Carnival under 18 curfew

[momof3cruisers]

1 hour ago, wemjam said:

16... and contact "at least every 12 hrs."  OMG I must just be old school or something, but at 16 that kid would be checking in with me every hour.

 

This unsupervised behavior is insane.  What person responsible for a child would go HOURs without knowing where they were or what they were doing?  

Just highlighting these parts of your post to say that not seeing ANYONE you are sailing with for 12 hours is insane! My daughter and I sailed together in March. We like to do different things. I love trivia and relaxing on the Serenity deck. She’s into karaoke and more active stuff. We checked in with each other after each activity. Because it’s good to know the other person is okay. And she’s TWENTY FIVE and I’m 50. 
 

Same daughter back when she was 15 or so, decided to stay out past her agreed upon curfew ONE night on a cruise. We had connecting cabins and she apparently thought we wouldn’t notice. Silly little girl. Next day she was required to stay with mom and dad. She never broke curfew again which was 15 min after the club activities ended. 
 

Not only can kids get into mischief and trouble, but mischief and trouble find them and their safety can be at risk. 

[lilchuckie]

On 9/1/2022 at 4:37 PM, rrraydon said:

Call me a prude but that’s late for kids to be out running around!

I don’t think you’re a prude by today’s standards but  I am not that old and I remember being able to stay out all night around 13 or 14. 
 

My dad caught me smoking at 10 or 11 and his reaction was “if you’re old enough to smoke them you’re old enough to buy them” and made me get a job. Kids don’t know consequences or responsibility these days because we treat them like this.

 

I say let them have a good time but when they mess up the whole family get’s their vacation ruined like if an adult does it. Kids need to let loose and have a good time too. There was nothing like sneaking beers or trying to pick up girls and bumping uglies on vacation when I was in high school. Why are we denying kids these life experiences? Seems like we’d have more responsible adults if young people got this out of their system in their teens instead of 20s. 
 

I saw a couple 12-16 year olds trashing the buffet one night. If i did that, I’d be off the ship. Hold them to same accountability and be done. Maybe they’d have a little more street smarts or parents would figure out they need to buckle down if they faced those consequences and had it thrown in their face like that. 
 

off my soapbox, not trying to stir up stuff. I just think this is a problem with society that no one is talking about. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by lilchuckie

[The Greater Fool]

This curfew seems overly restrictive on our 7 year old grandson.  I hope he can cope.

 

[icft]

13 minutes ago, momof3cruisers said:

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Not only can kids get into mischief and trouble, but mischief and trouble find them and their safety can be at risk. 

That's what I have been thinking as I read this thread. We have three sons, now in their 30s, and when they lived at home we kept up with where they were and who they were with. On vacation we kept even closer tabs. It wasn't worry about them creating mischief but worry about mischief finding them.

 

When cell phones first came out my wife had a "bag phone." When the phones got smaller she got a phone for each of our sons. I thought she was nuts and was spoiling them. But I soon learned that she had them on a string through those phones. She knew where they were, when they left, where they were going and who they were with every step of the way. Again, it wasn't a question of making sure they were not creating mischief but that they were safe and had safe plans.

[2wheelin]

3 hours ago, wemjam said:

16... and contact "at least every 12 hrs."  OMG I must just be old school or something, but at 16 that kid would be checking in with me every hour.  I would also want to know where he was and do spot checks on him periodically.  This is the problem today.  People just let kids' run free with no supervision and do what they want.  I am sorry, EVEN the BEST kids can get into mischief if they are left to their own accord.

 

I sailed for years with two young sons, both GOOD kids.  Honor students, and respectful because that is how we raised them.  Even up until 17 and 18 years old, they still were responsible for checking in and letting us know what they were doing and what was going on, on a REGULAR basis all day long!

 

This unsupervised behavior is insane.  What person responsible for a child would go HOURs without knowing where they were or what they were doing?  I guess the same ones that when you told them what they kid did would stand there and stare you in the face and yell at you "NOT my kid"

 

This is exactly why the last ship we were on 4 little brats (ages 12-15 I would guess) were running wild and terrorizing things.  We were at guest services waiting in line and they came running through the lobby wooping it up.  One ran up to the counter and DEMANDED a band aid from the guest service agent who politely asked him to wait his turn (while the other 3 went over and banged on the Service kiosk and slammed their hand against it and kicked it because it wouldn't do what they wanted).  When the guest service agent asked him VERY politely to be respectful and wait his turn this kid had the never to turn around and cuss the guy out and F this and F that, then they all 4 ran off.  

 

IT WAS ALL I COULD DO NOT TO KNOCK THE BRAT ON HIS BACK SIDE!! And bite my tounge!  And you know who is to blame... the parents allowing these kids to run wild.  Also, the reason kids do what they do, when I was growing up ANY adult around would have done just that - and their parents would have thanked you for it!

Yeah, I worded that incorrectly. I struggled because I thought that was too long also but thought about how many teenagers sleep for 12 hours straight. And the idea of being in separate cabins is foreign to me. We were never fortunate enough to  go on a cruise with our kids (before they were paying adults) so don’t even think about the stupidity of some parents. We would have been on vacation to be WITH our kids, not get away from them. While every hour during the day is a bit restrictive for teens, every 2-3 is not. Totally agree with all the other things you said.

[BoozinCroozin]

I don't have an issue with it. The well behaved ones will feel punished because of the handful of timeout kids who are out of control. I think there should be other rules in place. Kids get 2 chances to behave. After that they must be with THE PARENT at all times and never alone. Have some type of stamp on their S&S card. After 2 hole punches in it, they must be with their parent at all times. If they are not, then the parents and kid get quarantined to their room until dropped off at the next port. Its time to put the ownership back on the parents. 

 

I am lucky. My daughter is too afraid to get into trouble. The group she hung out with on our first cruise were always well behaved. Never a single issue with the 15 or so kids. The only "issue" one night they were hanging out on couches by the windows. They were outside the bar that was closed, but technically part of the bar. The crew member explained to them, no questions asked, and showed them where they could sit just up the hallway. It all comes down to how your kids behave,

[MommytoAsquared]

On the Pride this summer, a comedian teased a girl in the front row (about 13 ish), not only did she jump up and smart off to the comedian, she turned and yelled at the rest of the audience.  If I recall correctly, she yelled "If you call me entitled, I'm going to act entitled."  Even her little brother was embarrassed and grabbed her arm to get her to sit down.

 

This was in the roaming pack from the teens club.  They came to the comedy show every. single. night. and tried to heckle the comedian from the front row.  My teens were with me and found them obnoxious.

[kelkel2]

On 9/1/2022 at 3:37 PM, rrraydon said:

Call me a prude but that’s late for kids to be out running around!

I don’t think you’re a prude. I’m in my mid 30’s with little kids and as they get older I wouldn’t want them out until 1. Especially not without a parent around. Sorry but nothing good happens after midnight with young teens. I think it’s a good move on carnival’s part, let’s just see if they actually enforce it.

[asalligo]

I think this is not just an issue of kids getting worse. We are dealing with a lost generation right now. This years incoming 9th graders in the US just scored the lowest on Reading and Math in the history of recording those statistics. Those kids did not just miss out on reading and math. They missed out on three years of all the social conditions that make you a better functioning person in society. We are just going to be in for a rough few years of behavior in kids that missed learning vital social skills. 

[matymil]

On 9/5/2022 at 4:56 PM, jimbo5544 said:

But it is THEIR vacation

Yeah they seemed to take a vacation from all their parenting responsibilities. Honestly though, I think that did have alot to do with how bad it was. That was more than likely alot of families first trip post covid so the kids were unleashed and the parents just let them loose for lack of a better term.

[sgttami]

Can I request a curfew for myself????  (LOL)

 

Spent way too many cruises in the casino in the wee hours of the morning.  Someone tapping me on the shoulder and saying, "you're done."  would jolt me into reality.  

 

If the kids aren't at a cruise event/club, I don't think a curfew is unreasonable.  Wandering aimlessly will only lead to trouble.

[jimbo5544]

11 hours ago, matymil said:

Yeah they seemed to take a vacation from all their parenting responsibilities. Honestly though, I think that did have alot to do with how bad it was. That was more than likely alot of families first trip post covid so the kids were unleashed and the parents just let them loose for lack of a better term.

I really do not know, from my view it is more societal broad based than a knee jerk reaction from the pandemic.  At any rate, CCL needs to deal with it strongly before it gets out of hand.  Whether their current response is adequate, we will see.

[ProgRockCruiser]

On 9/3/2022 at 6:19 AM, deliver42 said:

1A.M. is ridiculous. Much too late. If you're going to have a curfew, at least make it real, like 11P.M.

For the record, I'm in my fifties.  (Ugh, I hate reminding myself of that.  Where did my thirties go?  I want them back!)

 

When I was 16/17 we'd go to the late movie showing that started at 9pm (ish), so we often didn't get home until close to midnight if the movie was a little more than two hours long.  So 1am seems like a good curfew for 16/17 year olds.

 

Under that age, curfew should probably be 11pm.

 

But, generating a sliding scale like that is annoying to implement.

 

On 9/5/2022 at 4:11 PM, wemjam said:

at 16 that kid would be checking in with me every hour.  I would also want to know where he was and do spot checks on him periodically.  This is the problem today.  People just let kids' run free with no supervision and do what they want.  I am sorry, EVEN the BEST kids can get into mischief if they are left to their own accord.

 

When I was 9 years old or so, and through my tween years, my buddies and I would spend all day away from home, wandering the bush or playing at each others house, or who knows what.  Just had to be home by dinner.  Sometimes we'd pack a lunch and be gone by 9am, come home at 5pm or whatever.

 

But...I wasn't on a ship with 4000 other people, with lots of "not the natural world" to get in trouble with.

 

OTOH, when I was a teen kids spent all day "lost in the malls", which may be comparable.

 

I do suspect the standard or parenting has taken a general dip in the last couple of decades.

 

Or maybe that's what the elderly folks said about us young ruffians when I was 16...

 

Get off my lawn!

[cruisingguy007]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:29 AM, BoozinCroozin said:

The well behaved ones will feel punished because of the handful of timeout kids who are out of control.

This 

 

 

On 9/6/2022 at 1:29 AM, BoozinCroozin said:

My daughter is too afraid to get into trouble.

 

Kids for me but this

 

On 9/6/2022 at 1:29 AM, BoozinCroozin said:

It all comes down to how your kids behave,

 

And this. Operation arse-woopin would commence and they know it. They know there will be consequences and behave accordingly. 

 

Punishing all kids because some parents can't control their kids is unfair, ban the parents if anything, it's a parent problem, not a kid problem.  

[ALKID]

Oh what kid didn’t ever go around ringing the door bell and running.  At least let them have a little bit of fun and get in a little bit of mischief.  That’s part of being a kid after all.  

[ShakyBeef]

35 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

Punishing all kids because some parents can't control their kids is unfair, ban the parents if anything, it's a parent problem, not a kid problem.  

Are you implying that a 1:00 AM onboard curfew is punishing children?

[cruisingguy007]

1 minute ago, ShakyBeef said:

Are you implying that a 1:00 AM onboard curfew is punishing children?

 

Club 02 is open until 1:30, if they want to grab ice cream or pizza after then yes, it's punishment for the behavior of others. My kids are well behaved and routinely stay up (older ones) until this time and beyond on non-school nights at home so it's not out of the norm while on vacation. 

[ShakyBeef]

4 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Club 02 is open until 1:30, if they want to grab ice cream or pizza after then yes, it's punishment for the behavior of others. My kids are well behaved and routinely stay up (older ones) until this time and beyond on non-school nights at home so it's not out of the norm while on vacation. 

 

Huh.  All I have ever seen for Club O2 hours is:  Sea Days 12 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM - 12:30 AM;  Port Days 3 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM -12:30 AM.  But I guess you know better than I.  Either way, I think 1:00 AM is too late for any child to be wandering the ship without an adult chaperone.

 

[ALKID]

2 minutes ago, ShakyBeef said:

 

Huh.  All I have ever seen for Club O2 hours is:  Sea Days 12 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM - 12:30 AM;  Port Days 3 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM -12:30 AM.  But I guess you know better than I.  Either way, I think 1:00 AM is too late for any child to be wandering the ship without an adult chaperone.

 

I agree unless they are in some kind of pack, which then its fine if they are watching out for one another.

[cruisingguy007]

8 minutes ago, ShakyBeef said:

 

Huh.  All I have ever seen for Club O2 hours is:  Sea Days 12 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM - 12:30 AM;  Port Days 3 PM - 6 PM / 8:30 PM -12:30 AM.  But I guess you know better than I.  Either way, I think 1:00 AM is too late for any child to be wandering the ship without an adult chaperone.

 

 

That's great, choices are a good thing and one persons choice/opinion doesn't invalidate another persons choice/opinion.

 

From Carnival on Club 02: 

Sea Days 

• Supervised complimentary programming runs from 12:00pm-5:00pm and 8:30pm-1:00am. 

Port Days 

• Supervised complimentary programming runs from 4:00pm-6:00pm and 8:30pm-1:00am.

 

https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1067/~/club-o2-(teens-15-17-years)

Edited September 7, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[wemjam]

1 hour ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

For the record, I'm in my fifties.  (Ugh, I hate reminding myself of that.  Where did my thirties go?  I want them back!)

 

When I was 16/17 we'd go to the late movie showing that started at 9pm (ish), so we often didn't get home until close to midnight if the movie was a little more than two hours long.  So 1am seems like a good curfew for 16/17 year olds.

 

Under that age, curfew should probably be 11pm.

 

But, generating a sliding scale like that is annoying to implement.

 

 

When I was 9 years old or so, and through my tween years, my buddies and I would spend all day away from home, wandering the bush or playing at each others house, or who knows what.  Just had to be home by dinner.  Sometimes we'd pack a lunch and be gone by 9am, come home at 5pm or whatever.

 

But...I wasn't on a ship with 4000 other people, with lots of "not the natural world" to get in trouble with.

 

OTOH, when I was a teen kids spent all day "lost in the malls", which may be comparable.

 

I do suspect the standard or parenting has taken a general dip in the last couple of decades.

 

Or maybe that's what the elderly folks said about us young ruffians when I was 16...

 

Get off my lawn!

Right there with you, same age group.  Would go out after breakfast pop in for lunch and back out until the streetlights came on.

 

Small town upbringing when all the neighbors watched and kept an eye out for everyone skids.  Totally different times.  Difference is same kids, same neighborhood and 40 years!

 

Now a days there are far too many things that kids can get into, wrong people wrong place, and far too many things that can happen to them!  My concern with making my kids check in with me a LOT and checking in on them unannounced, was more about their safety then them misbehaving.

[cruisingguy007]

22 minutes ago, ALKID said:

I agree unless they are in some kind of pack, which then its fine if they are watching out for one another.

 

This is usually the case and I also make my kids stay together. They will grab some ice cream or pizza and can only hangout in public areas with staff/people around, usually near atrium or another busy area, but generally no later than 2am unless there is a large group, then maybe 2:30 or 3 if I am out/about also. I also check in frequently via the hub chat app. They are also taller than the average adult male/female so I'm less worried on the physical side of things. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[geckoaz]

Child rearing. "It doesnt get easier as they grow older..it only involves more people." Took my son and his college roommate for a cruise to celebrate his 21st birthday. Waited by the entry door of ship to make sure he got back on ship before departure time. Had the crew open his cabin to check on him. It was a cruise to remember. Now we avoid cruises when kids are not in school or spring breaks.  Take longer cruises. Good luck parents.

Edited September 7, 2022 by geckoaz
Clarity

[cruisingguy007]

On 9/2/2022 at 6:20 AM, mz-s said:

Nobody is going to take these words seriously until people start getting kicked off the ship at the next stop. When you're stuck in Nassau and have to find your own way home because your kids are heathens or you got caught with drugs in your suitcase, word will spread quickly that the wild west is gone.

 

The problem with this line of thinking is that the port countries don't want to be stuck with problematic people dumping problems that they then have to deal with (basically an international incident) and the cruise lines will have some explaining to do if they keep coming back missing passengers. It's not a good look and that is why it's avoided unless absolutely necessary. People have this idea that cruise lines can just dump passengers off all willy-nilly without a lot of blowback/paperwork and it just isn't so. Maybe if they sailed from their flagged ship countries maybe, sailing from the US with largely US passengers, not so much. What they can do is ban folks from future sailings and have a no-cruise lists like airlines do. The problem there is that there will be labels of racism or some kind of "isms" to deal with and that can be a PR nightmare trap as well. It's a bit more complicated than many realize.     

[ShakyBeef]

33 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

That's great, choices are a good thing and one persons choice/opinion doesn't invalidate another persons choice/opinion.

 

From Carnival on Club 02: 

Sea Days 

• Supervised complimentary programming runs from 12:00pm-5:00pm and 8:30pm-1:00am. 

Port Days 

• Supervised complimentary programming runs from 4:00pm-6:00pm and 8:30pm-1:00am.

 

https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1067/~/club-o2-(teens-15-17-years)

 

Interesting.  Thank you for the information.  However, I can't help but notice your quoted info direct from the source contradicts your previous attestation that Club O2 is open until 1:30.  I don't mean to nit pick, but...