Sailing on the Harmony some info please before our 1/16 sailing

[smeck]

I was curious if the Production shows have been scaled back IE Aquatheater, and main production shows?   I would cancel if that's the case we wouldn't be getting our moneys worth without a price reduction. 

[BND]

5 minutes ago, smeck said:

I was curious if the Production shows have been scaled back IE Aquatheater, and main production shows?   I would cancel if that's the case we wouldn't be getting our moneys worth without a price reduction. 

We were on Nov 28 and Dec 5 and no scale back.  Interesting that you associate shows with getting your money's worth on a cruise.  

[topnole]

2 minutes ago, smeck said:

I was curious if the Production shows have been scaled back IE Aquatheater, and main production shows?   I would cancel if that's the case we wouldn't be getting our moneys worth without a price reduction. 

Do you mean capacity for seating or the show being shorter or cancellations.  I know some cruises have had show cancellations, but that is depending on the ship and health of performers on those particular sailings.  
 

As far as I know shows are normal other than making and where you sit based on vaccinations.  
 

Cancellations can happen, but you likely won’t know before leaving on your 

cruise.  That happened before Covid too with ice shows and aqua theater getting canceled due to rough weather here and there.  

[topnole]

1 minute ago, BND said:

We were on Nov 28 and Dec 5 and no scale back.  Interesting that you associate shows with getting your money's worth on a cruise.  

Why do you think Royal spends a fortune on shows?  Because people like shows.  I don’t care so much, but I recognize many do.  People spend a lot on similar types of shows when they go to places like Vegas.  For some, it is a big part of their vacation.  I’m surprised this is surprising.  

[BND]

7 minutes ago, topnole said:

Why do you think Royal spends a fortune on shows?  Because people like shows.  I don’t care so much, but I recognize many do.  People spend a lot on similar types of shows when they go to places like Vegas.  For some, it is a big part of their vacation.  I’m surprised this is surprising.  

But, it's not the reason people cruise and "money's worth" isn't something you can come up with.  Sounds like op wants a discount if they don't get the shows they expect.  Shows can and have been cancelled or changed for any variety of reasons over the years, weather, motion, illness, injury.    They spend money on shows to provide entertainment and give people options on top of the casino and other venues, not as the sole focus of the cruise.  

[cruisegirl1]

Didn’t Harmony used to have “Columbus the musical” show. I was on the December 5 sailing and noticed it was not being presented. 
 

Also they had a second ice and diving show. A shorter more casual show with no reservations needed.   I don’t remember the name of the diving show but it had some beach party theme, and the ice show was something like iskate or skate 2.0. I don’t recall seeing supplemental diving or Ice shows also on December 5 cruise. 
 

We had Grease, ice show, diving show, comedy show, headliner shows, (two different ones) 

 

Plus there was live music all around the ship.

 

Lots of wonderful entertainment. 
 

enjoy. 
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Edit to add-there is no way to know what changes could be made if entertainment staff become ill. We are sailing Harmony  on January 2 and January 9, and I can try to come back and update. 
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Edited December 24, 2021 by cruisegirl1

[topnole]

38 minutes ago, BND said:

But, it's not the reason people cruise and "money's worth" isn't something you can come up with.  Sounds like op wants a discount if they don't get the shows they expect.  Shows can and have been cancelled or changed for any variety of reasons over the years, weather, motion, illness, injury.    They spend money on shows to provide entertainment and give people options on top of the casino and other venues, not as the sole focus of the cruise.  

I think each person can define their own money’s worth formula.  For many that includes shows.  That is why Royal spend a fortune developing an aqua theatre and buying rights to Cats as an example.  People are paying for the shoes too so for money they want that aspect included.  Seems reasonable to me even if I don’t care about the shows so much.  

[jalves]

Wondering what the money value of a show would be.  $10?  $100?  How much of a price reduction would be appropriate?

[topnole]

27 minutes ago, topnole said:

I think each person can define their own money’s worth formula.  For many that includes shows.  That is why Royal spend a fortune developing an aqua theatre and buying rights to Cats as an example.  People are paying for the shoes too so for money they want that aspect included.  Seems reasonable to me even if I don’t care about the shows so much.  

Front row or great seats for Mama Mia, certainly a lot of value for some people.  Equivalent on land is probably close to $100 or maybe even more.  But everyone will about the shows and activities in a different way.  I value the flowrider a lot, but most probably don’t at all.  Royal will never refund for missing shows.  The cruise is one big package.  Not everything is gonna work perfectly on every cruise.  

[ChattTenn]

3 hours ago, smeck said:

I was curious if the Production shows have been scaled back IE Aquatheater, and main production shows?   I would cancel if that's the case we wouldn't be getting our moneys worth without a price reduction. 

We were on 12/12 - 12/19 sailing.  We saw the show at Aqua Theater (1st night), Ice show (2nd night) & Grease (6th day) and all the headline shows.  They cancelled some shows at Aqua Theater due to strong wind and wave but made it up later.

I never based my cruise on just shows ONLY there are things on the ship would worth my time and money.

Good luck.

 

ps.  On Oasis a few year back they tried the water show several time (rescheduled) but technical problem, sea etc. we did not get to see a full show but we had good time on that ship too.

[Another_Critic]

1/16 is 3+ weeks away.  There is no guarantee which shows will be performed tonight, tomorrow, or next week and definitely not in 3+ weeks.

 

In all honesty, if you are concerned about missing shows, you should cancel now. 

 

Even in the best of times (pre-Covid), shows were canceled due to weather (rough seas) among other reasons.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Another_Critic

[smeck]

Please don’t tell me how to value my vacation.  We pay the premium price for an Oasis class ship to experience the entertainment it offers.  

[Blizzard54]

3 hours ago, cruisegirl1 said:

Didn’t Harmony used to have “Columbus the musical” show. I was on the December 5 sailing and noticed it was not being presented. 
 

Also they had a second ice and diving show. A shorter more casual show with no reservations needed.   I don’t remember the name of the diving show but it had some beach party theme, and the ice show was something like iskate or skate 2.0. I don’t recall seeing supplemental diving or Ice shows also on December 5 cruise. 
 

We had Grease, ice show, diving show, comedy show, headliner shows, (two different ones) 

 

Plus there was live music all around the ship.

 

Lots of wonderful entertainment. 
 

enjoy. 
m

 

Edit to add-there is no way to know what changes could be made if entertainment staff become ill. We are sailing Harmony  on January 2 and January 9, and I can try to come back and update. 
m

Columbus had not finished installing since the start-up.

They started a new dive show the week you were on. The old show was done the previous week.

The other Ice show was canceled the week you were on because 3 skaters were injured.  We saw one of them go down during I-skate the previous week.   He finished the show but was obviously in pain.  Overall, they did a good job in filling in the entertainment schedule.   

[LGW59]

4 hours ago, BND said:

But, it's not the reason people cruise and "money's worth" isn't something you can come up with.  Sounds like op wants a discount if they don't get the shows they expect.  Shows can and have been cancelled or changed for any variety of reasons over the years, weather, motion, illness, injury.    They spend money on shows to provide entertainment and give people options on top of the casino and other venues, not as the sole focus of the cruise.  

Oh do tell how you know the reason people cruise?!  Apparently it is important to the OP

[Another_Critic]

4 hours ago, BND said:

But, it's not the reason people cruise and "money's worth" isn't something you can come up with.

Qualifies for dumbest comment of the year nomination.  🙄

[golfer08]

Sailed Harmony 12/5-12/12.  Fantastic ship, great crew, good food.  Attended all shows and productions as all were presented as scheduled.  Not sure about the piano bar.  The shows and productions were excellent.  In fact, attended Grease twice because of seats available at the last one.  I too booked Harmoney mostly because RCI is known for its ships and Broadway shows.  I too might have cancelled had RCI announced in advance that the shows were not going to be presented.  There is no guarantee for the next cruise.  CC participants should avoid being critical of other CC members for the criteria they use to select ships and cruises.  To each his own.

[BND]

16 hours ago, LGW59 said:

Oh do tell how you know the reason people cruise?!  Apparently it is important to the OP

So, you think people cruise for production shows only?  Really?  The OP's post was about getting his "money's worth".  How many people do you know that cruise only for production shows?  Sorry that the CDC's rules are forcing RCI to make changes.

Edited December 25, 2021 by BND

[smeck]

41 minutes ago, BND said:

So, you think people cruise for production shows only?  Really?  The OP's post was about getting his "money's worth".  How many people do you know that cruise only for production shows?  Sorry that the CDC's rules are forcing RCI to make changes.

The point I was trying to make is that your paying for a premium product on the Oasis class ships, if the product isn’t being delivered why pay the premium price?   Would you pay for a hamburger at steak

Prices simply because their out of steaks? 

[LGW59]

2 hours ago, BND said:

So, you think people cruise for production shows only?  Really?  The OP's post was about getting his "money's worth".  How many people do you know that cruise only for production shows?  Sorry that the CDC's rules are forcing RCI to make changes.

Frankly I don’t spend any time thinking about why people cruise!  Their $$, their decision, Yes really .

[smeck]

We’re sailing on Harmony 1/16  curious about the State of the ship.  Are shows happening? 

[vandy]

17 minutes ago, smeck said:

We’re sailing on Harmony 1/16  curious about the State of the ship.  Are shows happening? 

Just got off this morning - we had no cancellations of any shows or ports.  

[rockmom]

I don't think a past sailing will be any indication of what might happen on the next sailing.  It will all be dependent on if crew and passengers start testing positive in addition to ports shutting their doors to cruise ships making a stop.  I think you have to go into it hoping for the best, but prepared for what some are going through now which is no port stops, very little entertainment.  

Edited December 26, 2021 by rockmom

[Another_Critic]

27 minutes ago, smeck said:

We’re sailing on Harmony 1/16  curious about the State of the ship.  Are shows happening? 

Why did you create another thread?

 

 

[smeck]

49 minutes ago, Another_Critic said:

Why did you create another thread?

 

 

Is it really your concern?

[Another_Critic]

4 minutes ago, smeck said:

Is it really your concern?

Yes, it is.