How do people afford $20,000 suites?

[HBE4]

35 minutes ago, PompeySailor said:

Did you tip the person that made your 🍿 

I always make sure to have a few dollar bills for such occasion 

 

Let’s not turn this into a tipping thread, 

I wonder if people that book $20k suites pay gratuities up front.

 

do you tip the person that installs your carpet ?

 

Proof of @Biker19 theorem that every thread can eventually turn into a tipping thread.😄

[A&L_Ont]

9 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

I thought for sure some one would have posted a bank statement by now.🤣🤣

 

I could use this intel, as we are headed to Vegas today.  

 

I wonder how people can afford going to Vegas multiple times a year, stay in a high level suites and gamble. We won't be gambling. 

 

9 hours ago, cruisegirl1 said:

No.  If we are talking about the same thing, at first I thought it was sand dunes.

 

I wonder if I will see sand dunes in Vegas?  There is the Grand Canyon though.😂

Edited April 5, 2023 by A&L_Ont

[Ret MP]

15 hours ago, topnole said:

Any benefits that aren’t fleet wide are clearly noted on the sheet you added here. And what does that have to do with your original premise/questions.    The footnote clearly states it so I was merely asking about benefits where they list them as fleet wide (but they aren’t) No, that wasn't you original premise/questions.  I’m not aware of any where they don’t clearly clarify this in the sheet provided. It's clear that what I mentioned IS part of the C&A Member Benefits, just look at the Member benefits.  Didn’t think I needed to clarify what is clearly listed in the sheet you provide and obviously they can’t give CK benefits on a ship without a CK.  Is Pinnicle a C&A tier/status?  Yes.  Does the sheet show that?  Yes.  
 

So, I’m not obfuscating anything You sure are!  You wont admit that CK is a C&A Member Benefit.  If you are a member of the C&A AND  have the C&A tier/status of Pinnicle, you can go to the CK .  I was trying to help you understand something in case you didn’t know it.  If that bothers and makes you want to be abrasive with me, that says more about you than me and I’m not going to be rude or condescending like you.  I’m surely not following why you are being rude, but we are all entitled to do as we please.  Good luck with your letter.  

It is you that is not understand the simplicity of YOUR original premise/questions and the answer that I provided.  Simple question, simple answer.  Nothing more, nothing less.  But, YOU wanted to debate/argue/whatever. 

 

The above was done before I said I was done but I didn't realize I didn't hit the Submit Reply until just now.  

 

 

The original post of yours that I was responding to was a stand-alone post.  It wasn't taken out of context because there was no context other than saying what it said, it didn't quote anybody or anything.  I was by its self and I responded to it with "FACT ".  You accuse me of wanting to argue a lot and using Obfuscation a lot.  Well, I call 'em as I see 'em.  And I provided an answer to a question(s) and you decided to argue about that.  

 

Okay, I AM DONE NOW!

 

 

[firefly333]

I could afford $20k. That being said like most I wouldnt spend that much. I wouldnt enjoy the cruise paying that much. I'd be a lot more picky about everything. 

[orville99]

9 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I could afford $20k. That being said like most I wouldnt spend that much. I wouldnt enjoy the cruise paying that much. I'd be a lot more picky about everything. 

We have yet to be on any cruise that is worth $20,000, and that goes back all the way to our first cruise in 1981. When you can do 4 cruises a year in a GS for about the same total price, spending that much on just one cruise doesn't make sense to us.

Edited April 5, 2023 by orville99

[topnole]

39 minutes ago, orville99 said:

We have yet to be on any cruise that is worth $20,000, and that goes back all the way to our first cruise in 1981. When you can do 4 cruises a year in a GS for about the same total price, spending that much on just one cruise doesn't make sense to us.

And I think this is what is wrong with the entire thread.  It is framed as if suites cost a fortune.  A few are 20k or more, but that is the exception and not the rule.  As you are saying, most folks staying in suites aren’t paying near that much for suites.  There are plenty of very wealthy people that wouldn’t sneeze at 20k+ for a  week long cruise.   Relatively speaking, Royal has very few cabins that cost that much so the math on this is easy.  The folks staying in these cabin are more than likely very wealthy.  Good for them and case closed.  Most folks staying in suites probably make a very good living and want a nice cabin or are retired with plenty of resources to enjoy their hard earned retirement.  Again, case closed.  
 

If any one wants to be shocked at excess, go to Vegas and look at the number of folks playing the tables.  The minimums at most tables in a higher end resort are $100+ per hand at night.  And there are so many hotels like that.  The tables are packed with folks betting $100 or more per hand and we all know that means you can easily lose thousands in a very short time period when the house gets hit.  And these are not the tables or limits where the high rollers play.  

[grandgeezer]

3 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

 

I could use this intel, as we are headed to Vegas today.  

 

I wonder how people can afford going to Vegas multiple times a year, stay in a high level suites and gamble. We won't be gambling. 

 

 

I wonder if I will see sand dunes in Vegas?  There is the Grand Canyon though.😂

The west rim of the Grand Canyon is about 130 miles from Las Vegas, in Arizona. Have to have pretty good eyes to see it.😳

[A&L_Ont]

12 minutes ago, grandgeezer said:

The west rim of the Grand Canyon is about 130 miles from Las Vegas, in Arizona. Have to have pretty good eyes to see it.😳

The Grand Canyon in my usage was a euphemism. 😉🤪

[jencruzin]

As a teen:

I'd be jealous of people who had their own apartment.

As a young adult:

I was jealous of people that owned homes, while I could only afford to rent.

As an older adult:
I'm angry with lazy paupers who live off the government dole, draw money from social security and welfare, but are in their 30's, claiming disabilities from their bad health habits, like overeating, smoking, drugs - yet they can still afford to pull off $20k for a cruise.

[Tatka]

2 hours ago, topnole said:

If any one wants to be shocked at excess, go to Vegas and look at the number of folks playing the tables.  The minimums at most tables in a higher end resort are $100+ per hand at night.  And there are so many hotels like that.  The tables are packed with folks betting $100 or more per hand and we all know that means you can easily lose thousands in a very short time period when the house gets hit.  And these are not the tables or limits where the high rollers play.  

 

 This is not a good indicator. My husband attends land casinos from time to time. He mostly plays $100 Blackjack tables ... not because we are rich. Most people who play these tables are playing smart. They won't take cards against dealer's 6 and break the table.

 Playing tables like these you have higher chances to win even though odds are always better for casino, blackjacks and craps (?) have the highest odds.

 

 Of course long game against casino never works anyway. Do not do it.  🙂

Edited April 5, 2023 by Tatka

[Tatka]

3 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I could afford $20k. That being said like most I wouldnt spend that much. I wouldnt enjoy the cruise paying that much. I'd be a lot more picky about everything. 

 

 I would enjoy. I enjoy absolute majority of cruises. It just won't be $20K enjoyment.

 Maybe I am overestimating $20K ? 🙂

[HBE4]

5 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

I wonder how people can afford going to Vegas multiple times a year, stay in a high level suites and gamble. We won't be gambling.

 

Should you decide to gamble &win $20,000, would you book a suite on a one week cruise?😉

 

1 hour ago, grandgeezer said:

The west rim of the Grand Canyon is about 130 miles from Las Vegas, in Arizona. Have to have pretty good eyes to see it.😳

 

I've rented a car & drove to the Grand Canyon from Vegas as a day trip. A very long day trip but it's doable.

[HBE4]

In all fairness to the OP, while the title mentions a $20,000 suite, post #1 puts the price range in the $15,000-$20,000 range.

 

Just wondering if at $15,000 if people would change their minds? Just a simple yay or nay, no need to delve into the nitty gritty details of HOW or WHY.😉

Edited April 5, 2023 by HBE4

[firefly333]

5 minutes ago, Tatka said:

 

 I would enjoy. I enjoy absolute majority of cruises. It just won't be $20K enjoyment.

 Maybe I am overestimating $20K ? 🙂

I'm cheap I'm sure, but to me $20k is a lot to spend on a cruise I could spend less than $2k on. I also dont like to be fussed over. I would not like a genie expecting me to come up with things to do. I've done a JS but no higher. No appeal except the extra loyalty pt. 

[PompeySailor]

9 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

In all fairness to the OP, while the title mentions a $20,000 suite, post #1 puts the price range ain the $15,000-$20,000 range.

 

Just wondering if at $15,000 if people would change their minds? Just a simple yay or nay, no need to delve into the nitty gritty details of HOW or WHY.😉

I really wanted to justify the Nitty Gritty for a family of 4 for $14k in Star Class

 

And if people did the math for wifi drinks and dining that is included

There is your formula as to why people book $15-$20k Suites

Edited April 5, 2023 by PompeySailor

[Tatka]

6 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'm cheap I'm sure, but to me $20k is a lot to spend on a cruise I could spend less than $2k on. I also dont like to be fussed over. I would not like a genie expecting me to come up with things to do. I've done a JS but no higher. No appeal except the extra loyalty pt. 

 

     Agree with you on all counts! Except we never booked suites. Whole ship for us is a one large suite! This is why we are on the ship. Music, shows, nice Solarium, gym, promenade (inside and outside if available). We are suburbanites (not buy our choice originally) and we enjoy somewhat active life on cruises. We don't like extreme crowds, but we find nice spaces.

 

I won't be comfortable with a genie, butler etc... My friends were upgraded to suite like this and experienced similar.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Tatka

[A&L_Ont]

14 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

I've rented a car & drove to the Grand Canyon from Vegas as a day trip. A very long day trip but it's doable.

🚁💨😀

[Ret MP]

3 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'm cheap I'm sure, but to me $20k is a lot to spend on a cruise I could spend less than $2k on. I also dont like to be fussed over. I would not like a genie expecting me to come up with things to do. I've done a JS but no higher. No appeal except the extra loyalty pt. 

To each, their own and I'm not suggesting anything else.  

 

But, as far as the Genie is concerned, and this is my experience with several Star Class cruises, the Genie doesn't hoover/fuss over you.  Stop by and ask how're things going?  Yes, for sure.  Also, telling the Genie what to do is a very easy thing.  You just tell him/her, through the pre-cruise communications (email) with him/her or on the very first day of the cruise and he/she does up a schedule based on your desires.  It just takes the hit/miss of things.  You have a schedule and don't have to worry about checking the "schedule of events/venues".  It's a minor thing but it makes it nice.  They will also escort you/your party (IF YOU WANT) to certain activities/venues.  

[HBE4]

2 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

🚁💨😀

 

The rental was a Mustang convertible. It had the wimpy motor (V-6) but getting there & back was still half the fun. 🙂

[topnole]

38 minutes ago, Tatka said:

 

 This is not a good indicator. My husband attends land casinos from time to time. He mostly plays $100 Blackjack tables ... not because we are rich. Most people who play these tables are playing smart. They won't take cards against dealer's 6 and break the table.

 Playing tables like these you have higher chances to win even though odds are always better for casino, blackjacks and craps (?) have the highest odds.

 

 Of course long game against casino never works anyway. Do not do it.  🙂

I’m not sure the last time you all have been to Vegas, but Ive been many times including recently, and the rules for

$100 tables are not any better than lower limit tables (at the big resorts) so the odds of winning are no better.  
 

I know all the correct decisions given the rules and the number of decks in a shoe, but what other folks do doesn’t matter statistically unless you are playing a single deck type of game and counting the high and low cards left.  In an 8 deck shoe, statistically it is a random draw as to whether the bad player would help or hurt the table when making a statistically poor decision.  Just as many times their dumb move will help the table as it will hurt the table.  
 

While I don’t like playing tables with folks who don’t know the odds, I also acknowledge in the long run it doesn’t matter or effect whether the house wins more or less.  What makes the difference statistically is the rules they set up (on things like splitting, doubling down, dealer hitting on soft 17s, etc.).  

 

Regardless, anyone betting $100 a hand or more has had nights where they lose thousands or they don’t play with much money or for very long.  In the long run they will lose at least $200 every hundred hands (assuming 49/51 with the most ideal table rules which isn’t the case in the big Vegas Resort casinos) and the player makes every correct decision which is rare as all the rules are hard to remember or follow if you have gut feelings.  The reality is the odds are more like 47/53 or worse given the rules on splitting etc. that is common in the big casinos.  That means at least a 600 loss every hundred hands in the long run.  
 

Sure some people win, but as you state, on average they lose.  And the bigger the bets the more they lose on average over a set number of hands.  The amount of folks playing $100+ a hand (and that is minimum so most go way more as they vary bets in the ebb and flow) to me is more surprising than folks spending 20k on a suite for a weeks vacation.   

[topnole]

1 hour ago, jencruzin said:

As a teen:

I'd be jealous of people who had their own apartment.

As a young adult:

I was jealous of people that owned homes, while I could only afford to rent.

As an older adult:
I'm angry with lazy paupers who live off the government dole, draw money from social security and welfare, but are in their 30's, claiming disabilities from their bad health habits, like overeating, smoking, drugs - yet they can still afford to pull off $20k for a cruise.

I’ve met a few folks cruising who most definitely spent 20k or more on their cabin.   However, after getting to know them, they were all delightful people and all had amazing stories of success in their lives (and earned everything they have).  I have never once met anyone who fits the description you mentioned.  Is this really something you know of are are you joking?

[grandgeezer]

3 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

The Grand Canyon in my usage was a euphemism. 😉🤪

This isn’t a euphemism, look up the word and try again.

[ldubs]

1 hour ago, topnole said:

I’m not sure the last time you all have been to Vegas, but Ive been many times including recently, and the rules for

$100 tables are not any better than lower limit tables (at the big resorts) so the odds of winning are no better.  

 

 I don't think it was that the odds are different. It was that people at those tables play smarter.  

[gingerpeaches]

2 hours ago, Ret MP said:

They will also escort you/your party (IF YOU WANT) to certain activities/venues.  

When Symphony was launched there was a "documentary" on here in the UK about it, and they were profiling this family staying in one of the loft suites. The genie went to the suite, picked up one of the parents and little girl, and escorted them to the carousel on the Boardwalk. Then when the little girl was finished on the carousel, the genie escorted them back up to their suite. I get that it was probably for TV, but I thought it was weird and kind of creepy. Then again, there are most likely people out there who would like to have a total stranger leading them from A to B. "I'm paying 20K for this suite, so this person is going to escort me everywhere." 🙄

Edited April 5, 2023 by gingerpeaches

[Ret MP]

9 minutes ago, gingerpeaches said:

When Symphony was launched there was a "documentary" on here in the UK about it, and they were profiling this family staying in one of the loft suites. The genie went to the suite, picked up one of the parents and little girl, and escorted them to the carousel on the Boardwalk. Then when the little girl was finished on the carousel, the genie escorted them back up to their suite. I get that it was probably for TV, but I thought it was weird and kind of creepy. Then again, there are most likely people out there who would like to have a total stranger leading them from A to B. "I'm paying 20K for this suite, so this person is going to escort me everywhere." 🙄

Escorting you to get priority/reserved seating or off the ship at ports of call so you don't have to wait in the long line to get into the venue or off the ship.  Escorting you to the specialty restaurant to see that the venue has prepared for your arrival.  It's not like they are holding your hand, lining you up in a single file like in kindergarten to go to the cafeteria.  

 

And far from a perfect stranger.  The Genie isn't just any old crew member that was told to be a Genie today.  They have been vetted for a long time, training for a long time and you have a lot of resources to check out a Genie.  You see it all the time on these Social Media sites.  People asking how was Marla, Raul, ....... whomever.  I've communicated with my upcoming Genie for up to a month prior to my sailing.  I've got a good feeling of what kind of person the Genie is and did my best to check out his/her reputation.  I've even got an email address for a Genie that we had once and I would email her to get a feeling of the upcoming Genie if I had young ones.  The Genie service is a small community.

 

Question, if you've had kids in a daycare center, did/do you have control over who watched your kids every minute of the day?  If not, which is the probability, and you didn't/don't like not having that control, you have the option of taking the child(ren) to another daycare.  You basically have the same option with the Genie, if you don't trust him/her, don't let him/her take your kids anywhere.  By the time I get on the ship if I was still the parent of a young one, I have already checked him/her out fairly well and I'd definitely have a conversation with him/her to get to know him/her better. 

 

But, you've got to do what you feel is right for you!