships fit under the harbor bridge and that's why they want to destroy botany for there greed.. 

 

https://www.traveller.com.au/bound-for-botany-bay-as-the-harbour-overflows-with-cruise-passengers-2bgc3

 

and here is it from rcl own ceo , there also is a another one published after this  as well .. as I said I have posted many facts and you blokes ignore them for your own agenda.. maybe its probably you know its not right to destroy a whole bay for royal carribean , or maybe it helps you blokes sleep at night .. or trying to feel good about cruising altho you know deep down inside its really doing a lot of harm .. next time read your own forum here it is

 

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/news.cfm?ID=6542

Edited January 21, 2020 by in rod we trust

[in rod we trust]

1 minute ago, The_Big_M said:

 

The same as your comment that all the local fish was sold to overseas markets, so "all about the bottom dollar" as well. And don't worry, the cruise lines all have a sustainable business model as there is no benefit in visiting over populated or damaged destinations.

 

Doesn't sound like much difference between local fishermen and cruise companies as far as their business practices and what motivates them. 

no comparison what so ever , local care about there environment..

 

  royal carribean and cruise ships don't give a stuff they will destroy anything or do anything to get there profits .''greed drives them'' up  as seen in the botany bay proposal, cayman islands and many more places and reefs around the world .. so long as they can fill there pockets they don't give a rats about what they destroy to get it.. ....  no matter what your looking for you still have no facts for the positives to having it built there,  other than ''convenience'' as you mentioned .. im still waiting for your facts.. 

[The_Big_M]

11 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

ok just for you two .. ill repost it  as you blokes just choose to make up what you like and don't look over the countless facts about botany bay I posted .. you blokes are just looking for any excuse or reason you can find and no facts about nothing. imstill waiting for the positives why a whole bay need to be destroyed , but there is none , your excuse or reason to have it go ahead is ''just for our convenience''  ..

another thing is do you read posts from your own forum  as this is from your own forum and not by me...  there is the official one as well I will get that as well just for you blokes..

so here you go have a good read of these both .. you will see royal carribean is the only ones really calling for it as it states only 4 of there 44 ships fit under the harbor bridge and that's why they want to destroy botany for there greed.. 

 

https://www.traveller.com.au/bound-for-botany-bay-as-the-harbour-overflows-with-cruise-passengers-2bgc3

 

and here is it from rcl own ceo , there also is a another one published after this  as well .. as I said I have posted many facts and you blokes ignore them for your own agenda may its probably you know its not right to destroy a whole bay for royal carribean , or maybe it helps you blokes sleep at night .. or trying to feel good about cruising altho you know deep down inside its really doing a lot of harm .. next time read your own forum here it is

 

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/news.cfm?ID=6542

 

The comment that brought this on from you was "if you read royal carribeans report "

Neither of the above are reports from Royal Caribbean, so don't say it's us making things up - it's you. The first is a story in traveller, which is a Fairfax newspaper, and the second is an article on this site.

 

Your second instance in just that post of making things up is you claimed "they still plan on taking a cruise up to Sydney harbor  for those passengers that get on at botany bay so they can see the views and linger around for 4 odd hrs not docked "

 

NOWHERE in what you claim is their official report (which it isn't: https://www.traveller.com.au/bound-for-botany-bay-as-the-harbour-overflows-with-cruise-passengers-2bgc3) does it say anything like the above. It will be a replacement terminal for people to get on and off the ship from in Sydney, not spend another 4 hours doing a harbour cruise in Sydney.

[The_Big_M]

7 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

no comparison what so ever , local care about there environment..

 

  royal carribean and cruise ships don't give a stuff they will destroy anything or do anything to get there profits .''greed drives them'' up  as seen in the botany bay proposal, cayman islands and many more places and reefs around the world .. so long as they can fill there pockets they don't give a rats about what they destroy to get it.. ....  no matter what your looking for you still have no facts for the positives to having it built there,  other than ''convenience'' as you mentioned .. im still waiting for your facts.. 

 

I've given a lot more facts than your unrelated fears and attempted scare campaign. 

 

Just the very post above has two more facts... as against the two things you made up to try to pretend you actually have any basis to your claims.

[in rod we trust]

5 minutes ago, The_Big_M said:

 

The comment that brought this on from you was "if you read royal carribeans report "

Neither of the above are reports from Royal Caribbean, so don't say it's us making things up - it's you. The first is a story in traveller, which is a Fairfax newspaper, and the second is an article on this site.

 

Your second instance in just that post of making things up is you claimed "they still plan on taking a cruise up to Sydney harbor  for those passengers that get on at botany bay so they can see the views and linger around for 4 odd hrs not docked "

 

NOWHERE in what you claim is their official report (which it isn't: https://www.traveller.com.au/bound-for-botany-bay-as-the-harbour-overflows-with-cruise-passengers-2bgc3) does it say anything like the above. It will be a replacement terminal for people to get on and off the ship from in Sydney, not spend another 4 hours doing a harbour cruise in Sydney.

 

ok you choose to read it that way. even tho many will see who the horse is in the above links talking about moving there fleet and birth space .. but that's ok I knew you blokes would choose to ignore it as per normal.. you depart botany bay at 4 takes you 1/2 to get there sun doesn't go down to 8-830 pm in summer daylight savings .. what are they going to do circle around the heads for 3 hrs then come in for the last hr .. come on get real please 

Edited January 21, 2020 by in rod we trust

[in rod we trust]

6 minutes ago, The_Big_M said:

 

I've given a lot more facts than your unrelated fears and attempted scare campaign. 

 

Just the very post above has two more facts... as against the two things you made up to try to pretend you actually have any basis to your claims.

 

and your facts are please enlighten me with them .. 

[NSWP]

1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

 

 

the only ones that want it are about 5 of you's and port authority  but this is a cruise forum so no surprise  there  ..  id expect that from here .. and considering I cruise as well maybe not as much or often as some of you garbage can junkies .. at least I try and protect our country rather than see it all destroyed for convenience ..  I hope one day the gov comes for something you like just so you can cop the same..   but don't worry if you think people who don't want a cruise terminal to destroy botany bay are a problem .. just wait to the climate activist get a hold of the pollution of these ships .. its just beginning the storm is brewing all over the world we see more people and countries starting to ban and protest about cruise ship's .. 

 

'Garbage Can Junkies.? I resemble that remark, please explain.  As for Port Botany I actually lived near there at Matraville in the mid-late 1960's when Port Botany Container Terminal was being developed, the landscape is blighted already, so why not throw in a cruise terminal?   Now could this be Uncle Les escorting a wide load to Port Botany in ye olde days?

Edited January 21, 2020 by NSWP

[gbenjo]

5 hours ago, NSWP said:

And 3 million do.  So I do declare the 'do's' the winners, by a long neck.

 

You don't need a " long neck" to be a goose do you  uncle Les 🤣

[MicCanberra]

2 hours ago, in rod we trust said:

 we see more people and countries starting to ban and protest about cruise ship's .. 

 

Another statement with no backing, 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joemicallef/2018/09/01/the-cruise-industrys-boom-is-primed-to-continue/#14c28fa12d89

[in rod we trust]

7 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Another statement with no backing, 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joemicallef/2018/09/01/the-cruise-industrys-boom-is-primed-to-continue/#14c28fa12d89

 

so you want me to believe that from the cruise industry ..  yet you handful ,  you all choose not to believe the above links I posted from the cruise industry, royal carribean ceo ,  and this forum. ..  

 

reads like double standards to me...  

 

  few of you called for the facts I put them up in black and white and many more of them that can be checked .. and yet you's choose to ignore them ..   just goes to show how you think about your own country . who cares what we destroy so long as its ''convenient for me''  stuff what its going to destroy..  

Edited January 21, 2020 by in rod we trust

[The_Big_M]

2 hours ago, in rod we trust said:

 

ok you choose to read it that way. even tho many will see who the horse is in the above links talking about moving there fleet and birth space .. but that's ok I knew you blokes would choose to ignore it as per normal.. you depart botany bay at 4 takes you 1/2 to get there sun doesn't go down to 8-830 pm in summer daylight savings .. what are they going to do circle around the heads for 3 hrs then come in for the last hr .. come on get real please 

 

I read it the way it is written. You making stuff up about horses and imaginary 4 hour harbour cruises doesn't make it real.

[The_Big_M]

40 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

 

so you want me to believe that from the cruise industry ..  yet you handful ,  you all choose not to believe the above links I posted from the cruise industry, royal carribean ceo ,  and this forum. ..  

 

 

 

Stop. Lying.

 

The above links you posted were from 1) an online newspaper 2) yes, this forum. But you HAVE NOT posted any links from the cruise industry nor the CEO about this terminal.

 

Neither of those two links you posted is at issue, and nobody has said they don't believe them. But it doesn't prove any imaginary point you're making either.

[gbenjo]

48 minutes ago, The_Big_M said:

 

Stop. Lying.

 

The above links you posted were from 1) an online newspaper 2) yes, this forum. But you HAVE NOT posted any links from the cruise industry nor the CEO about this terminal.

 

Neither of those two links you posted is at issue, and nobody has said they don't believe them. But it doesn't prove any imaginary point you're making either.

Not only are  they not from Royal but they are at least three or four years old .Adam Armstrong left RCCL in August  2018 and joined Silverseas and the story from Louise Goldsbury mentions the Ovation coming  coming to Sydney for the first time "next season". The Ovation is now in its fourth season in Australia so that is how old these "stories" are..many things change in four years.Gavin Smith has gone from Australia,ran RCCL, in Europe I believe, for a couple of years and returned to Australia to once again head operations here. Yes they obviously need another terminal in Sydney but they, or any one else will not just build it and destroy the Bay.  I will wait to see the current management statements FROM RCCL, not just stories from journalists. Perhaps Louise Goldsbury, who is connected to Cruise Critic, could seek out the up to date intentions of RCCL for us.

Edited January 21, 2020 by gbenjo

[MicCanberra]

1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

 

so you want me to believe that from the cruise industry ..  yet you handful ,  you all choose not to believe the above links I posted from the cruise industry, royal carribean ceo ,  and this forum. ..  

 

reads like double standards to me...  

The article I posted was from a business magazine that specialises in companies and industries that have proven growth and profits. The article itself was an interview with a major travel agent who has seen the growth in people cruising as well as the amount of cruise companies and ships within those companies increasing.

[MicCanberra]

1 hour ago, The_Big_M said:

 

You making stuff up about horses 

 

[The_Big_M]

Haha, you did better than me working out "who the horse is in the above links"!

[gbenjo]

46 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

 

I have seen them swimming horses in Botany Bay.....maybe this guy stirred up that damn toxic sludge. 😱

[MicCanberra]

1 hour ago, gbenjo said:

I have seen them swimming horses in Botany Bay.....maybe this guy stirred up that damn toxic sludge. 😱

May be right.

[in rod we trust]

6 hours ago, gbenjo said:

Not only are  they not from Royal but they are at least three or four years old .Adam Armstrong left RCCL in August  2018 and joined Silverseas and the story from Louise Goldsbury mentions the Ovation coming  coming to Sydney for the first time "next season". The Ovation is now in its fourth season in Australia so that is how old these "stories" are..many things change in four years.Gavin Smith has gone from Australia,ran RCCL, in Europe I believe, for a couple of years and returned to Australia to once again head operations here. Yes they obviously need another terminal in Sydney but they, or any one else will not just build it and destroy the Bay.  I will wait to see the current management statements FROM RCCL, not just stories from journalists. Perhaps Louise Goldsbury, who is connected to Cruise Critic, could seek out the up to date intentions of RCCL for us.

 

like I said anybody with common sense can read that link.   majority of people can clearly read royal carribeans intentions to destroy anything to get what they want ... but common sense aint to common here

[The_Big_M]

1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

 

like I said anybody with common sense can read that link.   majority of people can clearly read royal carribeans intentions to destroy anything to get what they want ... but common sense aint to common here

 

Actually, the only thing I've read in this thread that displays intentions to destroy anything to get what they want, ignore facts and create some of their own, and refuse to listen to anything not in line with that... are posts from you.

[gbenjo]

5 hours ago, in rod we trust said:

 

like I said anybody with common sense can read that link.   majority of people can clearly read royal carribeans intentions to destroy anything to get what they want ... but common sense aint to common here

Yep anyone with common sense can read the link BUT if what you are reading  in the link is three years old and the people quoted are no longer even working for the company then I would not place that much confidence in what is said. Royal  management could have changed their direction and plans a dozen times since these articles were written ( by people not even associated with Royal )  Update yor data sunshine.