Incidents on board and security

[Yorkypete]

31 minutes ago, majortom10 said:

So why don't these problems happen on Princess when they have sea days and entertainment choice not much different than ,P&O. Think it is only too easy to put the blame solely on drinks packages. If it was drinks packages to blame it would be happening on other ships.

So drunks in the area I mentioned is caused by....what?

 

[Megabear2]

23 minutes ago, Yorkypete said:

So drunks in the area I mentioned is caused by....what?

 

The British ?

[emam]

A bit off topic. A post from the other side. A security team member from Britannia has been lost in the Nepal plane crash while on her way home for vacation.  

[terrierjohn]

8 hours ago, Yorkypete said:

So drunks in the area I mentioned is caused by....what?

 

 

7 hours ago, Megabear2 said:

The British ?

But the Brits are always in the majority on Princess cruises out of Southampton, and I doubt there is a major difference between the two groups.

[showingdiva]

26 minutes ago, emam said:

A bit off topic. A post from the other side. A security team member from Britannia has been lost in the Nepal plane crash while on her way home for vacation.  

 

How sad.   Thoughts with her family and friends and all who have lost loved ones in this tragedy.

[paulatsea]

44 minutes ago, emam said:

A bit off topic. A post from the other side. A security team member from Britannia has been lost in the Nepal plane crash while on her way home for vacation.  

That’s really sad 

[Gettingwarmer]

44 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

 

But the Brits are always in the majority on Princess cruises out of Southampton, and I doubt there is a major difference between the two groups.

The Princess drinks package etc is much more reasonable deal than P&O and they don’t have this trouble. As I mentioned before I don’t think the trouble is due to a drink package as prices are reasonable on P&O, more to the price of the cabins. Especially at the later dates nearer the cruise. 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Gettingwarmer

[majortom10]

9 hours ago, Yorkypete said:

So drunks in the area I mentioned is caused by....what?

 

Being drun

k wherever they are on a cruise, on holiday or at home because that is their lifestyle and would be drunk wherever they are. Cruised with P&O for over 23 years and seen people drunk onboard way before drinks packages were introduced.

 

[pennib]

Selling cabins at rock bottom prices just before the cruise seems to attract a certain type of person. It was the same on Ventura for the. Christmas  cruise in 2008 after the financial crash. There were a lot of scalliwags  who paid next to nothing  and there were fights galore and people thrown off the ship in St Vincent on a Sunday and left to find their own way home. Don’t know if drinks packages were done then but either way these people were able to afford the bar prices as they had paid next to nothing for the trip. Way of the world I’m afraid. 

[Megabear2]

Perception plays a lot to do with choice.  Princess is regularly shown on television in documentaries and other programmes and anyone watching would get the impression it was fairly upmarket with a happy but not rowdy clientele.  Shows such as the Suan Calman and Jane McDonald cement that view.  Not for the party set.

 

Remember when the cruise programmes moved to look at Virgin Voyages? These boards were full of comments that there's no way we'll be sailing on that and yet the people who do sail on the ships seem very happy with the product so it is right in the correct marketplace.

 

As a country we have developed an attitude to turn a blind eye to misbehaviour.  Anyone commenting on something that they consider wrong is ridiculed or told they are woke.  We are a nation who have for many years excused some pretty abysmal behaviour associated with drinking.  The drunken shenanigans across Europe have for many years been ignored or dismissed by many as just high spirits. They have not been so. They have been disrespectful, rude and in a lot of cases dangerous.  

 

The facts and figures speak for themselves, our relationship with alcohol is in no way a good one.  

 

If you become the cheap end of any market you are unfortunately risking introducing this "element". It's not the drinks package that's causing the problem, it's the people.

[kalos]

Reading the above I think it's fair to say it's not just P&O or a British problem .

What I would like to see is all cruise lines working together to stamp this 

behaviour out and if your banned from one fleet , then from all others .

This guy makes some sense with what's happening.

 

[Snow Hill]

15 hours ago, Yorkypete said:

I have to say that on our Iona cruise on Jan 2nd the casino was quite packed most nights with people who were raucous and the worse for wear. One night I was at the roulette wheel with my wife and one drunkard kept saying 'come and sit down love' to her whilst another said 'dont worry he is just a cruise playboy' The said person, whom we ignored  then left leaving two friends there. As I was playing one approached my wife who was behind me and said 'I want to say something'. She just replied ' stand back and keep your distance'. I then turned round and he went white and walked away. This is behaviour that starts a fight as I feel that would have happened if I had said anything as he had two drunken pals with him. We did not report this but I for one, will not be cruising P&O unless security is tightened up and the drinking is cut down.

Time P&O and other cruise lines got tough with persistent & obnoxious drunks as described, give them a warning the first time, next time dump them on the dockside at next port to find their own way home. 

 

A clause in the booking conditions to say that any unacceptable behaviour will not be tolerated and if committed your party would likely to be offloaded at the next available port to find their own way home. 
 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Snow Hill

[zap99]

6 minutes ago, pennib said:

Selling cabins at rock bottom prices just before the cruise seems to attract a certain type of person. It was the same on Ventura for the. Christmas  cruise in 2008 after the financial crash. There were a lot of scalliwags  who paid next to nothing  and there were fights galore and people thrown off the ship in St Vincent on a Sunday and left to find their own way home. Don’t know if drinks packages were done then but either way these people were able to afford the bar prices as they had paid next to nothing for the trip. Way of the world I’m afraid. 

Is it only ' A certain type of person ' who drinks to excess.  P&O didn't have drinks Packages in 2008, but did have wine packages. Those didn't include blue nun, so probably weren't purchased by ' A certain type of person '.🤔

[Selbourne]

9 minutes ago, Megabear2 said:

If you become the cheap end of any market you are unfortunately risking introducing this "element". It's not the drinks package that's causing the problem, it's the people.

You’ve hit the nail on the head. As I said in a previous post, if the problems were either the drinks package or Brits (or both), the most rowdy and drunken cruise line would be Saga!
 

P&O have made a conscious decision to reposition the brand to open it up to a wider audience. I know perfectly respectable people, who never get drunk, who now cruise with them but couldn’t afford to in the past. However, with that positive comes a negative, as it will also now also attract the ‘element’ that you describe. 

[cruising.mark.uk]

Oh, I was trying to get on to Cruise Critic, but I seem to have been logged on to the comments section of Mail Online by mistake.  I look forward to reading the well-balanced, informed, pragmatic and razor sharp intellectual analysis of this important issue.

[kalos]

10 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Is it only ' A certain type of person ' who drinks to excess.  P&O didn't have drinks Packages in 2008, but did have wine packages. Those didn't include blue nun, so probably weren't purchased by ' A certain type of person '.🤔

 

Do we know anyone who has ever drank to excess on Blue Nun ?

That really would be  ' A certain type of person"🤔

[Pine Man]

13 minutes ago, kalos said:

Do we know anyone who has ever drank to excess on Blue Nun

One glass is excessive!!

[zap99]

18 minutes ago, cruising.mark.uk said:

Oh, I was trying to get on to Cruise Critic, but I seem to have been logged on to the comments section of Mail Online by mistake.  I look forward to reading the well-balanced, informed, pragmatic and razor sharp intellectual analysis of this important issue.

I too thought I had drifted into some parallel universe. I can only remember seeing one drunk on a ship. A young American on an NCL ship. The drink of choice seemed to be a white zin from one buck Chuck. Apparently that is the ' new ' blue nun.

[Megabear2]

6 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I too thought I had drifted into some parallel universe. I can only remember seeing one drunk on a ship. A young American on an NCL ship. The drink of choice seemed to be a white zin from one buck Chuck. Apparently that is the ' new ' blue nun.

This thread had started to descend down the list but suddenly has reappeared for discussion.  This is sadly because the next batch of cruises have finished and more passengers have observations and comments to make about the behaviour of some of their fellow passengers.  That this has happened speaks volumes.  Anti social behaviour is becoming a concern. Not really something we should be proud of or indeed bury our heads in the sand about.

 

For those who have experienced the problem be it on P&O or any other line it's clearly not been a laughing matter and has impacted their trip.  Very sad we can ridicule and joke about it.

[zap99]

8 minutes ago, Megabear2 said:

This thread had started to descend down the list but suddenly has reappeared for discussion.  This is sadly because the next batch of cruises have finished and more passengers have observations and comments to make about the behaviour of some of their fellow passengers.  That this has happened speaks volumes.  Anti social behaviour is becoming a concern. Not really something we should be proud of or indeed bury our heads in the sand about.

 

For those who have experienced the problem be it on P&O or any other line it's clearly not been a laughing matter and has impacted their trip.  Very sad we can ridicule and joke about it.

Once it descends from a couple of unpleasant incidents into a blame all ' A certain type of person'  due to cheap prices and drinks packages thread it loses credibility.

Edited January 17, 2023 by zap99

[terrierjohn]

2 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Once it depends from a couple of unpleasant incidents into a blame all ' A certain type of person'  due to cheap prices and drinks packages thread it loses credibility.

Possibly, but do you have a believable alternative explanation for the increase in this sort of behaviour, that we could maybe discuss, and perhaps ridicule?

[Megabear2]

Just now, zap99 said:

Once it depends from a couple of unpleasant incidents into a blame all ' A certain type of person'  due to cheap prices and drinks packages thread it loses credibility.

I certainly never mentioned a certain type of person and would hope that reading my posts back that isn't how I'm perceived.

 

Having spoken originally from my own personal experience I opened the thread to see if my experience/observation was an unfortunate one off.  I'm as surprised as the next man how many others are coming forward with similar experiences in recent time, clearly not across the board but pretty much on all the "family" ships.  Those ships have a lot in common - mixed age groups, new clients, very low sale prices etc.

 

 

[kalos]

Thinking about this problem away from ships for a moment reminds me of a guy i know.

He took redundancy from his job and bought a pub that struggled and he came up with 

the idea "£10 and sup what you want ." This really took off and was a success bringing 

punters in from all walks of life with very little problems .

Now he went on to buy adjoining buildings out and became big .

With being big came bigger problems ,drunken fights , bouncers for crowd control .

People getting barred were those "type of people" from well to do backgrounds and the 

not so well to do back grounds .

The problems started when he went bigger and a party pub .

Going back to the ships most (but not all) seem to be on the bigger ships and party style .

Maybe that explains why sleepy old Saga and ships like Arcadia seem to dodge these 

problems . Bigger the ship, bigger the crowd , throw in a cheap price more chance of a 

problem. Nowt to do with if your rich or poor, young or old , it's how you are brought up. 

[zap99]

3 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

Possibly, but do you have a believable alternative explanation for the increase in this sort of behaviour, that we could maybe discuss, and perhaps ridicule?

I don't categorise folk by their ' type '. What evidence is there that these 2 incidents were caused by folk purchasing and abusing drunks packages. ? None asfar as I can see. Is there an increase in ' this sort of behaviour '. Is 2 an increase? 

[zap99]

8 minutes ago, Megabear2 said:

I certainly never mentioned a certain type of person and would hope that reading my posts back that isn't how I'm perceived.

 

Having spoken originally from my own personal experience I opened the thread to see if my experience/observation was an unfortunate one off.  I'm as surprised as the next man how many others are coming forward with similar experiences in recent time, clearly not across the board but pretty much on all the "family" ships.  Those ships have a lot in common - mixed age groups, new clients, very low sale prices etc.

 

 

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