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8 minutes ago, lyndarra said:

I thought he meant 6000 pax ships.

Who would know what he means????????????

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1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

 

so what makes you think botany bay can handle all of that as well.. all that you said above just adds to the con's of why it should not be built at botany bay  so thanks for that post ...

  have you even seen or checked the amount of containers leave botany bay terminal .. 

tell me why we need 6000 passenger ships in Sydney , if they cannot fit then its there bad luck other will take up there berthing slots you can bet on that ..

still looking for the pro's of botany bay .. is there any other than convenience  

here is something you can read as well 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/forget-port-botany-for-cruise-ships-even-the-red-cross-supports-garden-island-20200116-p53ry8.html

The Chinese have global dream 9500 passengers apparently.

Dont worry about Royal Caribbean.

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35 minutes ago, gbenjo said:

 

Sadly??? I won't be the there on the 30th March  ..off to PNG on the Sun PRincess on the 23rd leaving from that bloody inconvenient White Bay terminal. 😡 What about the other two?

 

We did Sun Princess  [Aus & PNG] around that same time in 2017 - enjoy!!

 

Bit of a wait for us after March. Next one is Serenade 5th Oct (Cruisin' Country charter) & then Solstice Apr 4th 2021.

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3 hours ago, GUT2407 said:

Of course it is for convenience, otherwise we don’t need any cruise terminals anywhere, they aren’t exactly essential services, but then neither is fishing, sunbathing, or air flights.

 

To be fair I have taken fairly inconvenient flights at three am in the morning😂.  Sydney might have a curfew but most airports in the world run 24hrs and the airlines don't give a crap how us passengers feel😉. Though personally I regard fishing and air travel as part of necessity services, since the former provides a food source and the latter is a form of transport that connects people for work and family. Sunbathing on the other hand the world can do without😂.

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1 hour ago, gbenjo said:

And you say we don't read or listen......For the last time, you idiot,Royal Caribbean (spelt correctly) do not own the airlines, the hotels, the transport , the restaurants, the local produce supplied to the ships or the myriad of other goods and services that would benefit from this not to mention providing employment to many. the cruise lines, yes all of them, pay hefty fees to the Port Authority/ Govt for the use of the terminals, more money that goes back into the local economy.

they do that now anyway so what makes ya think millions will back to the economy when they will spend billions to build it..

 

and again you and your name calling .. well done

 

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3 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

Royal Caribbean’s profits.

Rod Sydney is getting bigger,the population is growing.The city needs more port space.

 

The new terminal will probably be multiple use as it’s next to the container terminal.

So in the cruise off season it could host commercial freight and maybe visiting war ships.

 Port Jackson is congested.

I understand that Sydney is getting bigger but 99% of cruise passengers love to come into Sydney harbor ..  they can relocate the naval fleet and build them a better port and bigger if they want to showcase Sydney harbor .. as for multiple use there wont be enough room for commercial ships there the port wont be bigger enough to house containers or goods ..

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4 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

I understand that Sydney is getting bigger but 99% of cruise passengers love to come into Sydney harbor ..  they can relocate the naval fleet and build them a better port and bigger if they want to showcase Sydney harbor ..

Wow! I find myself in agreement with Rod. 😁

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1 hour ago, The_Big_M said:

Well, if OPT can handle it, why couldn't Botany Bay??

 

And thanks for proving the point; the fact it can handle those containers shows it's more than adequate. Many cargo ports around the world are also used for cruise ships, particularly when the smaller inner harbour ports cannot handle the size the outer cargo ports can.

 

So yes you've made a very good point in favour of Botany Bay! Well done Rod.

 

Oh, yes, read the clearly labelled "opinion" piece. Sadly lacking on logic though.

you don't drive do you or if you do you have not been to botany or surrounding suburbs its bloody gridlock at most times of the day..    there is no way that area can handle that much traffic volume  …  if the cruise ships cant fit under the harbor then take them to another part of the state that they already have existing ports that can or upgrade them .. use eden that will help that town and bring in more tourist down there with much needed funds  and jobs to locals ..  they did say if built at botany they still would take the ships into Sydney harbor to give passengers a view of it , but will not dock there.. if that is the case they can do that even with it being built at eden or Newcastle or port kembla 

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6 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

I understand that Sydney is getting bigger but 99% of cruise passengers love to come into Sydney harbor ..  they can relocate the naval fleet and build them a better port and bigger if they want to showcase Sydney harbor .. as for multiple use there wont be enough room for commercial ships there the port wont be bigger enough to house containers or goods ..

From what I understand Rod ,the new terminal wharf  will be where the container terminal sea wall is and a break wall to the east.

 Correct me if I’m wrong.
Its possible for it to multifunctional,somehow with a small container Crain..

As for relocating the navy,it doesn’t seem to be happening.

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1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

they do that now anyway so what makes ya think millions will back to the economy when they will spend billions to build it..

 

and again you and your name calling .. well done

 

You gotta spend money to make money..... but,  according to you, it is Royal paying for it , so the state will reap the benefits straight away.

Sorry for calling you an idiot, no  idea why I would  think that.

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1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

you don't drive do you or if you do you have not been to botany or surrounding suburbs its bloody gridlock at most times of the day..    there is no way that area can handle that much traffic volume  …  if the cruise ships cant fit under the harbor then take them to another part of the state that they already have existing ports that can or upgrade them .. use eden that will help that town and bring in more tourist down there with much needed funds  and jobs to locals ..  they did say if built at botany they still would take the ships into Sydney harbor to give passengers a view of it , but will not dock there.. if that is the case they can do that even with it being built at eden or Newcastle or port kembla 

They cannot build a third SYDNEY cruise terminal in Eden,  Wollongong or anywhere else.

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2 hours ago, gbenjo said:

Who would know what he means????????????

 It may have been redacted.

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1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

you don't drive do you or if you do you have not been to botany or surrounding suburbs its bloody gridlock at most times of the day..    there is no way that area can handle that much traffic volume  …  if the cruise ships cant fit under the harbor then take them to another part of the state that they already have existing ports that can or upgrade them .. use eden that will help that town and bring in more tourist down there with much needed funds  and jobs to locals ..  they did say if built at botany they still would take the ships into Sydney harbor to give passengers a view of it , but will not dock there.. if that is the case they can do that even with it being built at eden or Newcastle or port kembla 

 

Oh, a new argument, but wrong as well.

 

The extra passenger volume from ships would be far less than handled by the nearby Sydney airport - and certainly nowhere near as bad as the city which is currently in use and you advocate for. And its interesting you try to use this as an argument when the road past Garden Island is far smaller, as busy, and incapable of expansion being on a smaller, crowded peninsula and on to what was the most densely populated suburb of Australia.

 

As for your subsequent comments, that would only INCREASE the environmental impact with all the transport required to transport 10,000 passengers a turnaround time to Sydney! As well as being unappealing to the tourists who you again pretend to advocate for when you promote Sydney Harbour. As a tourist would you want to spend 4 hours each way to get to Sydney from Eden?

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1 hour ago, in rod we trust said:

I understand that Sydney is getting bigger but 99% of cruise passengers love to come into Sydney harbor ..  they can relocate the naval fleet and build them a better port and bigger if they want to showcase Sydney harbor .. as for multiple use there wont be enough room for commercial ships there the port wont be bigger enough to house containers or goods ..

 

You flip and flop more than the animals that you torture for sport when you catch them.

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2 hours ago, in rod we trust said:

you don't drive do you or if you do you have not been to botany or surrounding suburbs its bloody gridlock at most times of the day..    there is no way that area can handle that much traffic volume  …  if the cruise ships cant fit under the harbor then take them to another part of the state that they already have existing ports that can or upgrade them .. use eden that will help that town and bring in more tourist down there with much needed funds  and jobs to locals ..  they did say if built at botany they still would take the ships into Sydney harbor to give passengers a view of it , but will not dock there.. if that is the case they can do that even with it being built at eden or Newcastle or port kembla 

Lol, there is gridlock all over Sydney not just Botany.

Also had to laugh about the cruise ships that don't fit under the harbour (we are not in the US now), they would be the tunnelling cruise ships I suppose.

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2 hours ago, in rod we trust said:

you don't drive do you or if you do you have not been to botany or surrounding suburbs its bloody gridlock at most times of the day..    there is no way that area can handle that much traffic volume  …  if the cruise ships cant fit under the harbor then take them to another part of the state that they already have existing ports that can or upgrade them .. use eden that will help that town and bring in more tourist down there with much needed funds  and jobs to locals ..  they did say if built at botany they still would take the ships into Sydney harbor to give passengers a view of it , but will not dock there.. if that is the case they can do that even with it being built at eden or Newcastle or port kembla 

Build the terminal at Botany. ..they might just upgrade the local  roads as well......now there’s a pro for the argument.

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11 minutes ago, gbenjo said:

Build the terminal at Botany. ..they might just upgrade the local  roads as well......now there’s a pro for the argument.

No where near as many Pros as you may find around King's Cross, which is probably why the Navy won't move.

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55 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

No where near as many Pros as you may find around King's Cross, which is probably why the Navy won't move.

You might be on to something Michael.....in an earlier post ..in Rod we RUST ...was asking for the pros of Botany Bay ..it must be lonely out fishing .

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12 minutes ago, gbenjo said:

You might be on to something Michael.....in an earlier post ..in Rod we RUST ...was asking for the pros of Botany Bay ..it must be lonely out fishing .

I assumed the fishing was done with a line and a hook, but perhaps they prefer fishnets.

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16 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

I assumed the fishing was done with a line and a hook, but perhaps they prefer fishnets.

They might be trying to catch some  "albicwhore"

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3 hours ago, gbenjo said:

They cannot build a third SYDNEY cruise terminal in Eden,  Wollongong or anywhere else.

well botany bay isn't Sydney harbor either is it..  and its going to be the same ships will still leave botany to go in the harbor .. so if that is royal caribeans plan what difference would it matter where the mega cruise terminal is built

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1 hour ago, gbenjo said:

Build the terminal at Botany. ..they might just upgrade the local  roads as well......now there’s a pro for the argument.

where?????   its all been sold of for high rise units have you been thru mascot lately its rooted 

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3 hours ago, The_Big_M said:

 

Oh, a new argument, but wrong as well.

 

The extra passenger volume from ships would be far less than handled by the nearby Sydney airport - and certainly nowhere near as bad as the city which is currently in use and you advocate for. And its interesting you try to use this as an argument when the road past Garden Island is far smaller, as busy, and incapable of expansion being on a smaller, crowded peninsula and on to what was the most densely populated suburb of Australia.

 

As for your subsequent comments, that would only INCREASE the environmental impact with all the transport required to transport 10,000 passengers a turnaround time to Sydney! As well as being unappealing to the tourists who you again pretend to advocate for when you promote Sydney Harbour. As a tourist would you want to spend 4 hours each way to get to Sydney from Eden?

 

why not if Im here to see the country yes I would there is some awesome beaches and towns to see all the way up we have a beautiful coast line and towns along the coast line ... ..  and the cruise ship will no doubt head to Sydney harbor may not dock but you at least could see the view .. see thast why they say flying has more advantage and brings more tourist as they would rather see the country, beaches towns , all over Australia not just the city

 I don't change  my facts have been just that facts , port authority and nsw liberals are the ones hiding the evidence and trying to conceal it from public view  email them and ask for it.. again you just want it for convenience no matter what is destroyed ..  that's all  .. 

 

Edited by in rod we trust

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here is a bit of info about botany bay and what it means to the indigenous people of that area …  so if nsw liberals and royal carribean want to destroy it just for there massive 360+ mtr  cruise ships is a criminal act as far as many will be concerned .. but hey its royal carribean no shock there as they  are doing it the same all over the globe , destroy anything to get there ships in.. well the world is changing more and more cities  are protesting against these cruise lines that will stop at nothing to destroy anything so they can  fill there pockets up, while having little to no gain for people or the countries they destroy or visit

https://www.wildaboutwhales.com.au/blog/aboriginal-people-botany-bay-and-the-whales

Edited by in rod we trust

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Is it such a bad idea to have a terminal outside of Sydney? There are other towns along the NSW coast that have airports and it would be great for regional tourism if we could get more international visitors to those area. America has many towns along their coasts with terminals and people seem willing to fly to all these different ports for their cruises. It would be nice to spread the tourism dollar around more and not just have everything in Sydney.

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