New behavior patterns on Viking Ocean since COVID?

[molymoo]

7 hours ago, sugarside said:

Regarding sitting with feet up in public places on board ship.

My problem is that my dr has advised that I should always sit with my feet elevated as I suffer from very badly swollen ankles and legs.Not a look I would choose to go for if I could avoid it.

Any suggestions? eg put a cushion on any surface first?,sit sideways on a couch?

No disrespect intended, but what do you do when you go to a restaurant?  How about on a bus for an excursion?  Do you ever go to a "traditional" theater?  I would suggest that you should do the same in any public place and put your feet up when you are in your stateroom.

[molymoo]

2 hours ago, TayanaLorna said:

I love them.  Gorgeous!  There is really no difference in these pants then the black gauze or silk ones that are considered dressy.  So whimsical or colorful makes them pj's?  When the teacher said students wore pj bottoms to school, i thought no, not pj's just comfy lounging type pants. 

 

There was a controversy about if or what type of leggins were appropriate.  There are short length, capri length and ankle length.  Ankle length can be very dressy with a tunic top.

 

Being a child of the rebellious 60's, I hold the belief that you are the same person no mattter what clothes you wear.  But we learn that there are often different ways to dress and act in certain situations whether social, religious or simply a stated dress code.

 

Viking has a dress code for the different restaurants and areas of the ship.  One can learn what it is on MVJ and it is even listed in every Viking Daily when on the ship.

 

We can argue whether or not these lovely pants meet the restaurant dress code or are they pj's.  However if someone wears them under a robe to breakfast, they are pj's.  Its the robe worn to breakfast in the WC that is inappropriate.  Robes are bedroom, bathroom, pool, locker room and spa wear not dining wear.

 

I have a pair of lovely, soft and comfy joggers that I plan to wear with a t-shirt on sea days when comfort is the key.  Some might consider them PJ's (although they were much more expensive than any PJ's I've ever had) but I figure that if I am showered, my hair is "coiffed" and I have make-up on ... who cares?

 

[Sunflower & The Scientist]

9 hours ago, sugarside said:

Regarding sitting with feet up in public places on board ship.

My problem is that my dr has advised that I should always sit with my feet elevated as I suffer from very badly swollen ankles and legs.Not a look I would choose to go for if I could avoid it.

Any suggestions? eg put a cushion on any surface first?,sit sideways on a couch?

I sit sideways on the couch with my shoe off the couch because no one wants to sit where someone's dirty shoe was. 

[KBs mum]

2 hours ago, molymoo said:

I have a pair of lovely, soft and comfy joggers that I plan to wear with a t-shirt on sea days when comfort is the key.  Some might consider them PJ's (although they were much more expensive than any PJ's I've ever had) but I figure that if I am showered, my hair is "coiffed" and I have make-up on ... who cares?

 

The difference is you and Liz Masterson have day wear that could be used as nightwear if required by circumstances, not nightwear worn in public by somebody who thinks it acceptable in ordinary circumstances 

Edited November 6, 2022 by KBs mum
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[Twitchly]

11 hours ago, sugarside said:

Regarding sitting with feet up in public places on board ship.

My problem is that my dr has advised that I should always sit with my feet elevated as I suffer from very badly swollen ankles and legs.Not a look I would choose to go for if I could avoid it.

Any suggestions? eg put a cushion on any surface first?,sit sideways on a couch?

On our cruise in September, I sprained my knee and had to keep it elevated as much as possible. (It also hurt greatly to bend it.) It’s not hard to do on the ship. There are plenty of loungers and chairs that have ottomans or footstools you can use. I also sat sideways on couches frequently, which are plentiful.
 

On the one occasion when we were sitting on chairs that had no foot stools but only low tables, I took off my shoes and put a pillow on the table and then put my leg on that. On those occasions, I made sure I didn’t put my foot on the table, just my calf.
 

Occasionally I put my leg up on an extra chair or along a banquette (without shoes) when dining at the World Cafe or Mamsen’s, but that felt too casual for the other restaurants so I just avoided them until I could bend my leg a bit. 

 

I imagine, though, you may have difficulty on buses.  The only time I was able to elevate my leg on a bus was the day I sprained it; the tour guide made sure I had two front seats to myself. After that, I sat with both feet on the floor, just like everyone else. 

[SWFLAOK]

23 hours ago, bookbabe said:

As an FYI, it is socially acceptable these days for teens to wear pj bottoms and a crop top to school, the movies, the mall…pretty much anywhere.  As a high school teacher, I’ve seen every fashion statement you can imagine and then some.  I’ve learned to focus on their behaviour and not their wardrobe.  Trying to be the Fashion Police is futile, frustrating and unrewarding. 

 

So maybe the pj-wearing buffet goers are simply copying their grandkids’ fashions…? 😉

 

In all seriousness, though, this thread is making DH and I a little nervous for our upcoming West Indies Explorer cruise.  I’m pretty sure our wardrobe choices won’t live up to others’ expectations.  Ah well…

We've seen teens in PJs sleeping on the floor in airports. And not jut at night, but waiting for their flights during the day. They're in the departure lounge,  where everyone is walking on the carpet, including pets having accidents. Sometimes, they have their faces on their back pack or other carry on, but we've often seen them with their face on the carpet. We always wonder why their parents didn't teach them not to do that. But maybe since it was tolerated in school, the teens considered it acceptable, and ignored what their parents told them. Maybe enforcing civilized behavior should be part of what their education in school requires. And if not, maybe no one under 21 should be allowed to travel without a parent or legally responsible guardian.

[Pushka]

16 hours ago, sugarside said:

Regarding sitting with feet up in public places on board ship.

My problem is that my dr has advised that I should always sit with my feet elevated as I suffer from very badly swollen ankles and legs.Not a look I would choose to go for if I could avoid it.

Any suggestions? eg put a cushion on any surface first?,sit sideways on a couch?

I suffer from badly swollen ankles. I would never sit with elevated legs on anything other than a stool. At night time I usually put a cushion under the end of the bed. I wouldn't expect anyone to see my feet raised unless I'm on a lounger. 

[millybess]

Has anybody seen the movie Stepford Wives?  This thread is starting to remind me of that movie.

[UWDawg]

3 hours ago, millybess said:

Has anybody seen the movie Stepford Wives?  This thread is starting to remind me of that movie.

Oh NO!!!  Now I'm worried that MessyBill might trade MillyBess for a new, conforming model, and whether the the new, "improved" MillyBess, with a re-wired brain, would be nearly as proficient at solving puzzles as the existing model.  If not, WWW@W wouldn't be nearly as much fun.  And if LindaS272, when she goes out in public, would rather not be wearing PJ's, let's hope she is wearing SOMETHING.  And if TayanaLorna would rather not wear her robe when Room Service arrives should we ponder what kind of bathing suits women wear on the beaches of PR?  And when we see Liz will we now all be wondering if she is wearing the latest retro-fashions from Europe or is that really loungewear?  And if I  take advantage of the infinity pool should I restricted my dining on the Aquavat Terrace unless I first change into some casual clothes or at least some loungewear?  Will this nightmare ever end?  Can't we all just learn to live with each other's flaws?  I'd consider watching the next episode of The Real Love Boat to find out how this saga continues, but since I don't have a Paramount+ subscription, I'm left hanging on the edge of my seat in suspense to see what other provocations await our Viking cruisers.  Maybe someone aboard can can relieve my anxieties by FaceTiming me during dinner so I can get a live feed as to what folks are wearing these days in the various dining venues.

[KBs mum]

Next up, door decorations and the rubber ducks😁

[LindaS272]

I’d like a robe in Liz’s harem pants pattern. That’ll keep’em guessing! 🙃

[Nidec]

On 11/5/2022 at 11:50 AM, hutch1994 said:

And the person in this picture whose feet are on that table, they look like they belong to a man.

With painted toenails and hairless legs? I very much doubt it!

Edited November 7, 2022 by Nidec

[millybess]

6 hours ago, UWDawg said:

Oh NO!!!  Now I'm worried that MessyBill might trade MillyBess for a new, conforming model, and whether the the new, "improved" MillyBess, with a re-wired brain, would be nearly as proficient at solving puzzles as the existing model.  If not, WWW@W wouldn't be nearly as much fun.

I learned from the best 😉 and it's a fun and chummy crowd over there.

[millybess]

7 hours ago, UWDawg said:

Will this nightmare ever end?  Can't we all just learn to live with each other's flaws?

Well said, as usual Dawg.  Thanks!

[KBs mum]

1 hour ago, Nidec said:

With painted toenails and hairless legs? I very much doubt it!

Take a walk on the wild side😏

[kirtihk]

On 11/3/2022 at 6:01 PM, katlew said:

I think this is way beyond just behavior on Viking. You hear about it everywhere, people acting up on flights, treating those in the service industry poorly, etc... We seem to have forgotten how to act in public, how to be patient, and how not to think only of ourselves. 

flights are different - a flight "attendant" is a person now who just attends the flight, and a passenger... well, it is a person now who just passes through (as if not actually flying).  And, if one is not totally silent with eyes "wide" shot, such a person (by default) is presumed an unruly criminal.

[Liz Masterson]

5 hours ago, LindaS272 said:

I’d like a robe in Liz’s harem pants pattern. That’ll keep’em guessing! 🙃

I've actually seen pants similar to mine in a catalog with matching robe!

 

🙂 I actually think my pants are quite a find... they are not exactly the same as the ones posted. Perfect for packing in your carry on, since paired with a simple shirt and nice shoes and probably a necklace you look very nice for dinner! (After all no shirt, no shoes, no service...right?)😆

[molymoo]

1 hour ago, Liz Masterson said:

I've actually seen pants similar to mine in a catalog with matching robe!

 

🙂 I actually think my pants are quite a find... they are not exactly the same as the ones posted. Perfect for packing in your carry on, since paired with a simple shirt and nice shoes and probably a necklace you look very nice for dinner! (After all no shirt, no shoes, no service...right?)😆

As long as they are NOT JEANS!!!!! 😆

[Nidec]

12 hours ago, molymoo said:

As long as they are NOT JEANS!!!!! 😆

I have to hold my hand up to wearing jeans to all meals on my last Viking trip. I had packed a pair of navy blue chinos to wear at meals but when I unpacked my suitcase I had taken chino shorts instead of full length trousers by mistake. I explained this to the Viking restaurant manager and they accepted my jeans (which were a very expensive, brand new pair so at least looked fairly smart)

I have to add, I would have bought a pair of chinos on board but there were none available, very disappointed with the clothing choice on Viking Ocean ship tbh

Edited November 8, 2022 by Nidec
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[Liz Masterson]

2 hours ago, Nidec said:

I have to add, I would have bought a pair of chinos on board but there were none available, very disappointed with the clothing choice on Viking Ocean ship tbh

I suspect if Viking stocked a basic pair of men’s pants, even just one color, in a variety of popular sizes they might turn a profit. 
 

[Nidec]

1 hour ago, Liz Masterson said:

I suspect if Viking stocked a basic pair of men’s pants, even just one color, in a variety of popular sizes they might turn a profit. 
 

Agree. we had some onboard credit which we struggled to spend. No swimwear, no polo or tee shirts. There were Viking jackets (not waterproof!) and zip-up cardigans, slippers, and very little else clothes-wise. We ended up buying bathrobes and whisky just to use up the OBC.

[longterm]

On 11/6/2022 at 9:06 AM, TayanaLorna said:

We had a missed connection, an unexpected overnight and then our luggage was delayed on our very first Viking cruise.  We had some extra clothes in carry on but my DH did not have a collared shirt.  We had a reservation in the Chefs Table our first night on board so we went to Guest Services to see if it was okay for my DH to wear a nice long sleeved T-shirt.  No was the answer but they lent him 2 collared shirts and gave us free expedited laundry service.  Without this service we would have gone to the WC for dinner and had room service breakfast while washing our clothes in the self service launderette.  

I had a different experience; we arrived on board ship after flying overseas, had reservations that night at the Chef's Table at 6pm, but our luggage had yet to arrive in our stateroom. I'd flown in a t-shirt and jeans, so that's all the clothes I had at that point; we went to Chef's Table, where I explained that my luggage hadn't arrived yet. The maitre'd graciously led us to our table, and we had dinner. No problem at all.

The days of having to wear a dinner jacket into most restaurants are long gone; having dress requirements in the 2 specialty restaurants on Viking ships are a throwback to the old Queen Mary days, when tuxes were common attire at dinner. Having worn tuxes in my line of work hundreds of times (I toured with various recording artists and we played Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe, Reno, and Atlantic City a dozen weeks or more each year, and the band wore tuxes in casino gigs), it certainly wasn't something I enjoyed, just something I was required to wear.

 

I understand the restriction against shorts, flip-flops, and torn jeans, but I appreciated that Viking understood my predicament and made an exception in my case. 

[Nippy Sweetie]

Re spending OBC it's not just Viking which could be better stocked. On recent Azamara cruise we had 50 dollars OBC left. We had to spend it on soap - at 25 dollars a bar! 

[longterm]

3 minutes ago, Nippy Sweetie said:

Re spending OBC it's not just Viking which could be better stocked. On recent Azamara cruise we had 50 dollars OBC left. We had to spend it on soap - at 25 dollars a bar! 

A couple of those giant Toblerone bars would probably eat up a good part of that $50... not that I've ever gone in the gift shop and bought one... okay, maybe just once.

[Heidi13]

48 minutes ago, longterm said:

 having dress requirements in the 2 specialty restaurants on Viking ships are a throwback to the old Queen Mary days, when tuxes were common attire at dinner.

 

I'm having difficulty understanding the correlation between Viking's current "Smart Casual" attire and the formal attire required on the old liners and cruise ships.

 

Formal attire wasn't a Cunard standard, as it was also a requirement on all P&O and British India ships, and it continued long after the Queen Mary retired in 1967. When I left P&O in the 1980's, on all except the first & last nights, evening attire was a tux or dark suit for gentlemen and gowns or long dresses for ladies. This wasn't a suggestion, it was a requirement. In addition, the officers were all dressed in Mess Kit from 18:00, if on decks and not working. Dinner was also traditional seating, with the dinner bells sounded throughout the pax accommodation.

 

Every cruise line has "Rig of the Day" standards, but the current Viking standard is certainly not a throwback to the formal attire and dinner experience I remember from the 1970's & 80's. If anything, Viking is the polar opposite of what I experienced when working on the ships.