fwman Posted September 24, 2022 #1 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Going on Harmony of the Seas and want to find out their blackjack rules. What is the table minimum for 3 to 2? I won't play 6 to 5 - it's a rip-off. Do they offer surrender? Number of decks used. 6 or 8? Do they hit on soft 17? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 24, 2022 #2 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Bad enough that I don't really even bother checking anymore. Don't quote me but I want to say it's all H17, no surrender, and only certain tables are 3:2 while others are 6:5. I'd also guess it's all 8-deck or automatic shufflers. Hopefully someone will give you a more confident answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George C Posted September 24, 2022 #3 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Definitely stands on all 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 24, 2022 #4 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, George C said: Definitely stands on all 17 Wow, a rule variation that favors the players? Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSeaDog1969 Posted September 25, 2022 #5 Share Posted September 25, 2022 8 hours ago, George C said: Definitely stands on all 17 Incorrect. All tables on Royal Caribbean hit soft 17. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Stealthdog Posted September 25, 2022 #6 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, OldSeaDog1969 said: Incorrect. All tables on Royal Caribbean hit soft 17. We can confirm this for the Symphony this week - blackjack was hit on soft 17. For the other question, Symphony had 1 deck tables and 8 deck tables. I assume Harmony is similar unless someone recently on has a different experience. Edited September 25, 2022 by Stealthdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar King Posted September 25, 2022 #7 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Since they don't pay double for 5 card charlie I don't play. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 25, 2022 #8 Share Posted September 25, 2022 12 hours ago, OldSeaDog1969 said: Incorrect. All tables on Royal Caribbean hit soft 17. That's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikeEagle Posted September 25, 2022 #9 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) I'm not a gambler person, the only game I know is BlackJack/21. Play it on the PC and Phone. On the ship do they have Black Jack on one of those machines instead at the table ? Went through Casino several times look at those machines couldn't figure it out if it can play blackjack or not. Thanks Edited September 25, 2022 by StrikeEagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rudeney Posted September 25, 2022 #10 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, StrikeEagle said: I'm not a gambler person, the only game I know is BlackJack/21. Play it on the PC and Phone. On the ship do they have Black Jack on one of those machines instead at the table ? Went through Casino several times look at those machines couldn't figure it out if it can play blackjack or not. Thanks In my experience, if you are a novice player, the Las Vegas dealers and even other players will help you, and it's not hard to learn how it's played and "perfect strategy". On ships, I find most of the dealers to be duds. Rarely do they interact with the players and they definitely don't help. Also, I've found that my fellow cruise ship passengers are much less friendly than players in Las Vegas. I really enjoy a lively game of Blackjack at a casino, even if I'm not winning, but I rarely find that on a cruise ship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRF Posted September 25, 2022 #11 Share Posted September 25, 2022 The shoe games are 8 deck. There may be a 2 deck hand game that pays 3 to 2, but the table minimum is typically $15. On the 6 to 5, they also rip you off if you get blackjack. The table minimum is $6. You can play $6 on the hand or $5 and one on the side game. If you play 6 and get blackjack, it should pay $7.20. They only pay $7. And yes, they hit a soft 17. No surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 25, 2022 #12 Share Posted September 25, 2022 No chance there's a DD game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyancho Posted September 26, 2022 #13 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Casino odds: Las Vegas = good Indian Casino = bad Cruise ship = ugly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aubreyc1988 Posted September 26, 2022 #14 Share Posted September 26, 2022 12 hours ago, rudeney said: In my experience, if you are a novice player, the Las Vegas dealers and even other players will help you, and it's not hard to learn how it's played and "perfect strategy". On ships, I find most of the dealers to be duds. Rarely do they interact with the players and they definitely don't help. Also, I've found that my fellow cruise ship passengers are much less friendly than players in Las Vegas. I really enjoy a lively game of Blackjack at a casino, even if I'm not winning, but I rarely find that on a cruise ship. I agree with all of this. Sometimes you can luck out and find a nice dealer, but it is rare on cruiseships. And most passengers playing blackjack on a cruiseship are HOSTILE to new players. They expect you to play perfectly because your actions will affect their bottom line...and let's be real, most new players are not sitting at the HL table, the players can relax a little. I actually like playing Roulette or 3 card poker because the atmosphere is just a little bit lighter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark290 Posted September 26, 2022 #15 Share Posted September 26, 2022 8 hours ago, aubreyc1988 said: I agree with all of this. Sometimes you can luck out and find a nice dealer, but it is rare on cruiseships. And most passengers playing blackjack on a cruiseship are HOSTILE to new players. They expect you to play perfectly because your actions will affect their bottom line...and let's be real, most new players are not sitting at the HL table, the players can relax a little. I actually like playing Roulette or 3 card poker because the atmosphere is just a little bit lighter. Your actions do not affect their bottom line. A 'wrong" move by a player will help you as many times as hurt you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 26, 2022 #16 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, mark290 said: Your actions do not affect their bottom line. A 'wrong" move by a player will help you as many times as hurt you. You are of course correct... but trying to explain to that to someone at the table was something I learned not to bother with early in my gambling days. It was rarely well-received in my experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rudeney Posted September 26, 2022 #17 Share Posted September 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, OCSC Mike said: You are of course correct... but trying to explain to that to someone at the table was something I learned not to bother with early in my gambling days. It was rarely well-received in my experience. Yep. I've had many other players admonish me for "screwing up" their hand. I do mostly play "perfect strategy", but sometimes I just feel a bit crazy and play on a whim. I was at a table in LV once and they had to remove a guy because he got so angry with another player who was just playing off the cuff. Ironically, the guy the removed was way down, and the "rule-breaker" was doing pretty well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aubreyc1988 Posted September 26, 2022 #18 Share Posted September 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, mark290 said: Your actions do not affect their bottom line. A 'wrong" move by a player will help you as many times as hurt you. Yeah but the players next to you will care a LOT more about a 1 wrong move that negatively affected them by a new player playing than 10 moves that new player did that helped them. In Vegas, if you were at a 5/10.00 table, the vibe is more chill I find but holy cow on a cruise ship, things be serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JessyCruises Posted September 26, 2022 #19 Share Posted September 26, 2022 23 hours ago, StrikeEagle said: I'm not a gambler person, the only game I know is BlackJack/21. Play it on the PC and Phone. On the ship do they have Black Jack on one of those machines instead at the table ? Went through Casino several times look at those machines couldn't figure it out if it can play blackjack or not. Thanks Some of the Game King machines have BlackJack but I am not a huge fan because there are certain things you cannot do (ie splits, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyank Posted September 27, 2022 #20 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) On 9/25/2022 at 7:39 PM, rudeney said: n my experience, if you are a novice player, the Las Vegas dealers and even other players will help you, and it's not hard to learn how it's played and "perfect strategy". On ships, I find most of the dealers to be duds. Rarely do they interact with the players and they definitely don't help. Also, I've found that my fellow cruise ship passengers are much less friendly than players in Las Vegas. I really enjoy a lively game of Blackjack at a casino, even if I'm not winning, but I rarely find that on a cruise ship. We've had exactly the opposite experience. Played in Vegas and absolutely hated it. We've played many times on cruises and with one exception have always found the dealers to be friendly. As for other players objecting to how we play, a quiet "mind your own business" or "play your own hand please" usually shuts down the complaints, if not then things get elevated to the pit boss. The exception to friendly dealers was on Rhapsody, the dealer was not paying attention, to busy chatting with people at other tables, after several mis-deals and complaints from players she was replaced. We've seen players who got nasty about how someone else was playing asked to leave the table on a couple different cruises. Edited September 27, 2022 by crazyank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRF Posted September 27, 2022 #21 Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 1:41 AM, aubreyc1988 said: And most passengers playing blackjack on a cruiseship are HOSTILE to new players. They expect you to play perfectly because your actions will affect their bottom line...and let's be real, most new players are not sitting at the HL table, the players can relax a little. THe funny thing is, other player's play does not affect your play. For each time you lose a hand due to poor play, you win a hand due to poor play. Each card dealt is a separate event and statistically not connected to the previous or next card. Good players know this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRF Posted September 27, 2022 #22 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I have found good dealers on board and not so good ones. The save for Vegas. I have played at tables with great fun players. And with not so fun ones. It is life in miniature. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OCSC Mike Posted September 27, 2022 #23 Share Posted September 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, SRF said: Each card dealt is a separate event and statistically not connected to the previous or next card. Your main point is correct, but previous cards most definitely affect future cards (just doesn't matter how they are played); this is the basis of card counting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leisuretraveler223 Posted September 27, 2022 #24 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The blackjack on board is a joke. Mostly 6:5 all HS17, none allow surrender. But the dealers are also not very good. They make a LOT of mistakes (some favor the player, some don't). So if you play, pay close attention. The worst part? When they close a table, the dealer picks up the shoe, full of cards and walks it to the cage. When the table reopens, someone brings the shoe back from the cage. Did any cards fall out? No idea! Never anywhere else will you ever see cards removed from sight and returned. NEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rudeney Posted September 27, 2022 #25 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, OCSC Mike said: Your main point is correct, but previous cards most definitely affect future cards (just doesn't matter how they are played); this is the basis of card counting. I think the reason why many players get angry at "wrong plays" is because they have this idea that some magical process has specifically ordered the cards so that the shoe/deck should play out a certain way. These are probably the same people who have a favorite team jersey in the closet at home that has never been washed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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