Please help me find info on shore excursions on Oceania to Baltic and Scandinavia 9/22

[clo]

I've stumbled around various places on the O site and here and not finding what I'm hoping for. A primer perhaps. We don't do escorted tours on the few cruises we've been on but am guessing we may want to on this trip as we've been to very, VERY few of these ports and may not make it back there. We've also never gotten the O-Life package on our one - so far! - O cruise. There's also an "unlimited excursions" for $1429. I'm very interested in making good decisions but just can't figure out where to start. I also see the OE tours which appear to be smaller groups which is appealing. Although the unlimited isn't chump change I'm wondering if it's worth it. I'm not sure that I want to do all the research to organize our own non-O ones. If anyone can guide me in the right direction I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks,

Cath

[AMHuntFerry]

Hi clo,

I think the easiest (no spreadsheet required 🙂 ) way to go with O-tours is to look at using the "Your World Package". There will be a minimum number of tours to get the package which gives 25% off the full price on all/most tours (I have not seen exclusions but...). From the UPC price I'm guessing your minimum may be around 8 shore excursions (just a guess though!). The minimum seems to be about the same as the number of O-Life shorex per person (rule of thumb but double check). Here's the blurb from the website:

Your World Collection

• Flexibility to custom design your own collection
• Select desired number of excursions from our entire portfolio
• Save 25% per person off à la carte retail prices, subject to a minimum number of excursions required to be reserved depending on voyage length

Both the O-Life and Unlimited Passport Collection exclude a lot of tours (OS, OE, etc.), although there are discounts available (can be 25% with O-Life and "up to" 40% for UPC). Note that the 40% is not guaranteed...on my Dec 2021 cruise, one of our spendy trips is actually more expensive via the UPC price than the YWP price (huh?).

I think it is a good idea to reserve O-tours given the current state of unknown rules. The YWP can be canceled with full refund until the day before embarkation so seems a safe bet. Also, tours do sell out (they specifically mention "popular" ports and there was at least one, maybe two, in the Baltic)...I'm on a waiting list for one and have a back up paid for (had to call to do that since the online system can't handle double booking shorex).

OK, more than you probably wanted. I've analyzed this to death for our upcoming trip. I'm also a DIYer so this was very new to me. We've never even been on a cruise ship but heard about O and decided to try. Let me know if you have any questions.

Kathleen

 

[clo]

15 minutes ago, AMHuntFerry said:

Kathleen

 

Oh my goodness, you're an "info junkie" like I am! This is great info. I thank you SO much for taking the time and making the effort to do this. I hope I've got enough to start going for it.

Best,

clo

[AMHuntFerry]

Another way to do it is to choose the tour that interests you the most in each port (and at 25% off is a price you're willing to pay), then compare the total price of O-Life (with 25% off the non-"free" tours) with the YWP (everything? 25% off). After you do this you can look at whether any 2nd choice tours make enough of a difference for you to care (or as back-up if your first choice is booked).
Caveat...the 25% off requires a minimum number booked.

Oh, I also don't know what the cancellation policy is for O-Life for 100% refund since I didn't choose it (so it's not in my contract)...same as cruise-only (120 for mine...100%-admin credit)? 60 days before embarkation? day before embarkation?

Edited September 23, 2021 by AMHuntFerry
caveat

[lovetravel63-65]

On 9/22/2021 at 11:53 PM, clo said:

I've stumbled around various places on the O site and here and not finding what I'm hoping for. A primer perhaps. We don't do escorted tours on the few cruises we've been on but am guessing we may want to on this trip as we've been to very, VERY few of these ports and may not make it back there. We've also never gotten the O-Life package on our one - so far! - O cruise. There's also an "unlimited excursions" for $1429. I'm very interested in making good decisions but just can't figure out where to start. I also see the OE tours which appear to be smaller groups which is appealing. Although the unlimited isn't chump change I'm wondering if it's worth it. I'm not sure that I want to do all the research to organize our own non-O ones. If anyone can guide me in the right direction I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks,

Cath

We have been to Baltic three times and Scandinavia and used Alla Tours and they were excellent they are based in St Petersburg but they also do tours in other countries.We were in groups of 8-10 and did 2 days with them in St Petersburg and particularly Faberge museum.A lot cheaper than Oceania and we could not fault them

[PhD-iva]

We were on a Baltic cruise on the marina in June 2016. We used SPB tours and they were excellent.

[Reveille70]

When we cruised the Baltic we used SPB TOURS IN 4 or 5 of the ports and they were excellent, no more than 12 on a tour.  Several from our ship used Alta and had the same experience.  Much cheaper and could see a lot more in a small van.

[Ka Honu]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say any seriously bad things about Alla or SPB (We've used both and were well satisfied). As to the Baltic, they have the handle on small, informative, interesting tours with some amazing guides and their "bundling" discounts make them an even better choice.

 

On the other hand, ship tours (not just Oceania but pretty much across the board) get mixed reviews for both quality and cost worldwide. We decided many years ago to avoid ship tours when possible unless the political situation, local infrastructure, or probability of missing departure demands it. It's proven a good choice for us.

 

Jus' sayin'...

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

I'm another research junkie, so thanks AMHuntFerry for the info.  And I'm in a similar situation as clo, though my cruise isn't until May, so I have some time to figure things out.  I wasn't specific with my travel agent this time, and she booked OLife for me, just shipboard credit, not excursions.  I think I can probably drop that before final payment, but not sure.  But if I have a $400 shipboard credit for the $400 I paid, I'm sure it won't be hard to use it up - on excursions or other things!  $400 goes fast on a cruise ship.  

 

While I think there are definite advantages to booking excursions with O due to the uncertainty of future cruise/port rules, Covid changes, etc., I do agree with using Alla (or another company) in St. Petersburg. That in itself will save a lot of money for other tours, and you'll be in a smaller group and probably see more than on a cruise line's excursion.  Don't let Oceania or any other cruise line suggest that you need your own visa for Russia.  Alla and other companies provide a group visa.  Only those few people who want to go off completely on their own (ocean cruise) need a visa for Russia, although I've heard they're needed for some river cruises! But a word of advice: for any excursion in St. Petersburg, prepare yourself for a longer than usual time getting off the ship, and getting cleared by the Russian authorities.  Everybody wants to get off the ship the first day, and they want or need to do it early!

 

The Baltic is a wonderful place to go, with a lot of variety. Photos from my Oceania cruise in are here: Baltic Cruise - August 2012 on Oceania Photo Gallery by Ruth Rosenthal at pbase.com and here: Baltic Treasures - MORE from Aug. 2012 Cruise Photo Gallery by Ruth Rosenthal at pbase.com  We do a lot of touring on our own, so it may not help you to pick excursions.  But at least it might give you an idea of what's possible.

 

Check with Oceania on cancelation policies.  However, my guest statement says:

 

100% fee if cancel: 

A La Carte Shore Excursions - within 36 hours of excursion departure 

Unlimited & Your World Packages - on or after Embarkation day  

Exec Collection & Private Transfers - within 36 hours of scheduled arrangement

 

I don't know if you can take off the Olife amenities once booked.  I was going to ask my travel agent soon about that.  If nothing else, though, I think you can change the selection you made -- excursions vs shipboard credit versus drink package -- but it can't be done last minute.  

 

Happy planning and cruising!

 

 

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

Oh, but if you do want to find excursions on your own (non-cruise line), the Ports of Call of Cruise Critic is a good place. So is Trip Advisor. 

[clo]

1 hour ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

though my cruise isn't until May

We're not scheduled until 9/22 but booking shore excursions through the ship opens soon so want to get educated.

[AMHuntFerry]

2 hours ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

I don't know if you can take off the Olife amenities once booked.  I was going to ask my travel agent soon about that.  If nothing else, though, I think you can change the selection you made -- excursions vs shipboard credit versus drink package -- but it can't be done last minute. 

There was some more info in my "Pre-Purchased Shore excursions and Onboard Items" pdf (but check yours to see if you have the same wording/numbers):

"Guests wishing to select the OLife Choice complimentary Shore Excursions amenity or complimentary Beverage Package amenity as part of their OLife Choice promotion must do so within 14 days of sailing, after which time it will not be possible to switch amenities.

Please note that reservations for shore excursions, dining, and beverage package are accepted up until seven days prior to sailing."

 

The "within 14 days" is confusing to me, but I didn't ask about it since I didn't have O-Life.

Also, when I made the reservation, my TA said that I could add/delete O-Life and/or O-air up to some point (but I can't remember when). I paid final payment for the cruise, but not for O-air which is not due until later; I'm cancelling it since I can do better...my point being that the cruise final payment is not linked to air final payment, so O-Life may have a different final payment too (or not). Yay for TAs and their seemingly infinite knowledge!

 

I wish I had the energy to plan excursions this time, but I'm just happy we're making the time to get away (phones will be locked in the safe!!).

[KatieBelle]

We are leaning towards Alla for St. Petersburg.  Has anyone used them for other tours, i.e. Stockholm, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Gdansk?  Any input would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.  

Katie

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

23 hours ago, AMHuntFerry said:

There was some more info in my "Pre-Purchased Shore excursions and Onboard Items" pdf (but check yours to see if you have the same wording/numbers):

"Guests wishing to select the OLife Choice complimentary Shore Excursions amenity or complimentary Beverage Package amenity as part of their OLife Choice promotion must do so within 14 days of sailing, after which time it will not be possible to switch amenities.

Please note that reservations for shore excursions, dining, and beverage package are accepted up until seven days prior to sailing."

 

The "within 14 days" is confusing to me, but I didn't ask about it since I didn't have O-Life.

Also, when I made the reservation, my TA said that I could add/delete O-Life and/or O-air up to some point (but I can't remember when). I paid final payment for the cruise, but not for O-air which is not due until later; I'm cancelling it since I can do better...my point being that the cruise final payment is not linked to air final payment, so O-Life may have a different final payment too (or not). Yay for TAs and their seemingly infinite knowledge!

 

I wish I had the energy to plan excursions this time, but I'm just happy we're making the time to get away (phones will be locked in the safe!!).

AMHuntFerry - Thanks for the info relayed by your TA about dropping OLife.  I'm pretty sure we can drop ours, since we have only made a deposit.  And we don't know whether we'll be using O's air or not (probably not), so we'll probably be juggling around a bit later anyway.   And thanks for reminding me that there's more info on excursions in the attachments we received after booking.   

I think the "within 14 days of sailing" only pertains to the choice of changing which OLife amenity you want - excursions, shipboard credit, or drink package.  Generally Oceania gives you a choice.  So if you decide you want excursions rather than the other choices, you can change up until 14 days pre-sail.

 

It's OK to choose ship excursions.  I just did that on my "finally I'm on vacation again" cruise on Viking.  When I booked last spring, we were told we might have to do ship excursions and stay in a bubble to satisfy Iceland requirements.  But the requirements later changed and when we boarded the ship, we found we could do whatever we wanted.   But by then I had excursions chosen, and was happy with them, so I pretty much stuck to my plan.  I have to admit it was easier that way.  And while being on a coach with lots of people isn't ideal, it doesn't really bother me.  And it worked out OK as Viking was limiting the number of people in each group.   I managed to see and do a LOT.  

 

Katie - I only used Alla for SP.  I heard one person say tours by Alla they took in Berlin and another city (forget which) were good but not as good as the tour in SP.  But that's just one person's opinion, some years ago, and in two cities.  But I don't know if I'd want an all day tour in Helsinki or Stockholm -  nice places for sure, but not as attraction-packed as some other places.  Gdansk might be a good place, though, as ships dock in Gdynia, a ways from the city, which means you need transportation, whether it be the funky little train I took (and then a tram), or taxi, or excursion.  And Gdansk is a a little spread out, too, between the Old Town (loved it!) and the shipyard.   So if nothing else, a tour could solve any transportation difficulties as well as give you a lot of history.

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by IWantToLiveOverTheSea

[gbits]

I am not a fan of ship tours so we always do ours independently. We used TJ Travel for St. Petersburg and they were fabulous (https://st-petersburg-tours.ru) and very reasonably priced (we had 2 overnights so we toured for 3 days). Although we did not use them for other areas I know they also offer tours in several of the other Baltic ports. I recommend you look at your roll call to see if there are others putting together tours in the various ports. I set up the one with TJ and I wound up with 30 people signing up thru the roll call and they gave us 3 vans. I would be happy to give you the info on who we used in other ports if you decide you want to book independent tours.

[clo]

For anyone wanting to throw in their two cents worth I (and others) would love to see what you have to say. And thank you.

 

DAY	PORT	ARRIVE	DEPART
Sep 13 Tue	Oslo, Norway	Embark 1 PM	5 PM
Sep 14 Wed	Cruising the Baltic Sea
Sep 15 Thu	Stockholm, Sweden	9 AM	5 PM
Sep 16 Fri	Kotka, Finland	12 PM	8 PM
Sep 17 Sat	St. Petersburg, Russia	7 AM
Sep 18 Sun	St. Petersburg, Russia		6 PM
Sep 19 Mon	Tallinn, Estonia	8 AM	5 PM
Sep 20 Tue	Riga, Latvia	10 AM	7 PM
Sep 21 Wed	Visby, Sweden	9 AM	5 PM
Sep 22 Thu	Gdansk, Poland	7 AM	5 PM
Sep 23 Fri	Copenhagen, Denmark	9 AM	9 PM
Sep 24 Sat	Berlin (Warnemunde), Germany	6 AM	9 PM
Sep 25 Sun	Aarhus, Denmark	8 AM	6 PM
Sep 26 Mon	Cruising the North Sea
Sep 27 Tue	Amsterdam (Ijmuiden), Netherlands

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

On 9/26/2021 at 4:56 PM, clo said:

We're not scheduled until 9/22 but booking shore excursions through the ship opens soon so want to get educated.

I tried to reply to your post about excursions/sights on your cruise.  Cruise Critic wouldn't let me.  If this post goes through, I'll just reply here.  So this is a test.....

[clo]

13 minutes ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

I tried to reply to your post about excursions/sights on your cruise.  Cruise Critic wouldn't let me.  If this post goes through, I'll just reply here.  So this is a test.....

Loud and clear and thanks!

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

OK, here are some comments on your itinerary.  I'm a very independent soul, so they may not be all that useful.  But here goes: 

 

You may already know this, but you won't see much of embarkation and disembarkation ports unless you go early to the ports or stay late.  

 

Visby: You can just walk around in Visby, soaking up a nice island ambiance and wandering through the ruins of 7 churches, partial city walls, moat, etc. Lovely stop, but does require tendering, as it's an island, with no cruise port.

 

Riga: If you want to see gorgeous art nouveau buildings, Riga has some exceptional ones.   (See photo gallery link above.) But they're a little hard to find, though within easy walking distance of the port.  Really, I'm not sure I'd recommend any tour in Riga, as actual tourist sights are somewhat limited.  We took a HoHo from near the port, but mostly it was just driving around with little to see. 

 

SP: At the time, Alla offered two tours, a "comfort" tour and a more jam-packed tour.  The comfort tour took in PLENTY and was tiring enough for us.  I may have mentioned this before, but get up early the first day in SP if you take a non-ship excursion (or maybe even if you take a ship excursion).  The whole ship empties out that day, and it takes a while to get through Russian clearance (individually, documents in hand).  And don't buy a visa; not necessary.

 

On our Stockholm day, I got up 1 or 2 hours early to see us meander through the archipelago.  It was nice, with lots of islands and houses and marinas scattered about.  But if you're not an early bird, you may want to give it a pass.  

 

I've been to Amsterdam, but on a river cruise, so can't really comment on Amsterdam, and where the cruise port, etc. is.

 

In Gdansk and Berlin, there's some time needed to get to the cities from where ships have to dock.  We rented a car in Berlin and drove to outside the city, then took the subway (or commuter train?  I forget) to see 3 or 4 sights (see pbase gallery).  Some people stayed in Warnemunde, which is a nice resorty area.  Some people took the nearby train to Berlin.  Lots of people probably took excursions to the city, both ship and private.  For Gdansk, the drive is not as long as for Berlin. It's probably a good place to take an excursion.  But there ARE taxis in Gdynia, the port, plus money exchange if you think you'll need Polish money.  (Or have they gone on the euro?  Not sure.  Although mostly I only needed local money because I did a lot of indy things, where I wasn't sure if credit cards would be taken).  And Gdansk was a great stop - beautiful Old Town, historic shipyard, little boat trips on the river, etc.

 

Helsinki had a few sights that most people went to, but overall I wouldn't say Helsinki was a favorite of mine.  In Tallinn, I did the usual explorations of their old town.  There was a shuttle to pretty close to there from the ship. 

 

For Copenhagen, you may dock within easy walking distance of the Little Mermaid.  There was also a water taxi station close by, which was useful for people who wanted to take a cheap fun boat ride around the harbor, or get to some tourist sites.

 

I don't remember going outside in the countryside in any place in the Baltic, and other than the Alla tour in SP,  I don't remember if I took any ship's excursions or not.  Most of the ports were generally very easy to get around, and the public transportation, being European, was very good.  And I'm a cheapskate when it comes to tours, and very independent, so I didn't try too hard to find excursions.  But I did do a lot of research, went with maps, etc., and focused on things I was interested in.  So it's hard to tell others what they might like.  Normally I mix excursions with wanderings, but the Baltic lent itself easily to wandering, so I did more than usual of it on that trip. 

 

The Baltic area is a wonderful cruise location.  You'll love it.  Here's a Visby shot.

 

Edited September 28, 2021 by IWantToLiveOverTheSea

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

And here's a Riga shot. 

[ORV]

On 9/26/2021 at 2:59 PM, AMHuntFerry said:

The "within 14 days" is confusing to me

That phrase creates confusion, just substitute “at least 14 days before your cruise.”

 

Many  people interpret that to mean that it needs to happen in the 14 days just prior to embarkation day. 

[clo]

5 hours ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

The Baltic area is a wonderful cruise location.  You'll love it. 

Thank you SO much for all of this. I'm very impressed and ready to roll up my sleeves and get to work on this. We just moved in June and it's been a helluva time getting settled. You and others here have helped me a lot.

[Beagle5]

7 hours ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

Visby: You can just walk around in Visby, soaking up a nice island ambiance and wandering through the ruins of 7 churches, partial city walls, moat, etc. Lovely stop, but does require tendering, as it's an island, with no cruise port.

Whilst it's still usually listed as a tender stop, Visby does have a cruise port now with capacity for 2 ships. We were docked when we stopped on Marina in 2019.

[nursinadream]

8 hours ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said:

OK, here are some comments on your itinerary.  I'm a very independent soul, so they may not be all that useful.  But here goes: 

 

You may already know this, but you won't see much of embarkation and disembarkation ports unless you go early to the ports or stay late.  

 

Visby: You can just walk around in Visby, soaking up a nice island ambiance and wandering through the ruins of 7 churches, partial city walls, moat, etc. Lovely stop, but does require tendering, as it's an island, with no cruise port.

 

Riga: If you want to see gorgeous art nouveau buildings, Riga has some exceptional ones.   (See photo gallery link above.) But they're a little hard to find, though within easy walking distance of the port.  Really, I'm not sure I'd recommend any tour in Riga, as actual tourist sights are somewhat limited.  We took a HoHo from near the port, but mostly it was just driving around with little to see. 

 

SP: At the time, Alla offered two tours, a "comfort" tour and a more jam-packed tour.  The comfort tour took in PLENTY and was tiring enough for us.  I may have mentioned this before, but get up early the first day in SP if you take a non-ship excursion (or maybe even if you take a ship excursion).  The whole ship empties out that day, and it takes a while to get through Russian clearance (individually, documents in hand).  And don't buy a visa; not necessary.

 

On our Stockholm day, I got up 1 or 2 hours early to see us meander through the archipelago.  It was nice, with lots of islands and houses and marinas scattered about.  But if you're not an early bird, you may want to give it a pass.  

 

I've been to Amsterdam, but on a river cruise, so can't really comment on Amsterdam, and where the cruise port, etc. is.

 

In Gdansk and Berlin, there's some time needed to get to the cities from where ships have to dock.  We rented a car in Berlin and drove to outside the city, then took the subway (or commuter train?  I forget) to see 3 or 4 sights (see pbase gallery).  Some people stayed in Warnemunde, which is a nice resorty area.  Some people took the nearby train to Berlin.  Lots of people probably took excursions to the city, both ship and private.  For Gdansk, the drive is not as long as for Berlin. It's probably a good place to take an excursion.  But there ARE taxis in Gdynia, the port, plus money exchange if you think you'll need Polish money.  (Or have they gone on the euro?  Not sure.  Although mostly I only needed local money because I did a lot of indy things, where I wasn't sure if credit cards would be taken).  And Gdansk was a great stop - beautiful Old Town, historic shipyard, little boat trips on the river, etc.

 

Helsinki had a few sights that most people went to, but overall I wouldn't say Helsinki was a favorite of mine.  In Tallinn, I did the usual explorations of their old town.  There was a shuttle to pretty close to there from the ship. 

 

For Copenhagen, you may dock within easy walking distance of the Little Mermaid.  There was also a water taxi station close by, which was useful for people who wanted to take a cheap fun boat ride around the harbor, or get to some tourist sites.

 

I don't remember going outside in the countryside in any place in the Baltic, and other than the Alla tour in SP,  I don't remember if I took any ship's excursions or not.  Most of the ports were generally very easy to get around, and the public transportation, being European, was very good.  And I'm a cheapskate when it comes to tours, and very independent, so I didn't try too hard to find excursions.  But I did do a lot of research, went with maps, etc., and focused on things I was interested in.  So it's hard to tell others what they might like.  Normally I mix excursions with wanderings, but the Baltic lent itself easily to wandering, so I did more than usual of it on that trip. 

 

The Baltic area is a wonderful cruise location.  You'll love it.  Here's a Visby shot.

 

Thanks for your Baltic tips and photos.  I viewed your photo gallery that you posted in an earlier post.  Our 32 day cruise in 2022 includes Baltic and Vikings.  I enjoy your independent travel spirit/

[sofietucker]

We love the Baltic. What a wonderful itinerary you have!

Oslo: Viking Museum is good; there are also a couple of art museums right off the pier, and you can take a stroll through downtown that takes you to the palace. There's a hilarious Youtube video of the royal guard dancing to Thriller...

Stockholm: Plenty to and see walkable from the pier, if you are in the main harbor or catch a variety of transport. Go to the Vasa Museum (it's a 17th c. war ship raised from the harbor, in excellent condition)! Next door is the ABBA museum. Across the street from that is Skansen, wonderful (huge) open air museum  featuring buildings, homes, etc, from all the times in Swedish history. Like a version of Colonial Williamsburg. There are also reindeer and Baba Yaga's house. The National History museum is astonishing--Vikings, etc. Ans contemporary Art Museum on another island. Plus Gamla Stan or Old Town, not to be missed, on yet another islands (all in the small harbor, all walkable).

Have not been to Kotka. Have done a 2-day SPB in SP; be sure to go down into the subway to look at the art! Slabs of precious stone... Or go to the Hermitage 2 days in a row!

Tallin: Very charming, a favorite. You can climb the hill to the top of old town, and wander down past parks, shops, restaurants, markets. This is where the Singing Revolution began.

Not been to Riga yet, nor Visby. In Gdansk, don't miss Copernicus' house, near the red brick cathedral. We saw Lech Walenksa and spoke with him on the street... Get some amber.

Copenhagen: Tivoli is the classic. A big art museum across the street, Hans Christian Anderson statue on the next block, etc. Something different: going to Christiania, a neighborhood that has a free economy (barter) and a free attitude...

Warnemunde: to avoid a long train ride to Berlin, you might like a local visit to the town of Rostock, a boat ride on a lake, visiting a castle. All very nice.

Not been to Aarhus yet... We usually go into AMS a few days early to play--there is so much to do and see! There are more museums here than anywhere else in the world. The Rijksmuseum--also nearby are the Van Gogh museum and the contemporary art museum. The big concert hall (Concertgebouw) at the end of the meadow (Museetplain) features free concerts on a weekday afternoon. You can wander the streets along the canals--or take a boat ride, to orient yourself. The floating market. The old & new churches (Nieuwkirk, Oudenkirk), the city gate (the restaurant across the square has free jazz every day at 5). There's a cat museum. The big flea market. The zoo and botanical gardens in Plantis neighborhood...

Whatever you do, enjoy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by sofietucker