CDC No Sail Order July 16 Update

[mek]

20 hours ago, Ashland said:

Looking even possible for my mid March RCI southern caribbean cruise...yes/no ?

I think it all depends on having a vaccine.  Personally I feel that is the very earliest they might start up again.  I don't want to be on any ship before crises have been up and running smoothly  for several months.  My next cruise is a L&S that I rebooked for November 2021.  Right now I'm comfortable with that, but it's a long way off - anything is possible. 

[Missusdubbya]

8 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

While the post you quoted (which has disappeared) is not correct, neither is yours.  Foreign flag ships do not adhere to USCG regulations while in US waters.  The USCG can only enforce the international agreements like SOLAS, not the stricter regulations that apply to US flag vessels.  The same applies in Australia.  There is overlap in jurisdiction when a foreign ship enters a country's waters, and international law has held that the laws of the flag state apply to the ship in most instances, unless the "safety or well being" of the port is affected, in which case the port state laws can be applied.  Things external to the ship, like air and water pollution, and taxable commerce, will fall under the port state, but things internal to the ship like crew living conditions, working conditions, and wages fall under the flag state.  There are some exceptions, like Australia requiring local crew for cruises that apply for domestic routes, but that is coastwise shipping, and cabotage laws, and they only apply to specific cases.  For example, the SCOTUS has found, years ago, in Spector v NCL, that the US ADA does not always apply to foreign flag cruise vessels.  Certain portions of the ADA, those pertaining to the "ship's internal policies and procedures" are not subject to the ADA, nor does the ADA override SOLAS regulations (an international convention).

 

 

Thanks @chengkp75, I am definitely happy to be corrected. I was thinking of instances like use of the casino and medical reporting at port (I just assumed these were regulations) and should not have made such a broad statement 😀
 

Thanks for the info!

[TheMastodon]

19 hours ago, jknc said:

Here is one thing I’ve learned since beginning of the pandemic,  nobody knows anything. 
 

God help us all.

We do know this much 

 

 

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, Missusdubbya said:

Thanks @chengkp75, I am definitely happy to be corrected. I was thinking of instances like use of the casino and medical reporting at port (I just assumed these were regulations) and should not have made such a broad statement 😀
 

Thanks for the info!

The two examples you give above are examples where the port state has jurisdiction, so your thoughts were correct.

[John&LaLa]

On 7/16/2020 at 8:38 PM, A&L_Ont said:

In our case all of our bookings are suites, so they are non-refundable.  Be great if they changed their policy,😉 but I know that isn’t going to happen.
 

I will be cancelling January 2021 next week for a land based AI, to which I am not sure if we will go either. We already have October 2021, January 2022, and March 2022 booked, so a L&S doesn’t really work either for us.  We plan ahead, but unfortunately in this case it doesn’t seem to work out as easily.

 

 

Come to CB, they have a FlowRider in Orlando🤣

Edited July 18, 2020 by John&LaLa

[A&L_Ont]

8 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Come to CB, they have a FlowRider in Orlando🤣

Just gonna get this. 
 

[John&LaLa]

18 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Just gonna get this. 
 

 

You'll need a dome from Oct to May😉

[A&L_Ont]

2 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

You'll need a dome from Oct to May😉

Already have the 60’x600’ barn.😉

 

Need a big water heater though. 

[jknc]

On 7/17/2020 at 6:54 AM, jknc said:

What’s your point? I’ve asked the question for months. 
 

Open your eyes folks.
 

The situation for cruise lines in the US is becoming dramatically worse, not better.  
 

 

I was a prophet.